Northrend Bound v1.85

[thedude97]

Love your map. I just dont find the last treasure.
I tracked the treasure maps till MapX, which says the treasure is in the pirates den and the x marks the spot but i havent found any x even if i went there with a torch. I also dug everything up. Any idea what i am doing wrong?

Ps: i assumed the pirates den was the dungeon where the Admiral spawns

 

[Wark]

Yup, the pirate's den is where the "X" treasure be.
If you're still having problems:

Spoiler

It's in the water in the last room. You'll find an "x" there.

For those wondering if I plan to update the map,
I've mostly been playing Skyrim over the past few months, but have been making a list of bug reports.
I plan to release a new version before Christmas this year, and possibly with another "treasure hunt."

 

[PartumCreed]

This is my all-time favorite Warcraft III map.

 

[konradt]

Great map, superior to Founders in every technical way . It may feel weird that you have orcs and elves and undead, which dilutes the medieval atmosphere of FotN, but this is the only negative for me.

Some problems I found:
1. map is explored from the beginning - i can see the dungeons :/
2. Some models (elves have human blacksmith) are weird
3. Zeppelins are way too useful for their price. It's like 30 sec teleport. Throws things off.
2. when the dog (dog whistle) has picked up some items and gets resummoned, the items disappear and the new dog's inventory is empty.

But, on the whole, it is 10/10

 

[Wark]

I've been trying to figure out how to black out the dungeons for some time while still revealing the whole map.
I never found a good solution for that.
However, I do agree Zeppelins could use a price increase to make them more comparable to the requirements for mages and teleport scrolls.

Dogs losing their inventory is surprising. If that's the case, there's something wrong there. I'll check it out.

EDIT:
Next update is out, will post the changelog tomorrow.
Major update, added the Naga race with various other item and terrain changes.
Fixed reported bugs. Happy New Year!

 

[Railto]

Wark what wc3 version is this map compatible with?

 

[Wark]

Ever since the changes, the updates to battle.net's platform, and the announcement of Warcraft: Reforged, this map will now always use the latest version of WC3.
I plan to take it all the way into Reforged.

 

[konradt]

So, I tried bandit gameplay and it's great fun, but I have some remarks:

1. I started building a base without enough resources to build the Thieves Hall (shop building) and I was stuck for 15 minutes because I couldn't otherwise make money through NPC towns. After choosing bandit path, they stop trading with me.

2. After conquering a city, the endless spawn of guards and civilians quickly becomes redundant. The worst third world dictatorship cannot compare to life in my settlements . But really, it's silly.




3. When hiring a shipwright or a Tinker hero I had to make a quick exfil with a zeppelin, not sure if that's how it is intended. Otherwise he won't leave the town alive.


In GENERAL:
4. In pub games people almost never declare wars on each other. Too risky, I guess, because acting as a conqueror turns you into a lightning rod. If you intend to encourage more conflicts, you may allow stronger defenses, or some kind of early game security, or impose a cost on maintaining large armies.

5. It seems that mistakes early on are more painful than mistakes after you have a base. I once died on my way back to town with a backpack full of pelts, and I fell far behind. This could be discouraging to newbies.

6. Demons at the demon gate just sit there and do nothing.

7. Give more calamities, zombies are great!

Good luck with the next version

 

[konradt]

By the way, what is Clan WTG? I googled it and nothing comes up

 

[Wark]

Clan WTG's just the online community I am a part of.

 

[Ardenaso]

Haven't played in a long time (still saving for reforged) but will you make a "bandit neutral" that controls the spawning patrols/guards whenever a bandit controls a town/city?

Also, will you also make a "deluxe" version that has more than 8 mb? Well nothing much would be different other than custom models/skins

 

[Anomolous Intent]

Hi, I've been playing this a lot lately in single player mode and absolutely love. I've also been scanning this forum for comments regarding the frequent late-game crashes.

