Roguelike 2.6

[Demix]

Played this map like 15 times rly good map couldnt get far because friends always died at the very FIRST STAGE 0.0 bunch of idiots, it was fun anyways. So I decided to win by myself ,chose knight probably the best guy for solo maybe not but I prefer him ,got nice loot and I was about to go against puppeter in the 3rd stage,where there is a lot of golems ,elementals and stuff ,I remembered that when I got there las time he instakilled me ,even tho I had around 4K health so with the 8K gold I got whilst getting there(killed Greed twice[first gave me 1K gold ,Second Greed gave me 5K gold, nearly killed me too]) So I went to shopkeeper for some random tarot cards when I got two cards with somename like Sun that make me go invincible for 15 seconds ,so put one into my inventory went went off to kill him. Got there then I activated that invincibility ,yeat only 4 secs passed and he killed me... when I was supposed to be invincible....oh gosh and I had some incredibly good gear.

Long Story short
Puppet master killed me while I was invincible.Not fair.

 

[Vindeus]

Long Story short
Puppet master killed me while I was invincible.Not fair.

Yeah, the puppet master has a method of killing that doesn't do any damage; it's just an insta-kill. No amount of tankiness or invincibility will prevent it. You need to kill him quick, or keep killing those units that he spawns.

 

[ravewarheit]

I just won Lunatic solo with the Sinner.
Couldn't get a screen shot though. I wanted to type "=" to prove I wasn't cheating, but the victory dialogue box appeared too soon.

Sword of the Deep-Seated is godly in Lunatic. It gives +1 damage each time you kill a Horror, and a lot of Horrors spawn more when they die. Then I got Bonetooth Necklace. I was at 3000+ BASE damage when I finished the game. My total damage was probably at 30k. I killed almost everything in a single hit because of Mom's Knife.

Final inventory:
Mom's Knife
Sword of Deep-Seated
Mask of Mask the Saito
Dead Ringer
Jade of the Exiled (allowed me to beat those pesky disablers)
Bonetooth Necklace (permanent +100 damage after killing a boss)


Does Bonetooth Necklace / Sword of the Deep-Seated even work in the Cathedral?

 

[EdgeOfChaos]

You got both damage boosters, Ringer, and mom's knife? You should have had at least 8000, hitting into 150K+ with critical+greed then, assuming you didn't drop them before the cathedral. In every game I've played, Deep Seated and Bone Tooth worked in the cathedral, but I'm not sure if that got changed in the newest version. That's one of the most insane builds I've ever seen though, you're lucky to get even 1 of those god-tier items in an average game.

There is a pretty serious bug. You can spawn two sins at once, and then the old sin gets overwritten. If the sin is the first type, then the Super Sin never spawns. If the second one to spawn was Super Pride, then you get no lumber.

 

[ravewarheit]

I got the Parasite really early in the game, so my stats got extremely high. Gideon was laughable (he disappears and talks after one hit). That's probably one of the luckiest runs I've had in any roguelike game (I play lots of roguelikes). I had a run in Binding of Isaac Rebirth, and killed the true final boss in one hit. XD

Super Wrath never spawned in my game as well.
The Sin room in the Cathedral had Super Wrath, but it's invulnerable and doesn't move.

That's worth checking out. Not game-breaking, but not getting the double banners was a bit annoying.

 

[Inconnou]

in 2.11 I had 20k dmg on my spellblade at puppeteer xD just saying

 

[31337]

This bugs me a bit:
When dueling the twin dragon killing one of them counts as a boss kill and the other one (some how) counts as a creep and spawn sin :/ but you are forced to teleport back to the starting position right after and that sin is nowhere to be found.

More detail: I kill the blue dragon first and then the red dragon, don't know if this happens in reverse or not.

I just won Lunatic solo with the Sinner.

Solo with Sinner?! Grat, you are either very patient/a full blown masochist or just have lots of luck. (I've only ever seen another person on par with you, soloing with huntress)

I got the Parasite really early in the game, so my stats got extremely high.

