MineralZ 1.55(f)

[maddeem]

Yes like I said before, the mineral spawn is crappy and inconsistent, should be more close together, (like whats the point of having a saph or ruby here and there).

And the mini map should display the proper arena with the rocks and minerals in sight.

There have also been a few night glitches were its totally black even with a lamp.

with these in mind, a new patch would put a cherry on top of this game

Trigger placed destructables will never show on the mini map D:
I could clump the mineralz more together.
Right now the clump in a 1500 yd radius
I'll change it to 1000 yd radius

The lamp glitch is because the warcraft engine only allows so many omni lights.
If you hit a limit they stop appearing all together :S
I have not found a fix for this.

 

[Captivate]

Trigger placed destructables will never show on the mini map D:
I could clump the mineralz more together.
Right now the clump in a 1500 yd radius
I'll change it to 1000 yd radius

The lamp glitch is because the warcraft engine only allows so many omni lights.
If you hit a limit they stop appearing all together :S
I have not found a fix for this.

ok cool, good to know. at least the minerals spawn can be fixed

 

[Timopwn]

Hey Maddeem,

My friends and I so love this map, it is epic!
Tho is it possible to increase the time before the first night?
Because most of the time we have trouble finding a good place to built our 'base' before night 1 hits in!

Keep up the awesome work!

 

[Foronisus]

Hey Maddeem,

My friends and I so love this map, it is epic!
Tho is it possible to increase the time before the first night?
Because most of the time we have trouble finding a good place to built our 'base' before night 1 hits in!

Keep up the awesome work!

Hmm yeah i played normal and we allmost died on start because of it because 50 seconds we were looking for base and its 60 seconds. So it would be good to be 100+

 

[Captivate]

oh yeah right, the time is wayy to short

 

[Alex_Hell]

Add building active range. Example: when building generator (already clicked on ground, in build progress) - show its range with lightning (wc3 object), when finish building - hide it range - its for all players, for visibility where to build regens, etc. Range may be on regens, tesla, magnet, turret too. When select building - show range, when unselect - hide - its for local player. Its not possible to detect mouse move when chose place for building (click on building in menu, and not click on the ground), but you can change your "model" (.mdx) - add range circle, and when chose place on ground you will see range - its good; after finish build - replace object with other, which model (.mdx) not contain range circle - you not see circle in normal mode (builded, unselected), but see it when click on building. You may add birth animation in .mdx to see circle on ground; and use 1 model for all, which 1st animation "stand" - when place on ground - with circle, and animation "stand alternate" without circle; on trigger "finish build" - replace building (2 objects in object editor with one .mdx), or trigger order to play alternate animation.
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Add allies mineral count to multiboard, or somewhere else.
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I think good ability - test base for holes. May be item for player, when he use item - trigger calculate ways, and select only small holes, example less than 2 cubes. It test for range 2000, and as result, show in red color - places, where is holes. Need algorithm. Example - create dummy units around (vector length is 2000, vector angle loop from 0 to 360 step 10) and order him to move to player position; by timer - detect position of dummy, and test: if dummy move near rocks (less than 2 cube width) - its hole.
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Add tesla ability to upgrade / sell when its chained with other teslas (when 1 attack, other cant upgrade).

 

[Captivate]

^^^ Yes please, all so true. good find alex

 

[maddeem]