With the regard to the AI being the most likely cause:

Is it a pathfinding issue? You have quite narrow paths in some areas and travel time between bases is quite long, are the AIs consuming too many resources trying to plot a path? I know I've frequently found AI squads sat doing nothing in random areas, seemingly and it appears that some of their members have become stuck whilst trying to regroup.
Would it be worth while reducing the population cap for the AI and giving them a boost in some other way to compensate? Perhaps a set of levelling 'not-self' auras on the hero to boost their 'now reduced' squad sizes? I'm thinking 2% attack damage/armour per hero level. It would simulate the way that bandits often rally around a powerful ,charismatic leader and often become significantly weaker once that leader is taken from them.

Could it also be a target priority issue? AI squads in your map spend a lot more time wandering than AIs in melee maps. Is the AI repeatedly updating its target list and thereby constantly changing where its sending its units (thereby flooding the RAM with pathfinding requests).

At any rate, it could be interesting to face smaller, tougher bandit squads (as much as love my huge army battles).

Just some thoughts I've had regarding the issue, since you've said that you will be continually updating this project.

Edit: So I've just had a series of crashes with no AIs present. All memory error related. I'd been running around with just my hero and a couple of thugs for a while (4 hours) and had just decided to start building a base and forces.

Edit 2: I've just had a series of crashes playing through the guild hall route. Everything was fine while I was just fishing/farming/mining/cooking/alchemy, but when I started questing, everything bugged out. Is there an issue with the radiant system?

I'm also starting to think that it might be related to the ranking system. Once bigger battles start, there are more ranked units dying and being trained. Are there too many for the map to handle?

 

[Wark]

You know, it has come to a point of balancing things out.
As for the demons not attacking anything though, I can't seem to replicate that bug for some reason...
As for the random crash, can you tell me what exactly was happening at the time?
And, where there any zombie hordes on the map at any point?

Anyways, after discussing it with others, the next update may include:

• A "no flying unit" game mode. I know flying units can be an issue sometimes, so that can be an option.
• I also may change bandits to be unable to take over towns. To compensate, I'll try to make the "Spy" units more effective/enticing to use, and bandits can "decap" towns from other players.
• The hero techtree is kind of underpowered. To balance it out with changes to bandit mechanics, I may just make racial techtrees a little more expensive so they can't build up as fast (like, more expensive structures, upgrades, and/or units).
• In addition, to make boss fights less of a unit spam, I'll change damage types of bosses to do more damage to units and less damage to Heroes.

What do you guys think?

 

[Anomolous Intent]

I wanted to check whether the ranking system was at fault and, not being a particularly prolific coder, I simply went through your map and removed any triggers/abilities/buffs/variables that referenced ranks to see how long I could run the game for before it crashed.

It just crashed, so, unless I've missed some part of the ranking system when I went through cutting it, its not the ranking system. So I think I'm going to redownload 1.85 to restore ranking.

My crash happened several in game days after the bloodmoon event. There were hordes of zombies all over the map that couldn't be cleared by myself, the AIs or the patrolling soldiers. I didn't have a chance to use 'iseedeadpeople' to check how many zombies there were, but given how many I could already see, I assume it was a lot.

I was playing a Guildhall playthrough and had built a vault shortly before triggering bloodmoon.

I had 7 AIs, 2 had been defeated, 1 by another AI and 1 by a zombie swarm.

I don't know if it makes any difference, but my base was on the island SW of the mainland. I've been using this base a lot recently, could the AI be trying and failing to path there?

Edit: Just made it through Bloodmoon without crashing. Though I did, quite significantly, buff the 'Sunlight' aura to kill off all the Zombies after the night.

 

[Wark]

Ah. You were on an island with bandit AI.
Was that for the previous map as well? Yes, there is no pathing through the water for the bandit AI.

 

[Jared]

Anyone know where the murloc effigies are located I just found the Naga temple so where are the murloc's found?????

 

[Graflar]

Anyone know where the murloc effigies are located I just found the Naga temple so where are the murloc's found?????

You have a chance to fish up murlocs with a fishing rod. They drop the effigies.

Edit: Make sure you have the quest first otherwise they wont drop them.

 

[Jared]

Oh now I feel dumb

 

[Jared]

Thanks for the help!