Maximum level (without giraffy) is around 280 (FIXED, not 180), with Virus and Parasite that's easily 1000 agi and 500 str/int (FIXED) not that much tbh compare to what bonetooth/deepseated/faith provides (around 50 bosses in the cathedral and 3 in each region) but It's so dangerous to pick up parasite that most of the time I don't think it's worth except if you have a strong sustain (Mask of the Saitou in this case), especially in the sin room, killing a few already reduce your health by too much.

P.S. Completing the flag does little for the Sinner your items are pretty good already imo since he doesn't have evasion or good spell it's pretty hard to deal with Sloth (when fighting Gidion or in the sin room), attack speed is redundant.

in 2.11 I had 20k dmg on my spellblade at puppeteer xD just saying

20k base damage? ∑(O_O；) How?
If not base damage then It's pretty tame since it's spell blade and she has the best damage buff (still, she has a pretty bad base attack time)

 

[Niro-]

This bugs me a bit:
When dueling the twin dragon killing one of them counts as a boss kill and the other one (some how) counts as a creep and spawn sin :/ but you are forced to teleport back to the starting position right after and that sin is nowhere to be found.

More detail: I kill the blue dragon first and then the red dragon, don't know if this happens in reverse or not.

This bug isn't happen because you killing them, there is something wrong in this area and their attacks, if you played ghoul there, you would see your int grows everytime they attack, so it's more like someone's dying (some dummies or idk). In Cathedral they works fine.
Also about other bugs, when you're clicking in Cathedral's Frost King area opened (paladin with 2 guards), your hero start running backward. Soldier's mana isn't full from start. About sins spawning one after other, you don't get lumber if you killed pride (no matter 1 or 2) and it spawns another, or if pride spawned along with some other sin (I'm not sure, but isn't that bug when 2 sins spawns in same location at the same time, when you killed some group of mobs ?).
Some events like flames on fire area or loggers can happen while you're on 1st area, especially it's hurt when loggers stealing a lot of exp/not giving gold, and in the last version flames sometimes goes to first area from fire area, you really almost can't survive then at this period.
You can be tped to the next area even there is no teleporter yet.

Maximum level (without giraffy) is around 180

I've got lvl 270+-10 on 2 players w\o giraffy after chaos, solo would be higher, you have some problems or difficulty isn't lunatic, or you doesn't visit Cathedral

 

[31337]

I've got lvl 270+-10 on 2 players w\o giraffy after chaos, solo would be higher, you have some problems or difficulty isn't lunatic, or you doesn't visit Cathedral

Woops... My bad, haven't played recently... Sorry (Blame school, exams, work and sleep)
I just remember being around 180 near the end of the game (since the Cathedral part is so short but gives so much exp especially the sin room also because changes in your stats and spells near end game seem weaker then in earlier stages... So I just pay less attention to them).
It's corrected now and I updated the stats too.
Still my point in the main post remained unchanged. (even if you are going solo it'd not double your level, and even then doubling your level is still not a huge deal - loosely stated)
BTW, isn't it still around that much even if it's not lunatic? I've been playing since before difficulty selection was a thing and I faintly remember it still being the same.

Some events like flames on fire area or loggers can happen while you're on 1st area, especially it's hurt when loggers stealing a lot of exp/not giving gold, and in the last version flames sometimes goes to first area from fire area, you really almost can't survive then at this period.

That happened to me once on my first clear ever back in 2.11 (albeit not the true ending because I didn't know how to get it and it took me a really long time to know where the first special boss is - I blame no ping or any form of pinpoint location whatsoever). I didn't get the flame storm thing in the flame area and suddenly it happens in the one before the cathedral.
------Irrelevant
Luckily (and I still remember it, was pretty sensational tbh) I picked up Faith (as Rogue) and survived it. my Magus got the item that summons wolf, deer and rhino (lizard?) and let them tank. The other are pretty tanky (Guard and Soldier). Since it was my first clear every one was inexperience and scattered (we didn't line up and let the tanks take the hit). Felt like playing touhou in warcraft 3 I was pretty nervous and get hit left and right. At the end I was left with around 200 hp. Good times.

