22:54, 18th Feb 2010
Ralle: Looks fine to me

 

Yeah, I loved playing your map.

The Heroes are awesome, I did not find any bugs ( until now ) .

5/5

 

This map is good,but DARK NARRU is HORRIBLE man.I hate him and i dont like that a lot of spell is summoning spells.Thats bad in AOS maps.

 

This is a slow and skill requiring map, is sort of oldschool and has a lot of unique heros, each one possessing well done spells.
I highly recommend to play this map, my vote will also be a 5/5 and a vote for approval.

 

Why do you think summonings are a bad thing?

 

U see Icefrog in his map swap summoning spells with some Other spells.U can have summoning spells but i tested 3 hereos and all of them have summoning(thrall,skeletal orc and dark naar).CHANGE NARRU MODEL OR DELETE HIM!!!

 

"Icefrog's map" is DotA. DotA is well known for insane nuking and imbalance, a very unfriendly community and imho has a very poor gameplay.
Summoning may be slower than permanent, stupid nuking, but it really seperates the DotA kids from skilled players. If you can handle more than one single unit/hero, you will love those summons and use them to serve your will.
Naaru may be an issue, but I'm sure there will be some players that like that high complexity.

 

Not every hero has summoning spells, you just happened to play 3 with summonings.
I think summoning spells dont fit DotA's gameplay, thats why icefrog deleted them. But the gameplay of crimson coast has much more room for summonings. they are very important, if you try to push a tower, as they can tank the tower for a short period of time.

out of all things you could hate about the naaru, i didnt think you would complain about the model. i think the model fits a naaru quiet nice, given the resources i had available.

 

The next hero I'm doing has a custom model.
And now stop the dota talk already, this is about Crimson Coast.

edit: response to a deleted post.

 

From other people's reviews, this seems to be a nice map. Gonna try it.
EDIT: Some heroes are too complex. The Dark Naaru, for example, cannot attack AND move. Some players can tolerate a hero without an attack. However, most cannot tolerate those without a movement ability. Even in WoW, a Naaru can move. However, other heroes are okay for me. 4/5 and Approval for now (If you change the Naaru's model, enable him to move and reducing the number of summoning skills, 5/5).

@MogulKahn: Stop typing with chatspeak english and caps. DotA is a good map, but not every Warcraft player likes AoS. DotA's greatest flaw is the "freak" part of the community. The "freak"s are usually unfriendly addicted. I hope you are not one of them.

 

Thx for your review!
I regret that most people dislike the Naaru so much, however some people still like to play him. Making the Naaru able to move would require a complete revamp. I rather add new heroes to the game instead of doing that, so that people who like to play the Naaru still can. All I can do is warn players, that this hero is not for the faint of heart.
The model: Is there a custom model of a Naaru out there? I would love to add it to replace the current one, then.
As for the summonings, I acknowledged that summonings spells are not wanted, and new heroes I will make won't have such spells.

 

Ask someone to made it. If nobody could, the last option is to use a WoW model of the Naaru (Yeah, the last resort if nobody could make that).

The summoning spell for the Naaru isn't that bad. However, instead of having 2 weak, short timed summons, it's better to have 1 strong summon with a long expiration timer.

Summoning spells is okay, however, having 2 of them in one hero, or having 1 of them in 2/5 number of heroes in each sides wasn't that okay. You can still add some heroes with summoning spells, however, have some time to create heroes without summoning spells before you ever think of creating a hero with summoning spell.

@MogulKahn:
STOP.
TYPING.
IN.
F-ING.
CHATSPEAK.
Please. For the sake of most people's brain.

Also, it's spelled Naaru, not Narru

 

In my opinion the Naaru is good as he is now.
It´s better to have two summons than one. You can always flee in two different directions or you choose to sacrifice one for a shield and to flee with the other.
The Naaru is maybe not the easiest hero to play(indeed one of the strongest if you can), but you dont have to play him if you dont like him it is as easy as that.

The good part of this map is that it is no so nuke-alike like dota. You dont die so fast here. There are many regeneration items which allows interesting line fights. The heros are well customized and the itemization is great too.

It´s a 5/5 for a great map. Sure better than dota. Dota is maybe the most played map but surely not the best out there. Most played does NOT mean that it is automatically the best available.

@MogulKahn: Stop trolling and using this i-am-11-year-old chatspeak

 

On the new version try making it a 6v6 instead of 4v4.

 

in my opinion, in this map everything above 3vs3 is a zerg, with 4vs4 being acceptable. in addition, the effort to change it to 6vs6 would be immense. every game mechanic is geared to 4vs4 maximum. the buff assignment system for example wont work anymore, leading to stacking issues with buffs.

the next version will include new models and skins, among others a nice Naaru model by ACdestinydream, bug fixes and an improvement to the hotkeys (was requested by some people).

the next version is finished when i get the fixed naaru model.

 

In our last game the NagaHero seemed to be a little unstoppable. With a good amount of Manareg he could spam his spells and push lines with almost no effort.
I would increase the manacost of his "siegespell" (~ 35-50), reduce the life of his waterelemental (~ 100-200) its almost like a tank! and increase the cooldown of it (~ 5-10sec). The rest seemed fine.
And what about a glyhe for save port? like 50%-70% reduced dmg during porting (~ 2-4sec longer port?) uninterruptable but the player cannot cancel it anymore.
Or a glyphe which reduce the porting time by 30%-50% or the cooldown of it by 30%-50% ?
And plz make heroes not targetable for the port

 

@MogulKhan: stop it right now, going off-topic is also against the rules (well, you're quite familiar with the rules, judging from your reputation).
Also, stop being a Dotard and do not compare a map to the most popular map in it's genre, rate it for what it is worth... (and DotA would be worth a 6.5 to 7/10).


@Vilation: thank you, each one of your 2 posts contained more (valuable) information than all of MogulKhan's posts combined (which isn't really much either, but still a lot more than you).


I've deleted all off-topic messages.

 

thanks, ap0calypse, it has gotten out of control.

----Version 3.20 has been released.----

I agree that the Naga is rather on the strong side, but your proposed nerfs are completely over-the-top. Reducing the elementals health sounds fine, though.

such a rune already exists, its the "Rune of the Explorer".

while it is maddening to be killed with a teleport on yourself by a noob, there are situations where teleporting on a hero is useful. I will change it so that the "victim" of the teleport has the option to forcefully cancel it.

 

Where's the Changelog? Also, i really want to see an allpick and an AI function. Well, both aren't really necessary (Especially Allpick) but would help.