 

[Akamos]

Checking back after months, the progress is staggering great job! I saw a new event as a demon invasion in the changelog, how do I start it and what does it do?

Alright I found how to start it, however the demons seem to stay where they are. When should we expect a fix for this?

 

[cleavinghammer]

Huh, this fell off my alerts. Dunno if this has been addressed since 1.68, but some events overlap with each other: bandits and pirate skeletons will accumulate in the same locations if their events happen, but the minotaur/spider doesn't spawn if the spider/minotaur is already there and hasn't been killed yet.

So I finally found the place Treasure Map 5 points to. You should really change the text to northwest, because the place where the river starts in the center north corresponds.

 

[Xecutor_ShamanX]

It gets an error message while loading the map. Have anyone encountered this problem?

 

[cleavinghammer]

Do you have patch 1.29 or higher? That's likely the issue.

 

[PorkyDwarf]

i dont know if anyone pointed it out,but the zombie arm's spells share the same key (W).

 

[Ardenaso]

Could you also do Guild Vault upgrades for Tinker and Troll hero?

 

[DrSgre]

Hello, I have some trouble trying to host this map and play it with my friends.
When the loading of the map reaches 80% my Warcraft 3 application crashes with the following error:

This application has encountered a critical error:

FATAL ERROR!

Program: f:\download\Warcraft III\war3.exe
Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 0023:6F4DE1E0

The instruction at '0x6F4DE1E0' referenced memory at '0x0000000C'.
The memory could not be 'read'.

This is only happening with the 1.85 version of the map :/

I'm using patch 1.26, perhaps it is necessary to have patch 1.29 installed?

PS. the error also happens on my friends PCs.

 

[Wselfwulf]

Yes, you do in fact need patch 1.29 or above to play this map.

 

[Revinblade]

I am unaware if this is still being updated, However, I have found a game crashing bug.

If you equip the Musket (T2) weapon, and use its Explosive Shot, the Warcraft 3 clients of all players in the game will crash.

 

[Wark]

Does it do that for the tier 1 musket?
And, is that using the latest version of WC3 (1.31)?

The latest update has caused a lot of problems.

 

[Revinblade]

I was unaware there was a T1 Musket, When i originally found the issue, I went from the T1 Crossbow, to the Musket instead of Upgrading my Crossbow using materials. Yes this was with the latest version of Warcraft, so it could be an issue with the new update.

I also did not attempt with the Muskets upgrade, as I avoided using its tree all together since Explosive Shot was causing the crash.

 

[Mombat]

Heyho, good map. Only problem I see are the vampire spawns. Either they should come later, should be nerfed or should only spawn in a smaller area around the castel. As it is you just should not ever build or settle in the North-East at all. One vamp is easily capable of destroying any early base, army and fun. 1100 HP + Lifeleech and enough dmg to never run dry and it can just pop up in the middle of your settlement.

 

[Suseka]

Hi, how can I get an open version to translate it into my language?

 

[HonorisCreed]

Ha!

 

[NGK]

I really like the map. Time to time I got back to W3 custom maps and this one is great
But I have some questions. I play the map for 7 hours and still dont know some features.
Manly about quests and Bosses. I dont know how many features are there. For example dungeons are clear, but I dont know about other bosses. How many are there? How summon them?
I read about vampire queen, leviathan... dont know who can i find them. Also dont got any good unique item (pirate hat, rabbit leg, etc quit weak..)
Also curious about the 3 red circles at ruined harbour. I cant find out these without helps...
I found books in the mine, what are they for? Are the headstones in the graveyard have any meaning?
Really love this game, but It is frustrating that I can miss many great things.
I simple written guide or info map for this places would be great


Thanks!

 

[Xeryxoz]

Hope the map is still being updated - there are simply too many issues with crashes that people start to do intentionally when they're losing.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Game froze up when using the musket's Explosive Shot. As it was about two hours in, there might have been other triggers causing it.

Tried again and it happened 20 minutes in.