Add building active range. Example: when building generator (already clicked on ground, in build progress) - show its range with lightning (wc3 object), when finish building - hide it range - its for all players, for visibility where to build regens, etc. Range may be on regens, tesla, magnet, turret too. When select building - show range, when unselect - hide - its for local player. Its not possible to detect mouse move when chose place for building (click on building in menu, and not click on the ground), but you can change your "model" (.mdx) - add range circle, and when chose place on ground you will see range - its good; after finish build - replace object with other, which model (.mdx) not contain range circle - you not see circle in normal mode (builded, unselected), but see it when click on building. You may add birth animation in .mdx to see circle on ground; and use 1 model for all, which 1st animation "stand" - when place on ground - with circle, and animation "stand alternate" without circle; on trigger "finish build" - replace building (2 objects in object editor with one .mdx), or trigger order to play alternate animation.
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Add allies mineral count to multiboard, or somewhere else.
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I think good ability - test base for holes. May be item for player, when he use item - trigger calculate ways, and select only small holes, example less than 2 cubes. It test for range 2000, and as result, show in red color - places, where is holes. Need algorithm. Example - create dummy units around (vector length is 2000, vector angle loop from 0 to 360 step 10) and order him to move to player position; by timer - detect position of dummy, and test: if dummy move near rocks (less than 2 cube width) - its hole.
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Add tesla ability to upgrade / sell when its chained with other teslas (when 1 attack, other cant upgrade).

I like your first suggestion, but that would require even more time put into making towers/upgrades. So, it is a no go.
Adding ally mineral count on the multiboard sounds like a plan.
Last suggestion I am gunna pass up for 1 reason.
If you have a hole you'll know it.

 

[Captivate]

Add building active range. Example: when building generator (already clicked on ground, in build progress) - show its range with lightning (wc3 object), when finish building - hide it range - its for all players, for visibility where to build regens, etc. Range may be on regens, tesla, magnet, turret too. When select building - show range, when unselect - hide - its for local player. Its not possible to detect mouse move when chose place for building (click on building in menu, and not click on the ground), but you can change your "model" (.mdx) - add range circle, and when chose place on ground you will see range - its good; after finish build - replace object with other, which model (.mdx) not contain range circle - you not see circle in normal mode (builded, unselected), but see it when click on building. You may add birth animation in .mdx to see circle on ground; and use 1 model for all, which 1st animation "stand" - when place on ground - with circle, and animation "stand alternate" without circle; on trigger "finish build" - replace building (2 objects in object editor with one .mdx), or trigger order to play alternate animation.
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Add allies mineral count to multiboard, or somewhere else.
---
I think good ability - test base for holes. May be item for player, when he use item - trigger calculate ways, and select only small holes, example less than 2 cubes. It test for range 2000, and as result, show in red color - places, where is holes. Need algorithm. Example - create dummy units around (vector length is 2000, vector angle loop from 0 to 360 step 10) and order him to move to player position; by timer - detect position of dummy, and test: if dummy move near rocks (less than 2 cube width) - its hole.
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Add tesla ability to upgrade / sell when its chained with other teslas (when 1 attack, other cant upgrade).

actually, if you can add the range of the structures, that would make this amazing!

 

[Alex_Hell]

Test for holes need example when you in 1st wave, and not know - exist holes in your new base or not; and when many players on 1 base, and exist noobs, or casually one player not sell building when was air bombers, and you may not see its building, when its boom - you not see it, and not see hole. I have 1 case - lose on 20 wave by reason of hole, other player are leave, and i not see one hole, i not have time to show all base and test for holes, i need build new walls, generators, regens, turrets.

I have written algorithm upper. You may test it and upgrade. I think its need not many time.

 

[centifora]

1. I was upgrading some tower, then i saw some air monsters flying arround. Need to save my worker! gotta look for it. Then i was like "WHERE THE HELL IS MY WORKER?" and soon i'm dead.

should add a command/button to track workers.

2. I reached night 50, then sometime the warcraft III not responding when uberlisk attack.

 

[maddeem]

1. I was upgrading some tower, then i saw some air monsters flying arround. Need to save my worker! gotta look for it. Then i was like "WHERE THE @#!*% IS MY WORKER?" and soon i'm dead.

should add a command/button to track workers.

2. I reached night 50, then sometime the warcraft III not responding when uberlisk attack.

The first problem will be fixed in 1.15a or 1.16

And the second problem has happened to more people than just you, like iselia who thinks I rigged the whole game so that he disconnects on wave 50 lolol.

Anyway I will do my best to fix it.

 

[Alex_Hell]

Today 1.15a version crash war3. On 1st day we go to build base, and its crash.