P.S. On the subject of the twin dragon. What are their special power? Or is having two bosses a "special" power?... That seems weak compared to the first one (potentially unkillable or not killed fast enough), the second one - Tiki or Aluane or something (not killed fast enough, not before she friggin 360 no scope your squishy from a monitor away) and the third one puppet master half top skelton guy (insta-kill party and annoying when solo) even normal bosses is harder (For example Friggin Harpy SO MANY TIME, Kil'jaeden for his ridiculous magic damage and range to just change aggro when a tank cast spell or move)

 

[Niro-]

P.S. On the subject of the twin dragon. What are their special power? Or is having two bosses a "special" power?...

Their special power is about where you standing and who of them attacking you, and thats bugged as I told earlier. I suppose they must do additional damage depend on which ground you stay (fire dragon deals more if you stay on fire ground, frost dragon deals more on frost ground), but I'm not sure

 

[The_Silent]

I see someone were very inspired by The Binding of Isaac

 

[Niro-]

Also want to notice that many dmg\as buffs doesn't stack with each other (like ritualist dmg and all dmg buffs, all attack speed buffs doesnt stack, etc), it really hurts pristess and ritualist with heroes with their own stronger buffs

 

[Swan]

Also want to notice that many dmg\as buffs doesn't stack with each other (like ritualist dmg and all dmg buffs, all attack speed buffs doesnt stack, etc), it really hurts pristess and ritualist with heroes with their own stronger buffs

Ritualist shouldn't waste mana on that garbage, her armour shredding is much more effective most of the time.

 

[Niro-]

Just got fatal error after picking up soul calibur after killing first boss (tuskar) with my huntress, rogue and shaman. Also defence ability of assassin is bugged, after using it one time I've never taked damage from any source , just sometimes (very rarely, first instans of damage from a unit or when I'm full hp), maybe jade is involved. In same game Faith doesn't given stats for bosses, only from last location, and you don't get anything (exp or gold from loggers) for assassinated mobs, also zombies doesn't give exp in last location.
Here is replay if you need it
Also pristess's inspire last much less than it has to be
And boss named Larry Sr. can spawn his units on next location and respawn there, and you have to rmk everytime he did it
Your illusions doesn't take bonus damage from sword that gives you damage for horrors and bosses, also moonlight sonata of huntress makes this damage disappear forever
"The Tower" card does damage ally units

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

In a 5 team, we all got fatal error, Wc3 crashed to Desktop. I've attached the crash log report file so that it can help you solve the issue.

Map crashed when the Envy sin kept attacking me due to taunt, I was the Guardian, and she drained my mana with each attack (something I actually didn't know she did). When I was left on 20 mana, her next attack crashed the game. Not sure does it actually make any sense for her draining mana, but it's the only thing that we figured that has happened at the time, so it's gotta be something about that.

On a side note:
"Unsticker" should be "Unstuck Dummy" or "Unstucker" when it says in a game message that you can't move it more than 600 range away from an allied unit

 

[Swan]

That last version killed this game, Magus and Alchemist were too op. Greed mode super unbalanced.

 

[Swan]

You should release an unprotected version if you're done updating. My friends and I are actually still playing this a ton.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Same here. Countless hours of fun.

That, or find a trusted person to continue developing the map in your absence.

 

[Inconnou]

Guys, download the game "pixel dungeon" or "shatteredp ixel dungeon" on your computer, it's a roguelike and it's really awesome (and free).

 

[DeathdruidX]

Just making a quick post here to prove I'm not dead. Still working on the map. Work's been hectic as of late, but you don't wanna hear excuses. Y'all want answers.
First off, production's still coming. There should be a new version in the next couple days, featuring a fair amount of hero reworks of lesser played and impossible to balance heroes.
The Archer, Dragon Knight, Overlord, and Spellblade have received partial reworks. The Ghoul, Shinobi, Slayer, and Psychic have received major reworks that still stay mostly to their original character concepts.
The other two planned are the Sinner and Huntress who are going to be totally rehashed. Neither can exist in a healthy state, so they're being changed. Probably not this patch, seeing as how it'll be a complete change to both from the ground up.
Anyway, keep an eye out. I'm going to be doing some testing of the new stuff tomorrow around 4, 5ish PM EST on US East. If anyone has interest in coming along, feel free to let me know/and or just message me on Bnet. Same username there as I have here.
Cheers.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Sign me right the fuck up

Which GMT is that? +1?