 

[Wark]

One of my students inspired me today.
I may try to update this once more, and help people wanting to translate the game.
For those who are curious, this is still an open source project.

I wonder how this will work with the new world editor...

 

[cleavinghammer]

Wooo!

 

[Ardenaso]

this is still an open source project.

today I just learned this

 

[Strange1884]

Is this project still being worked on or is it halted? I really like this map and if there's some discord group or something I'd like to join it.

 

[Ardenaso]

Hope to see this in Reforged, most custom models can be easily replaced by new models from Reforged

 

[Xeryxoz]

So, I was surfing the web a little while ago, and I came across something quite peculiar - Nostalgic even!
Due to feeling great deals of hype, I felt obliged to share this work of art.

<∽ Grand Magus Matal ∼>

 

[Ardenaso]

I really wish the Guild allows you to summon the two racial heroes and Tinker, considering that the three empty icons below look like they're made for them

 

[Inseer]

Hi there! I love this map so much! If you don't mind me saying, there is something I would like to add about important balance matters i think this map deserves:

1. Main hero Agility builds really needs a buff.
2. Bandits really needs a buff

Let me make some simple maths for you here about why I am saying this:
- Agility: Every point of agility grants +1% evasion and +1% chance to critical hit (double damage) (and 1 ms)
- Strenght: Every point of Strength grants +o.5 damage points and +10 hp (and 0.5 health regen)
- Inteligence: Every point of Inteligence grants +1% resistance to magic (+10 mana and 0.5 mana regen)

This means that in overall, if every hero start with 10 points of Agi, Str and Int and decide to max one of them, they get something like (after weapons and armor):
- Max Agi: +50% overall damage and total of 250% health against physical attacks (still poor against spell nukes)
- Max Int: total of 250% health against spell attacks (no bonus damage and no bonus health against physical attacks, but ranged nukers don't need this)
- Max Str: +50% overall damage and total of 225% health against BOTH physical and spell attacks (+the regen)
(I am not considering other items that provide bonus stats)

Hybrid builds:
- If someone decides to go a balanced build they get about +40% damage, and total of 166% health (agaisnt both physical and spells) and poor spells.
- If someone decides to go Agi and Str, they get about +50% damage, total 250% Health against physical and 162.5% health against spells
- If someone decides to go Str and Int, they get about +25% damage, 250% HP agaings spells and 162% against physical
- if someone decides to go Agi and Int, they get about +25% damage, 150% HP against both spells and physical

As you can see, when it comes to brute force/damage the Str builds are overpowering the other builds
The only downside of strength builds is that they are not high mobile and don't have ranged attacks other than their nukes

The only builds that match the Melle Strength ones are the ranged Inteligence ones that provide nukes and control.

Inteligence builds with the walking stick are incredibly powerfull right now, because the walking stick grants blink and a series of nukes/control if using a orb at offhand (my prefered is air and holy orb, because I can both cure and nuke from very great distances since I can easilly blink in and out). Just by using it against bots, for example, I am able to destroy the entire Bantit army only using my main hero (and a spy to give vision of area, principally at night)

- Melle inteligence builds are lacking and can improve too (because of all the physical damage they need to suffer in order to play their melle damage)

- Agility builds, however, are the ones that most easilly die even to the very first spell nukes (such as area damage from shockwave, or even simply focused hammer throws) - and because of how random can be the evasion of a hero, an agility hero can both withstand waaay a lot of damage/time in a fight (meaning it will take more damage from spells/cooldown), or die easilly with a few blows, making it, even with all its buffs, still unpredictable and inefficient, and always forcing the player to keep and eye on saving his hero in a big fight (instead of micro managing other units)
- Agility melle builds then lack even more because the nature of their skills.

So, if you want any suggestions, my suggestions are:
- For Bandits you can add things such as more stealth, poison, teleportations between Hideouts and regen to fit their role as more shaddy evasive individuals that rely on "guerrilla" fights.

- For Heroes, remove blink from Int ranged Builds/weapons and add it to Agility Melee builds
- Give Spell resistance to Agility points too.
- For Melee Int builds, make skills take in consideration some of the points in Strength and/or Agility too.
- You might also want to add an automatic 1 point of every stat for every 10 levels (or 1 point of all stats for every 10 stats in one certain stat).