 

[Tonex]

Don't forget to make them recycling efficiency upgrades And you should make selling take a few seconds, somewhat similar to the undead "Unsummon Building", but fully automated ofc.

 

[Captivate]

cant wait for 1.15a or 1.16 now

 

[TwoVenomous]

got only 10 fps on night 50 lol

 

[WaterKnight]

What about light-emitting monsters?

 

[Timopwn]

The first problem will be fixed in 1.15a or 1.16

And the second problem has happened to more people than just you, like iselia who thinks I rigged the whole game so that he disconnects on wave 50 lolol.

Anyway I will do my best to fix it.

If you have time, extend the time before the first night
On normal mode we usually need to restart the game a few times cus of an early dead

 

[Captivate]

So for the next update:

- Fix mineral spawns (closer together, you said 1000yrds rather than 1500yrds)
- Add active range radius for the towers/generators (if u can)
- add more time in first day
- worker tracker

nething else im missing?

 

[Tonex]

He almost definitely won't include the range model on buildings, as mad has no skill in modeling and it would increase the file size by too much. Which is why the skins are in game models.

 

[Zeatherann]

The 'Gather Minerals' Passive Spell had no disabled icon, and ends up green.

 

[Tonex]

Isn't it enabled tho?

 

[Sheep]

Isn't it enabled tho?

It turns green when you pause the game

 

[Tonex]

Oh... I see...

 

[Alex_Hell]

Adding buildings active range is very important. If mad cant change models, minimally he can add lightning effect around building, when it was built. Its not need change models and no increase map size.

 

[Sheep]

Adding buildings active range is very important. If mad cant change models, minimally he can add lightning effect around building, when it was built. Its not need change models and no increase map size.

or he could explain somewhere how long the range is

 

[maddeem]

I have already explained IN DETAIL why I will not add the active range.
But here I go again. I will not add it for one reason and one reason only.
If I were to add it, for every new tower or structure I add I would have to save it's range.
That would increase the time it takes to add new upgrades and structures by quite a bit. If you want to see newer versions pushed out faster with more towers/upgrades do not ask for this feature!
Careful what you wish for.

 

[Schamanu]

I think, not being able to see the range of the buildings is part of the challenge/fun of this map and after some time you have a good feeling for placing buildings within their range anyway (in case you placed them wrong u can still sell them and place again)

 

[Alex_Hell]

I understand what its need time. I wait new version)) But i think you add this ability later, its very easy, i can help)

 

[Tonex]

Orly nao >_> I haven't seen you make any maps with it, let alone any maps at all.

 

[TwoVenomous]

Mad, i have a request, but you don't have to hear me if this request would bother you from making a new structures or towers though... just saying, based on my playing experiences... all the walls that being destroyed by the monsters didn't get removed and just stay there for some while, that also happened to one of the boss at night 40 that is queen, so, if you could remove their corpse(i know that doesn't fit) when they(the walls and queens) died, i would be happy, rather than mining far away from defense and didn't know that the wall is being destroyed. about the queen, she is blocking the screen, so that i didn't know where to put this and that. actually i just need to get used to them, but you know.... just saying (really, i have a bad grammar)

 

[Brambleclaw]

I have already explained IN DETAIL why I will not add the active range.
But here I go again. I will not add it for one reason and one reason only.
If I were to add it, for every new tower or structure I add I would have to save it's range.
That would increase the time it takes to add new upgrades and structures by quite a bit. If you want to see newer versions pushed out faster with more towers/upgrades do not ask for this feature!
Careful what you wish for.

How about just creating a universal range selector, with 3 abillities. it could come in selectable hero form selected only by F2 or F1 or put into a book called "Range" for the miner and have 3 abillities. 500 range 700 range 900 range.

You wouldn't even need to trigger it. Just use a AOE spell such as blizzard and on cast it will show X aoe circle.

Then remove everything from the spell such as damage or effects.

Would take like 5 mins

This could act as a temporary/permanent solution. And it will definatly make things easier to judge with

 

[maddeem]

The selection circle! INGENIOUS!

