Scars of War 1.0c

[Skar]

Thank you guys, it's nice to have such a support. It gives a lot of motivation to keep working and improving SoW. ^^

 

[3LF]

Okay, I do like this map... quite a lot, actually, but it has serious balance issues. A lot of heroes are on the weak side, though not disgustingly so - no, it's the top end that is scary. Shaman is absolutely ridiculous. Not only does Rank 2 Lightning + Fire instantly gib Galvanoth (or whatever his name was) along with absolutely anything else hit by it, but almost everything he does causes unbelievable graphical lag. I love Shaman and his concept, but at the minute he's just busted in all ways possible.

 

[jjenova]

Wow, have you seriously been working and editing this map for almost one year? If so, then you either have quite a lot of free-time, or have a massive amount of devotion. Either way, kudos on making a pretty interesting map. I'm fond of maps that are original, and this is one of the few I play quite often. Thanks for putting the time and effort into it.

 

[Skar]

Okay, I do like this map... quite a lot, actually, but it has serious balance issues. A lot of heroes are on the weak side, though not disgustingly so - no, it's the top end that is scary. Shaman is absolutely ridiculous. Not only does Rank 2 Lightning + Fire instantly gib Galvanoth (or whatever his name was) along with absolutely anything else hit by it, but almost everything he does causes unbelievable graphical lag. I love Shaman and his concept, but at the minute he's just busted in all ways possible.

Thanks for the feedback 3LF. It's look like I miscalculated the Fire + Lightning damage formula, I gonna check that. About the graphical lag, I would like to ask about the configuration of your computer, because in my old computer (that not even have a video board), the only spell that causes lag is the fire + lightning fusion, wich I will have to reduce the amount of effects.

If you don't mind, I would be glad if you make me a list of the OP heroes and the heroes on the weak side.

Wow, have you seriously been working and editing this map for almost one year? If so, then you either have quite a lot of free-time, or have a massive amount of devotion. Either way, kudos on making a pretty interesting map. I'm fond of maps that are original, and this is one of the few I play quite often. Thanks for putting the time and effort into it.

Thanks jjenova. At start I had a lot of free time, but now it's more for the devotion, but this 1 year is just the release time, I've working on this map for 3 years. ^^

 

[3LF]

Well, the computer is quite good, more than capable of playing newer games at higher settings - the person I was playing with commented as well. The fire+lightning fusion froze us up for pretty much the entire duration. The other case where the graphical lag became too much was using the earth+anything fusions at higher ranks, where the 5 rocks covered in fire/lightning/water make things slow to a crawl.

I'll play the map quite a bit more with a friend and try to get a complete list of heroes that are abnormally weak/strong. The only gross exception to balance I've seen was the Shaman though, the weaker heroes aren't massively so. The shaman's fire+lightning fusion, however, obliterated everything instantly.

 

[Skar]

Ok, I will be waiting for the list. Meanwhile I already fixed and balanced the Fire + Lightning fusion and I will see what I can do about Earth fusions. =)

 

[3LF]

DNA Manipulator: I kind of get what he's supposed to be, but he takes too long to switch between forms, and for too much mana, to justify the weakness of his spells. Ultimate Form and Sasquatch Form are the only ones that are worth using, the Satyr and Reaver forms don't have much of a purpose. I could see stunning in reaver and then using satyr to blinkstrike to them, then swapping to either ultimate or sasquatch if form reversion didn't have a cooldown and the shapeshift didn't have a delay. If you don't want him to be able to swap between all of his forms and cast all of his abilities very fast for high burst damage, maybe it'd make more sense to make all of them metamorphoses like Ultimate and making them more useful? I understand that the point of the cooldown, cost, and shapeshift cast time was to keep him from using all of them at once and make him pick the right one for the job, but they're all really subpar at the minute.

Templar Mage - He's fun to use and really not that badly off compared to a few other heroes, but he's far from powerful and the orbs feel like they should do something while they're out, instead of just picking them up and tossing them constantly.

Puppet Master - Okay, going back and looking at him again, he's a bit of a mess. His reanimated units don't do a whole lot and his swap isn't very strong - or it wouldn't be if it worked like the tooltip said. You can swap with *anything* but allies. Enemy heroes, enemy BUILDINGS... if he were just fixed so that his swap wasn't bugged though, he'd be competing with Manipulator for weakest hero. Just seems like maybe his aura should be better? I like all of his abilities, his reanimation just doesn't seem to help much. The inner demon is awesome though.