If you apply this suggestions, Agility heroes will indeed become more reliable solo assassins; Strenght Heroes will still remain the stallwarts/supports to their troops that they are; and Int Heroes will still be great support/utility, however now properly nerfed as heroes that require good positioning (instead of blink abusing them as solo mass murderers).
Also, Agility builds will never be really op since the nature of their skills (most are not area damage) and they still get the most of their efficiency only when getting at latter levels (50+ with other items that provide agility too) - while Strength and Inteligence builds still provide a more reliable health growth or mana for early game spells and control.

 

[Inseer]

Hi there again! If you don't mind, I would like to add some more contribution about some gameplay issues.

- Cooking and alcheming take too long and require the player to keep pressing a single buttom for way too long in order to mass produce (time they could be using to chat or micromanage other things)
- Empty vial requirement makes alchemy recipes way too hard to produce to offset the time and effort put into making them. (alchemy itself is way too time and focus consuming to offset the effort and money put into it)

Suggestions:
- Reduce cooking and alchemy recipes cooldown from the cooking stand and allow the recipes to autocast;
- Remove empty vial requirement OR greatly increase the number of alchemical solutions (production) from a single vial usage.

I also think that cooking food and creating alchemy recipes before selling should make the goods value more (and not less as it is right now), and 12.5% of its total buy cost should apply to East and South markets, while 50% to North Market (as it already is with all other non consumable items).

Other ideas/sugestions:
Maybe you could add a new profession "inn manager", in which the player can build an inn/restaurant that automatically sells stored food to villagers that pass through nearby (1 food per villager, each villager have a cooldown) and collects a small amount of gold (without food requirement). The player themselves can also play a "food delivery" role in which they sell cooked food and drinks manually and directly to the villagers (without the inn requirement).

 

[Inseer]

Hi there again! I went a little ahead and after some testing, I applied some of the changes I listed above on the map I play myself. If you guys allow me, I would like to share here, in case anyone else find it interesting.

@Wark , please feel free to add these changes to the next official update release of the map if you want. (I would appreciate receiving a little credit for my contribution (as Inseerlink) if that is the case ^^)

Balance updates applied:

Main Changes:

Agility Heroes are now a thing!
- Agility stats grant spell resistance (just as Int stats);
- Agility stats grant attackspeed once again (o.o1 per level);
- Starting Heroes get 1.2 bonus Stat of Int, Str and Agi every 10 levels; different races have different distribution (for example, Orcs get 1.6 Str, 1.2 Agi and 0.8 Int); Total of 18 Distributed Points of Stats at max level (6 of each) (Affects only main heroes/founders);
- Agility and Int grant their evasion/resistance in a manner that always add effective 2% of hero max hp as health against physical/spell attacks per Stat point.

Chemistry is now a thing!
- Removed the water and empty vial requirements from alchemy and cook recipes;
- Increased the number of alchemy solutions by 3 for each brew, and reduced their price accordingly (times 3);
- Greatly reduced the cooldown from cooking and alchemy recipes (removed);
- Changed Alchemy recipe requirements from Medicinal Powder to Ginseng;
- Made the total of Cooked goods and Alchemy solutions worth a total of 10% more gold than the goods original price;
- Applied the bonus local money from sold items from Cooked goods and Alchemy solution goods to NORTH market (all worth 50% of total buy price);
- The South Market (isle city) no longer get bonuses from alchemical solutions;
- Improved the "Baker Terbakar" perk to equally affect recipes that reward multiple items (more items per cook and brew);
- Bombs no longer need strings;
- Molotov coctail no longer needs sulfur;
- Changed texts to reflect the changes applied to alchemy recipes.

Farming, using the land better:
- Weath and Corn seeds max market stack from 6 to 12, resplenish time from 15 to 5.

Version 1.85a - Hotfix
- Updated text to reflect that cooked and alchemical goods now apply their bonus price only at the North;
- Agility and Inteligence info panel now shows information properly.