 

[DeathdruidX]

Sign me right the fuck up

Which GMT is that? +1?

GMT -4, apparently. Had to look it up. It's 11:00 AM as I write this, if that gives any real indication.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Oh, well other time then I guess, I've some things to do at 10 PM. I'm five hours ahead of you.

 

[DeathdruidX]

As promised in the changelog, here's some of my thoughts on the reworks and what's to come/why it's coming.

Partial Reworks

Archer - The Archer is now less of a "weaker but ranged" Rogue and now has a more unique identity as an aggresive ranged support. She brings both single target damage and AoE, but needs to specialize to be truly effective.
Dragon Lord - Maintained theme as sustain tank, but much more interesting to play as well as more powerful. Hunger for mana remains a main weakness.
Ghoul - The Ghoul always suffered from a weird sort of gameplay which was more or less "wait for lategame, mash Dark Pact, right click and solo everything." Its new gameplay involves a system forcing the player to make more careful decisions about when to use buffs, lest they suffer from extreme hunger.
Overlord - Better plays into the one shotting badass he was meant to be. He shouldn't feel as fragile as he did, either. He's going to live up to his title now.
Psychic - The Psychic lacked an identity but should have one as a tanky-ish defensive support. We'll see how it plays out, he may need further kit changes.
Spellblade - The Spellblade has had some abilities changed, but remains mostly the same. Some of her useless abilities have been replaced with new ones that should suck significantly less. Hopefully this bridges the gap between garbage tier and acceptable.

Major Reworks

Shinobi - Rework. While the Shinobi's style of an elusive caster-carry is staying, everything else about them is different. Be prepared to show off your unrivaled microskills.
Slayer - Rework. The Slayer's character has been reworked from a subpar waveclearing hero to a hero that covers a variety of roles, but isn't the best at any. No worries, though. He can still sweep away large groups with ease...if they pile up.

Thoughts on upcoming reworks

Sinner - The Sinner was always meant to be a difficult but powerful hero. He fufills the second part of that, but his difficulty mostly comes from needing allies to carry his dead weight through the first area. Post pride, though, and he carries them through the rest of the game. The (current plans) for new Sinner are to make him an Int hero similar to the Magus, the kind that cannot directly attack. He's going to be a summoner that uses the Sins themselves to fight...That's the plan, anyway. Will it pan out? Maybe, maybe not. But if he's going to become an Int hero, that leads to...
Huntress - Skip to the bottom for a tl;dr if you don't want a little history lesson about our favorite and least favorite little Int hero. Originally, her 4th skill was Selemene's Blessing, an ability that traded mana for permanent damage. Her core gameplay was to hog mana runes and int items so she could accrue massive damage by the game's end. Turns out that this was both boring to play as and with. Funnily enough, that's how the Alchemist and Ghoul have been. Well, how the Ghoul used to be. I never said I was good at this shit, y'know?
Anyway, her 4th skill became a Phoenix Fire-esque ability, but there were complications with it as well as it not being very good. Hence Seeker Glaives, the boring but effective spell she currently has. The rest of her kit has gone through changes too. I'll cut some of the details, but she was effectively a hybrid caster for the longest time but now is a bastardized aoe debuffing buffing amalgamate.
The current plan of action is to make her into an agility carry. Her innate bounces and Moonlight Sonata will likely stay. As for everything else, probably not. I have more of a plan for the Sinner than her, that's for sure.

tl;dr - She was Int for real reasons during the original (like 0.2 - 0.6) run of the game, but changes in the game, herself, and other heroes have made it strange. She's going to become agility with different abilities.