Shadow Ninja - The bonus agility should probably cap somewhere along the line.

Alchemist - Probably my favorite hero if shaman isn't, but he's very painful to play for the first 15 levels. All I can say is that it'd be great if his fire bombs did more damage, or allow him to hit himself with his buffs. I know he's more supportive, I just wish the earlier levels were a little less painful.

Death Knight - Didn't get a chance to look at this guy until recently... he's not as bad as shaman was, but his death coil is very long-range, easy to time, and does great healing/damage for its' cost. His ult is potentially insane, the summons hit like mack trucks and get great lifesteal at higher ranks.

Elune's Spectre - Well, this is more of a personal preference, but I always hate playing heroes in AoS maps which are useless all day and beasts at night. I respect that some people like this kind of hero though. If a hero is based on a day/night mechanic, it's more interesting to me if they change roles from day to night instead of becoming a wimp. Really just mentioning this as an afterthought, because it'd require a lot of work and a completely new ult...

 

[Skar]

DNA Manipulator: I kind of get what he's supposed to be, but he takes too long to switch between forms, and for too much mana, to justify the weakness of his spells. Ultimate Form and Sasquatch Form are the only ones that are worth using, the Satyr and Reaver forms don't have much of a purpose. I could see stunning in reaver and then using satyr to blinkstrike to them, then swapping to either ultimate or sasquatch if form reversion didn't have a cooldown and the shapeshift didn't have a delay. If you don't want him to be able to swap between all of his forms and cast all of his abilities very fast for high burst damage, maybe it'd make more sense to make all of them metamorphoses like Ultimate and making them more useful? I understand that the point of the cooldown, cost, and shapeshift cast time was to keep him from using all of them at once and make him pick the right one for the job, but they're all really subpar at the minute.

Ok, did you try playing against someone using the Revenant form? Try that before saying this form don't worth, I am sure you will chance your mind. I agree with you about the Satyr, I don't like him either and he is in my to do list.

The DNA was built to use only 2 forms per time, not all 4. That's why he can combo in pairs, like Sashquach + Satyr, Reaver + Sasquatch, etc.

Templar Mage - He's fun to use and really not that badly off compared to a few other heroes, but he's far from powerful and the orbs feel like they should do something while they're out, instead of just picking them up and tossing them constantly.

The orbs are meant to be just a visual effect, but if you think they should do something else, feel free to post ideas in my idea thread. =)

Puppet Master - Okay, going back and looking at him again, he's a bit of a mess. His reanimated units don't do a whole lot and his swap isn't very strong - or it wouldn't be if it worked like the tooltip said. You can swap with *anything* but allies. Enemy heroes, enemy BUILDINGS... if he were just fixed so that his swap wasn't bugged though, he'd be competing with Manipulator for weakest hero. Just seems like maybe his aura should be better? I like all of his abilities, his reanimation just doesn't seem to help much. The inner demon is awesome though.

Yeah, the Exchange of the Spirit wasn't supposed to target anything, somehow a trigger wasn't working correctly. Fixed. About its utility, the Puppet Master is fragile hero, he can't stand against other heroes and that's why he has 700 attack range and this spell.

Exchange of the Spirit is a "flee spell", just to take you out of combat, or in if you want, and has the additional bomb effect.

About the Reanimation, its a good spell to create push or to force the other team to retreat a little. Specially if you upgrade your waves, use summoning items and complete the Base Reapers achievement.

This hero is a trick one to use and requires more than just the hero itself.

Shadow Ninja - The bonus agility should probably cap somewhere along the line.

Maybe you are right here, but is not that easy to reach a high amount of agility, most of the time it happens the game is almost over.

Alchemist - Probably my favorite hero if shaman isn't, but he's very painful to play for the first 15 levels. All I can say is that it'd be great if his fire bombs did more damage, or allow him to hit himself with his buffs. I know he's more supportive, I just wish the earlier levels were a little less painful.

Ok, now you are saying that the only potions that worth are the Hallucinogen Compound, Mute Solution and Death Potion? He was meant to be strong only after level 6, but all the potion you gain at level 12 are strong. I already chance the position of Faerie Mixture and Blood Residuum, but I am pretty sure that the Punisher Composition and Sorrow Formula are very dangerous if you use it correctly.

Death Knight - Didn't get a chance to look at this guy until recently... he's not as bad as shaman was, but his death coil is very long-range, easy to time, and does great healing/damage for its' cost. His ult is potentially insane, the summons hit like mack trucks and get great lifesteal at higher ranks.