 

[Captivate]

just a small question. wat happened to the intro, the voice for "more work" and "wat turetury is this?" Awww I like that intro xD

 

[maddeem]

i removed some sounds to fit the environment. But I'll add it back

 

[Captivate]

i removed some sounds to fit the environment. But I'll add it back

yay, thanks a lot maddeem!

 

[Schamanu]

My bro and I were playing normal mode and on wave 50. When boss appeared game froze on both our computers at the same time, is this wave bugged?

btw, i noticed that mindcontrolled units still get an order to move(attack) every few sec, so u cant use them against the enemies effectively

 

[Zeatherann]

Here is a great lesson on ranges: Each 2x2 building is a square, 128 by 128 units long. So if Mad changes the effective ranged to batch multiples of 64 then you can tell how far it is in easy words like 'Two and a half walls away'

Knowing how far a particular distance is would be a great skill to lean: also each terrain tile is 128x128. Know the game you play (war3).

 

[Tonex]

It's still hard if the unit is diagonally away.

 

[shinji]

Can you please create a system that incease/decreases the number of enemies spawned by the number of players? I can't play this map with many people. So, even easy mode is too hard. I get my ass kicked by those exploding fat things.

 

[Timopwn]

Can you please create a system that incease/decreases the number of enemies spawned by the number of players? I can't play this map with many people. So, even easy mode is too hard. I get my ass kicked by those exploding fat things.

v1.15 (current version):
"The amount of units per wave is now based on how many players are in the game."

 

[Captivate]

(Update) Most important issues to be fixed for next patch:

- Fix mineral spawn (closer together, you said 1000yrds, rather than 1500yrds which is what its currently on)
- Fix the final wave freeze glitch
- add more time in first day
- worker tracker
- re-add audio in the intro script
- add the selection circle for the range
-add mineral count on a multiboard

*I’m just updating everything so it’s easier for you to remember

 

[shinji]

v1.15 (current version):
"The amount of units per wave is now based on how many players are in the game."

Ok.... Fine then. Pleae make a easier mode. I play this with my brother and it's over when the big exploding fat thingy comes. Even I have 2 magnet towers. Boom Boom Boom. Your base disappears. Or maybe I should put my tower a little far from the wall?

 

[Sheep]

Ok.... Fine then. Pleae make a easier mode. I play this with my brother and it's over when the big exploding fat thingy comes. Even I have 2 magnet towers. Boom Boom Boom. Your base disappears. Or maybe I should put my tower a little far from the wall?

Build a secondary defence in front of your real defence. Do that on night 15-16 with no towers protecting it, and you should be fine.

 

[Captivate]

Ok.... Fine then. Pleae make a easier mode. I play this with my brother and it's over when the big exploding fat thingy comes. Even I have 2 magnet towers. Boom Boom Boom. Your base disappears. Or maybe I should put my tower a little far from the wall?

noob alert

 

[shinji]

I see. So I should create a fake base so that the kamikazeish enemies won't destroy your main base. Thank you. How about the birds at night 7 or 8? I believe that there's not enough resources to create fake base.

 

[Sheep]

I see. So I should create a fake base so that the kamikazeish enemies won't destroy your main base. Thank you. How about the birds at night 7 or 8? I believe that there's not enough resources to create fake base.

Sell all your defence on night 7, and rebuild it after the night is over.
on night 19 scourges it is a really bad idea to sell defence.. just hope they don't blow up too much

 

[shinji]

Sell all your defence on night 7, and rebuild it after the night is over.
on night 19 scourges it is a really bad idea to sell defence.. just hope they don't blow up too much

Thanks. Have some Rep+ You're kind.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Sell all your defence on night 7, and rebuild it after the night is over.
on night 19 scourges it is a really bad idea to sell defence.. just hope they don't blow up too much

I repeat, I give you some rep, bitch

 

[Marsal]

Truly a gold game. One of the best survival defense type games I've ever played. But after 20th round :/ No more researches, no more challenge. But at least we can test some shit ~.~ after 40 fulled tesla coils its pretty easy no matter what comes against you.