My other comment is that many of the bosses feel like stat checks. While that's a challenge in its own right, there's often little strategy but just mashing their faces down...lategame especially!
Don't panic, there won't be immediate changes or drastic ones. Most likely what I'm going to be doing is rehashing bosses, kind of like the above reworks. Examples of bosses that really need it are Eve and Stellar.

What's in the future? Truth be told, I'm not sure. In any case, enjoy the map. I'm currently hoping for no gamebreaking bugs or oversights...but we'll see! As always, thanks for the support, and all that zazz.

 

[arefd]

what is user name and password?

 

[UchihaBeast]

Hey guys, I'm testing the ghoul, why do its skills sometimes cost half of its health and sometimes not?
Is it because of the hunger of is it just rng?

 

[Roosie]

Hi, I play a lot of Roguelike and it's safe to say that this game is solid! Valiant effort, DeathDruidx.

I did play some overlord and I think it's a tad too strong. His heal basically has no cooldown and he cannot die. In addition, he does TONS of damage. Is this suppose to be intended?

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Using mirror image or abilities like that as map is teleporting your hero will glitch you to stay stuck in the boss arena, maybe add an extra waygate in each arena to escape?

 

[FieryPh0enix]

Hey. Are you updating this anymore? This is my favorite map and it's been some time since there were any updates from you regarding this map.

 

[Sirmarkis29]

update this map ! this map is so awesomee oh my god !! plz can come back ! ;-; i
i rating this 5/5 like all my ratings just for can give more ;-;

 

[DeathdruidX]

Hey all. I didn't forget this game, nor did I want to stop working on it at any point...but sadly, life's been getting in the way. I feel like the small bits of work I've done on the map in the past months are likely leading to a public release of 2.3, and I appreciate any and all patience you've had (or not had) in the time leading up to it.
For any fans of the game, I'd like to offer a survey to kind of get an idea of what the community is looking for in the game. A link to that can be found here.
If you're willing to take the time, I also have a slightly longer general survey over the heroes here.

 

[man2ok]

game crash while loading...

 

[Swan]

So three things Death Druid:
1)Still love your map, its a lot of fun.
2)Mycaruba's movement is broken, he no longer patrols around the fire area which is pretty sad, that was an interesting aspect of the boss.
3)Spellblade is fucking obscenely broken, one shot every boss from start to end, including Gideon, broken.

If you'd like some suggestions or help balancing the map my friends and I are definitely interested. We aren't concerned with every hero having the same power level, just there not being heroes that can carry the entire game on their back and snap it in half.

Edit: Don't mind the banter please, we're just kidding around in the text chat.

 

[DotsTheHero]

The new boss rush is a really nice touch. Really interesting and difficult, especially when you have multiple complicated bosses coming out at once.

Ritualist is still low key one of the most powerful characters in the entire game due to her ability to shred 300 armor off a single unit, which later into the game (Read: Anywhere beyond the forest) basically means every enemy unit in the game is getting killed in 2-3 hits by your carry. Armor shredding is a cool mechanic and all, but her's is way too powerful. The way your bosses scale armor in this game, it's resulting in some of the bosses taking damage several orders of magnitude larger than normal. We're talking numbers like x10, to as high as x30 more damage from this one spell. It seems to me like the only reason it's not really abused all that often is because of its weird scaling (5th rank shreds 25, 10th rank shreds 190), and people in general underestimating the value of armor shredding in these "Units with unfathomably huge stats duking it out" style maps.

Edit: Was also in the Swan replay. You'd have to squint while watching it though to see instances of the Ritualist being OP. There's a few parts where I help a boss get taken down a lot sooner (Particularly in both of our encounters with Mad Jack) but she's otherwise pretty safely hidden in the massive shadow being cast by the Spellblade.

We're also pretty abrasive in the replay about the game, but try not to take that personally or anything. Just consider that our very unique way of showing our enthusiasm for the game. Seriously, we've all spent a ridiculous amount of time playing Roguelike.