Easy to time in static targets, at long range you need lucky to hit another player, but even with the Death Coil, he can't do a lot since he is not a strong hero, and has low mana.

I will take a look in his ultimate.

Elune's Spectre - Well, this is more of a personal preference, but I always hate playing heroes in AoS maps which are useless all day and beasts at night. I respect that some people like this kind of hero though. If a hero is based on a day/night mechanic, it's more interesting to me if they change roles from day to night instead of becoming a wimp. Really just mentioning this as an afterthought, because it'd require a lot of work and a completely new ult...

Elunes Spirit is in my to do list too. I don't like her two first spells. Again, if you have any ideas, go to the SoW Idea Thread. =)


Anyway, thanks for such a feedback, I hope you can bring more. +rep

 

[3LF]

I did try him in revenant, it seemed weaker than sasquatch to me but maybe I was using him wrong. The problem I had was that his spells were short-range, didn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be his long range form...

I wasn't saying that his L12 potions aren't useful, only that on their own they aren't much of a threat, this was a 1v1 game so it'd probably be a lot more useful if I had another hero to support with them. The main thing was that the potion he starts with, which is his only *real* offense until 16, is much weaker than it really needs to be.

I'll throw some ideas out in that thread though. Thanks for reading.

 

[Skar]

Version 1.0b

New version full of balances and fixes, thanks to 3LF for most of them. Here is the changelog:

Changelog 1.0b

-Fixed the new multiboard text.

-Decreased the mana cost of Hand of Justice 80/90/100/120 to 70/80/90/90;
-Fixed the hotkey tooltip of Blink.

-Fast Growth now increases hit points regeneration by 1;
-Fixed a bug with item returning while evolving.

-Reduced the area of effect of Napalm Grenade from 200/250/300/350 to 200/200/200/200;
-Reduced the main damage of Napalm Grenade from 50/80/110/140 to 30/60/90/120 and the explosion damage from 25/35/45/55 to 20/30/40/50;
-Reduced the damage of Lightning Trap from 85/180/275/370 to 70/135/200/265;
-Reduced the damage reduction of Lighting Trap from 20% to 40% per jump;
-Reduced the area of activation of Lightning Trap from 200 to 175.

-Reduced the duration of Fire Trail from 10 seconds to 8 seconds;
-Reduced the range of Fire Trail from 800 to 600;
-Reduced the damage of Lightning Fury from 65/80/105/130 to 35/60/85/110;
-Reduced the percentage chance of Fire + Lightning fusion to release fire bursts from 2.5 + 1.5 per level to 1 per level;
-Reduced the visual effect lag of Fire + Lightning fusion;
-Reduced the damage of the fire bursts release by the Fire + Lightning fusion from 15 per level to 5 per level.

-He now starts the game with 1 Basic Mix;
-Fixed the hotkey tooltip of Aroeira Berries;
-Fixed the hotkey tooltip of Nasirus Roots;
-Reduced the mana cost of Basic Mix from 10 to 0;
-Changed the position of Faerie Mixture and Blood Residuum, meaning that now Faerie Mixture is aquired at level 6 and Blood Residuum at level 12.

-Changed the armor type of Ghouls and Zombies from unarmored to light, and their attack type from normal to pierce;
-Increased the attack speed of Ghouls from 1.0 to 1.2;
-Reduced the percentage of life steal from Cannibalize from 45/55/65 to 30/35/40.

-Exchange of the Spirit no longer targets anything;
-Reduced the cast range of Exchange of the Spirit from 100/1500/2000/2500 to 700/1000/1300/1600.

-Reduced the mana cost of Sasquash Champion Form, Satyr Shadowstalker Form and Revenant Hellcaster Form from 25 to 20.

-Power-Ups now disappear after 20 seconds.

 

[3LF]

Shaman is way less crazy now. Still potent, which is good, but the lightning+fire fusion went from being "what the f**k just hit me" to "standing on the bright red death trail hurts". Still experiencing some graphical lag when summoning rocks... and it gets very bad when using L4 rocks with any other elements. The person I play with is getting it as well. It seems to be largely due to the additional rocks though, at lower ranks it doesn't create problems. When you drop a firetrail, a storm, zap it, and then summon rocks... it gets to be out of control. So while he is imbalanced, he still creates graphical lag issues.

I played against Manipulator again, and even the little changes to his shifts helped him a lot.

Still need to try Alch and Death Knight again. Great changes though. Shaman is a lot of fun to play now, even if he can't quite go all-out yet without making the lag unmanageable.