Version 1.85b - Who Buffed the Buff?
- Seeds now are purchased in packs of 5 (price of pack of seeds adjusted proportionally);- Water from the well resplenish time from 30s to 5s;
- Removed Meat from North Market and added it to East Market;
- Removed Medicinal Powder bonus price to South and East Market;
- Added Medicinal Powder bonus price to NORTH Market;
- Removed Medicinal Powder from North Market.

To do list:
- Remove coal requirement from melting ingots recipes (add cost of coal instead, maybe?);
- Add something funny to do with coal;
- Add some other 2 goods to North Market that matches its abundance (or leave it like this for balance sake because North Market is now already the center of commerce anyway);
- Increase the number of wells one can make and rebalance the resplenish time of water after some testing;
- Increase the time it takes for crops to grow;
- Add a small price bonus from all goods to all Markets (something like 12,5% of buy price when it is not the main Market);
- Buff Hunt - Improve the number and respawn of animals, and add a totally new dedicated gear to hunters that can be unlocked via perk.


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I appreciate any positive feedback (or negative, if that is the case);
I am new to the forums, so if I am violating any rules with this post, please let me know! I would be mostly glad to correct myself; thanks in advance!

 

[Ardenaso]

Hi there again! I went a little ahead and after some testing, I applied some of the changes I listed above on the map I play myself. If you guys allow me, I would like to share here, in case anyone else find it interesting.

@Wark , please feel free to add these changes to the next official update release of the map if you want. (I would appreciate receiving a little credit for my contribution if that is the case ^^)

Balance updates applied:

Main Changes:

Agility Heroes are now a thing!
- Agility stats grant spell resistance (just as Int stats);
- Agility stats grant attackspeed once again (o.o1 per level);
- Starting Heroes get 1.2 bonus Stat of Int, Str and Agi every 10 levels; different races have different distribution (for example, Orcs get 1.6 Str, 1.2 Agi and 0.8 Int); Total of 18 Distributed Points of Stats at max level (6 of each) (Affects only main heroes/founders).

Chemistry is now a thing!
- Removed the water and empty vial requirements from alchemy and cook recipes;
- Increased the number of alchemy solutions by 3 for each brew, and reduced their price accordingly (times 3);
- Greatly reduced the cooldown from cooking and alchemy recipes (removed);
- Changed Alchemy recipe requirements from Medicinal Power to Ginseng (before only founders could get the best out of alchemy);
- Made the total of Cooked goods and Alchemy solutions worth a total of 10% more gold than the goods original price;
- Applied the bonus local money from sold items from Cooked goods and Alchemy solution goods to NORTH market (all worth 50% of total buy price);
- For balance sake, since alchemical solutions do not require empty vials anymore, the South Market (isle city) does not get bonuses from alchemical solutions;
- Improved the "Baker Terbakar" perk to equally affect recipes that reward multiple items (more items per cook and brew);
- Bombs no longer need strings;
- Molotov coctail no longer needs sulfur;
- Changed texts to reflect the changes applied to alchemy recipes.


To do:
- Add a description at the hero Interface Agility Stat to reflect the changes applied to Agility

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I appreciate any positive feedback (or negative, if that is the case);
I am new to the forums, so if I am violating any rules with this post, please let me know! I would be mostly glad to correct myself; thanks in advance!

those are nice suggestions but if I'm not mistaken this map is kinda open source now so you may as well make your own edition of this map

 

[Inseer]

those are nice suggestions but if I'm not mistaken this map is kinda open source now so you may as well make your own edition of this map

Oh, wow, so, what do you mean? Anyone can edit this map and post the new one here?
How does that work, sorry I am a little confused XD

 

[cleavinghammer]

I think you'd have to make a new thread (but make sure to link to this one and keep a changelog if you do).

 

[Ardenaso]

Oh, wow, so, what do you mean? Anyone can edit this map and post the new one here?
How does that work, sorry I am a little confused XD

I'd think so

For those who are curious, this is still an open source project.