 

[DeathdruidX]

Oh, I'm not going to be offended by any of that.
2.31 is almost finished, I was going to be putting some finishing touches on the map tonight/tomorrow. Ritualist and Spellblade got pretty big nerfs, so did the pizza (which has been on the shitlist for a while). I do know that Mike's broken and am working on a fix for that too. Glad to see people are still playing that have been playing since old pizza. I hope to keep you and other fans of the game playing.

 

[Swan]

That's great to hear, I look forward to 2.31!

 

[Kamael]

waiting for 2.31 <3

 

[DeathdruidX]

My mistake, thought I had uploaded it. It's up now.

 

[Kamael]

Bug 2.31
- Sinner: Gluttony skill gain str without runes, can stack unlimited.
- Use judgement ( or envy skill, i am not sure) will keep str from gluttony skill ( do not have duration) .

 

[megafuglol]

Spirit Mausoleum is still pretty ridiculous, shredding 110 armor at its max level. In fire hell, Cerberus only had something like ~50 armor, which is more than enough time for the Ritualist to max out her ability.

Like the new version though mostly. I think my biggest disappointment with it however is the removal of endings for each character. I thought they were a fun reward that really fleshed out the game as a whole. If you're going to remove those, might as well toss everything you have written in the quests and lore books in the hero upgrade area. I understand your reasoning was getting rid of the endings was so you could add more areas, but...
1. you've already greatly shrunk the size of the boss rush area in the citadel, giving you some room to work with there
2. fire and ice hell are both ridiculous in size, and could easily do with a reduction.

 

[Swan]

So we've been playing a lot of this new version and we are really happy with the changes you've made. Though we've found some more issues after a few days of what we call "Shit Mountain Runs". Turns out Ghoul is busted, Mgaus is probably a little too strong and Sinner is asleep at the wheel tier. Also the gold damage on Sinner and the damage return on Gaster blaster are both broken.

I'd suggest making the ghoul's passive less debilitating, and massively reducing his stat gain ability. I'd also suggest reducing the Sinner's stat gain from eating items to literally one half its current value, or less. Anyways, thanks again for the new version. Its a lot of fun.

Also we did a video of what we called Meat Mountain (plus the shinobi who died in the first floor)

 

[Menyete]

i guess i would call this a bug we were doing an ultra greed run we almost finished it but then when we reached the final boss (the shopkeeper) he was invulnerable and well he didnt do anything i was the knight and my friend was the assassin and here's the picture

 

[EdgeOfChaos]

I really like the new Sinner, even though he is much too OP. By the end of the game, I had enough Str to immediately end the final boss's phases (and bring him from 40% to 0 HP for that phase). Also he actually has a pretty powerful early game too. Here's a solo from a Sinner.

Hidden

also you can refresh gluttony on runes you already used, LUL

My stats also attached.. yep thats 500,000 STR.

 

[megafuglol]

Roguelike Bugs / Imbalance

We worked on this for a little bit before we got bored, but it was a list of changes / fixed we were hoping for the next version. Theres obviously a lot more, but we remain interested in this game and have probably beaten it hundreds of times by now.

 

[Swan]

Do you think you could publish an open source Roguelike and do like a community update, just incorporate bits from all the best community modifications?

 

[shadow_dance]

The map is nice and all, but when I played with my friends, it crashed the game everytime we fought a Sin or boss (we got passed a few before it crashed). We have a Spellblade in our team, is there something wrong with the character or the script? Btw, we used wvs 1.26a

 

[DeathdruidX]

Roguelike Bugs / Imbalance

We worked on this for a little bit before we got bored, but it was a list of changes / fixed we were hoping for the next version. Theres obviously a lot more, but we remain interested in this game and have probably beaten it hundreds of times by now.

Here you go, champ.
New version's up, boys. Not a huge update, but this addresses a lot of what you needed. Sorry I haven't been more active, life's been a b lately.

With love,
your Drud

 

[megafuglol]

THX death druid for the update we're all busy playing drunkcraft 3 for dots's birthday but we'll p[lay this shit later

 

[Swan]

The absolute madman, you are a legend Deathdruid.

 

[megafuglol]

spellblade still oneshots everything

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH