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questioning the need for 'substandard' model status

Discussion in 'Site Discussion' started by Misha, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Misha

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    I have always been for quality, and will probably continue to create quality stuff, i'm just against having a scratch-made model, with all required animations, just placed out of people's view just because its a little too simple.
    perhaps a simple rename of the section to 'useful' would be neater? along with a little different description of the status, that does not force an assumption that every model is flawed or not working..?
     
  2. Scias

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    To me it doesn't sound like a issue with the structure of the website at all, but just a issue with moderation..
    A example of a simple model like you explained that was Approved and not set to substandard: Simple Sword
    It even says "Simple" in the name, and that's how I found it.. Searched for simple in models section..
     
  3. stein123

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    X'D that was before the bundle option was implemented :c, the knife, and the simple club, were meant as attachments for -Supa's goblin model :p
     
  4. deepstrasz

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    Well, sadly, icons from other Blizzard games are approved and the effort on them is not even as much as those simple geomerges.
    What's not working should be in Awaiting Update or Rejected anyway, don't you agree?
    Sure... but most weapons are pretty much simple compared to whole body models (which also might include a weapon or more).
     
  5. Scias

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    You can find models just like it that are substandard, here's a example: VileBlade
    Somehow this one isn't gonna be useful and there wasn't enough effort for it while the other one is.. I see why because of @stein123's reply, but can't all of these be used as attachments for the Goblin?
     
  6. Misha

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    well i have just a few things that i don't like about substandard section;

    its name, the status description, the way it shows as something vague instead of another thumbs up, and the way it doesn't auto-appear while browsing resources

    so.. here are my suggestions @Ralle

    section name: 'Useful'
    description: 'This model might not be to hive's standards, but its working and useful.' (do expand it if it needs more)
    used icon: (for both user resource page and status) a lightly greener or more orange thumbs-up.
    browse and search: well.. i don't know how auto-including the useful section needs to work, but having a checkbox to untick to exclude the useful section would be cool.. Ouo

    Is any of this possible?
     
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    I agree with Misha. The word 'substandard' may be misleading in some cases. The descriptions says: 'This bundle is marked as substandard. It may contain bugs, not perform optimally or otherwise be in violation of the submission rules.'.
    But there is no way to distinguish a model that is too simple and a model that is half-broken. In my opinion, the term 'substandard' should apply to models that are not original enough, too simple, while bugged models should be labelled as 'Awaiting update'. In that case, it would be nice no have those substandard bundles displayed when browsing resources (with a checkbox to deactivate that feature, to give users the option - I know it's already possible, but one must use the advanced search page).
    That way, browsing resources would be easier and users wouldn't miss useful however low quality models, as long as the distinction is still clear.
     
  8. Ralle

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    But useful overlaps with approved. And stuff can be substandard without being useable.
     
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    This is precisely the point. Useful and useless stuff may be found in substandard category, which is confusing. There should be a clear distinction between usable substandard resources and broken substandard resources, imho. :)
     
  10. Misha

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    shouldn't broken stuff go back to the 'needs fix' section anyway?
     
  11. Scias

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    I think a solution to the problem of borderline approvable resources and rewarding the artists for quality work would be by adding Featured tag and possibly spotlight for such creations.

    Like mentioned previously by Chaosy, there are some gems in substandard section that are currently "hidden" from modders, which should instead be proudly presented by the website like all the rest since they are both creative and useful creations. Some scratch made models that are good quality but just too simple (ie. attachments) do deserve to be displayed since they can be useful for certain modders.

    Also like deepstrasz mentioned blizzard icons from other games being approved while simple geomerges aren't, I think some of the simple geomerges even though can be whipped out quickly can be really useful and creative as can be seen in most Ujimasa Hojo's work, and I don't think it's a good idea to have them hidden in substandard since just by looking at the amount of downloads they have you can tell how useful they are as resources.
    Besides simple geomerges are the most fitting resources when you're looking to create a blizz-like map and trying to follow the exact style of the original game (which to me seems like a goal of a lot of modders) in this case seeking the most useful resources this website has to offer for their projects would somehow be in the substandard section..

    I would add Featured tag and spotlight for featured models to reward the artists quality work and give them something to aim for better than just approval, featuring their works would be a nice way to give exposure to talented artists and their creations. This would also separate the top notch quality work and simple geomerges or simply made scratch models while having both approved as useful resources.

    Here's a mockup of the idea I have in mind:
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  12. Misha

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    hm.. now you make me conflicted.. I want a permanent change to the 'substandard' section and its properties, in a way that Ralle doesn't have to mess with the issue for too long.. but on the other side.. a return of featured models? maybe even director's cut?