 

[Maartz]

Hi.

Skar I´ve got to say that your map has really great potential and you seem to be updating it from time to time. I find it enjoyable to play with friends.

I won´t go into heroes because my main concern are your achievements. They tend to mess up constantly in each and every game, but the idea is good. Some achievements work just fine, the ones you get for reaching lvl X first etc. The hassle are the ones that make spawns stronger, because in each game I´ve played so far they can happen anywhere from 1 to 15 times or so for one team. Considering an average at 5 or so, the army gets way to strong for the "lucky" team and they win in no time after that.

I havn´t read all previous comments so I don´t know if this has been brought up before, but if im not mistaken the lower lane for the "good" side doesnt have any protective units(the 3 units that respawn after being killed next to towers) at their first tower, which is a great advantage for the "evil" team.

Good luck and keep going.

 

[blek121]

8/10. Nice work!

 

[Skar]

@3LF

I know that if you fuse all his spells it still lags, it's because I tryed to create some nice visual effects for him. About the Earth Shield fusions, I think the only way to remove its graphical lag is removing some visual effects.

@Maartz

Wich version did you play? I noticed the achievement bug in version 1.0 and tryed to fix it in this version.

About the outposts units you are right, somehow they are not respawing.

@blek121

Thanks dude. =)

 

[DragonSkyX]

Wow, Finally version 1.0 O /

The New hero is a Alchemist...Cool!

I Dont Have Time, but I Will Test new version of your map still this Year xD

Continue with Good Job O/

 

[Skar]

Version 1.0c

Another version to fixe some bugs. Sorry for releasing 3 versions in a row, but I simple could not let those things in my map.

Anyway, here is the changelog:

Changelog 1.0c

-Units from the first bottom outposts of Alliance now respawn correctly;
-The secondary bases now becomes vulnerable correctly. First the towers, then everything else except the center and the gold mine, then the center and at last the gold mine;
-Upgrades purchased on the enemy market will now count for them instead of your team.

-Decreased the damage of Leap Attack from 60/100/150/200 to 60/100/140/180.

 

[DragonSkyX]

Great, New version

Corrected most errors, Cool... But, What you decreased the Leap Attack of Barbarian ?

Anyway, Continue with Good job.

 

[Leak-]

Skar, are you still actively developing this map?

 

[Skar]

Great, New version

Corrected most errors, Cool... But, What you decreased the Leap Attack of Barbarian ?

Anyway, Continue with Good job.

Because it was too strong.

Skar, are you still actively developing this map?

Yes, why?

 

[MR.Tricky]

Very Good and Unique AoS
Entertaining and Fun
AoS With Unique heroes

 

[xFx]

mmm, very nice AOS.

perhaps needs to be a little lighter. there are some units on the map that are unnecessarily and create more weight when the map is running, or perhaps i need a Core i-3.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Man, this AoS has the most heroes I have EVER seen in an AoS XD (I don't play DotA). This map is very good, I found a couple spelling errors in the hero descriptions. I have to question the default abilities and also, I like that you have the auto-random. I hate it when u gotta pick hero and then timer runs out and thats it.

The Errors I found are:

Undead Tavern-Pit Lord-> I think the skill said Deonic Pressure, did you mean Demonic?

Human Tavern-Sorceress-> Is she supposed to not have an ultimate?

I found that many of th heroes had default abiities in green. Are they balanced for the non-default ability heroes?

This part isn't an error, just a question. The Arch Mage, Why is his ultimate Teleport, how would that help?

Ideas: 5/5 --> I am a big fan of AoS style maps, though i usually go for the more themed ones like Naruto or Bleach. But I do like this AoS it looks/sounds/IS great.

Description 4.9/5 --> The only part i didn't like was a loading screen description. I know many people don't read them, but those who do read them probably know more than those that don't, even if the ones that read are newbs.

Terrain 5/5 --> I am judgeing this one lightly because I didn't look through the terrain as heavily as the tavern heroes and some of the items. It looks good, the top and bottom lanes I like because they don't connect and fight at a curve. I'm more of a person that likes to fight on straight ground because it can help level the playing field a bit.

Game Play 5/5 --> This AoS is great, its a bit more in-depth than other AoS style maps, I look foward to future versions to play with other people.

Total: 6/5 --> Keep up the Awsum Werk!!!!

"the most awesome heroes" ? have you tried the heroes in my game War of Sanctity? i think you didn't
Anyway Scars of War is awesome, items and skills are well made and overall seems to be balanced, i give you 5/5! GOOD JOB!