Mercenaries re1.33

[Shadow Fury]

I played both low-process and normal mode.
Seems like both lag :/

 

[Gekigengar]

I played both low-process and normal mode.
Seems like both lag :/

That's good to know

I will try to keep the Game-play experience similar, while also improving the terrains.

If it's empty, and I cannot add slopes, I could just add up something flat, or rather, another simpler buildings. (I actually planned for a bigger village, but I lack the necessary doodads to create more variations.)

I would see what I can do.

and to be honest, this fact is really important to see from the player's perspective.

I hope you will be able to enjoy the next versions!

 

[Shadow Fury]

That's good to know

I will try to keep the Game-play experience similar, while also improving the terrains.

If it's empty, and I cannot add slopes, I could just add up something flat, or rather, another simpler buildings. (I actually planned for a bigger village, but I lack the necessary doodads to create more variations.)

I would see what I can do.

and to be honest, this fact is really important to see from the player's perspective.

I hope you will be able to enjoy the next versions!

The only thing I can do now is telling you "Good Luck!"
I'm certain the next versions will be very cool and satisfying

 

[Shadow Fury]

I'd like to recommend to you some things.
You can use this icon for the reload and this icon for the mercenary rifleman. They are just a few KB so they won't increase too much the filesize.
I also found out a bug when you die. Sometimes, the death animation is not played. The rifleman just stands like an idiot while he is "eaten" by the zombies. Kinda strange, try to fix that.

 

[Yan]

bug report

Hi,
I think i found a bug :

Game conditions :

• 3 players
• Normal Mode
• Survival Mode

Description :
When the game restart, one or more players don't revive only their items are on the ground.

PS : i didn't check if it has already been report.

 

[Gekigengar]

Hi,
I think i found a bug :

Game conditions :

• 3 players
• Normal Mode
• Survival Mode

Description :
When the game restart, one or more players don't revive only their items are on the ground.

PS : i didn't check if it has already been report.

This has been reported, but not as detailed.
I am investigating this,
sadly, there is no testers to test with.

Does it always happen with 3 players?

Thank you, this is really helpful.

 

[Gekigengar]

Corrected the patch notes for r1.1a, O.O

Wow, I must be either drunk/tired when making that!

I found a lot of bug with burning, here is a path note for r1.1b!

I will be focusing more and more of performance,
based on this.

Shadow Fury's Review

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Pretty great map. Here is the contructive criticism you wanted:-

GOOD POINTS:-
- The terrain in the central part is really gorgeous and I appreciated it a lot
- The abilities are amazing and well-executed
- The choise of mdels and skins for zombies was adequate. I also liked the attachments you used like the baseball bat
- The way the sand worm erupts from the ground is really cool
- The items are great and fit the map
- The bloody effects you used are terrific
- The voices are incredible and perfectly fit the theme of this map

BAD POINTS:-
-- Let's begin by saying that after 4-5 minutes, the game starts to lag like hell due to a massive spawn of zombies and that's really negative (mine isn't a slow wooden PC so that's not the source of lag)
- Some abilities like carpet bombing also cause heavy lag as well
- Although I said the terrain is gorgeous, I was referring merely to the central part. What about the rest? A desolate flat piece of land. No sand dunes and no environmental doodads. About 1/3 of the map is empty, not good

SUGGESTIONS:-
- I'd firstly say add some doodads (preferably walkable ones) in the empty spaces or at least make them hilly. Do anything but do NOT leave them empty like that, they look bad
- Do not exaggerate with some effects because they cause heavy lag. If I experienced lag in single player, I can't imagine in multiplayer!
- Reduce the amount of zombies spawned. The number of zombies spawned should be proportional to the number of playing players. So if one player is only playing, let few zombies spawn, not a gigantic overwhelming army. The current number of zombies spawned would be more suitable for 3-4 players

OVERALL RESULT:-
In conclusion, this map is marvellous but it simply needs to be less laggy and filled more with doodads. I'll give it 4/5

and this

SoJ's Review

I think I kinda disagree on ShadowFury's bad points.

I think the terrain right now is good terrain and gameplay wise and should remain as is. I played Mercenaries way back on its development days and I like the overall design and the details given to the terrain. Yes there is many empty spaces but I always use those spaces when I stack a couple of turrets and is ready to throw some grenade for an all out blood and fun. And besides too much obstruction on this kind of gameplay will be a downer in my opinion.

About the lag, never really experienced any head scratching lag yet so maybe you're using an old computer? If you think the effects right now is massive on this one then heck, you never played a lot of low end hero arena before.



I like everything overall. The last chance thingy is just reminding me of an old game that I used to play and giving me a lot of nostalgia.

Welp. Time to download the new version and play alone..
yah...
alone..
again...
with my zombie friends...

*cries*

and the release will probably be on next week or so. (I wanted to investigate about this "Respawn Bug").

Respawn Bug

Hi,
I think i found a bug :

Game conditions :

• 3 players
• Normal Mode
• Survival Mode

Description :
When the game restart, one or more players don't revive only their items are on the ground.

PS : i didn't check if it has already been report.

Version r1.1b

• Bug Fixes
• Fixed lure ability to no longer effects on player characters. (Visually)
• Fixed a bug where enemies could spam Melee jump attacks even if its on cool-down.
• Fixed Molotov Slow to now function properly.
• Game-play
• Improved Onslought, Cannine, & Cannine Alpha's AI on Melee jump attacks, they will no longer spam it before their cool-down is finished.
• Added stamina on Onslought, Cannine, & Cannine Alpha, they will not use Melee jump attacks if their stamina is depleted, similar to human players's melee. (Onslought 6, Cannine 3)
• Adder Decay to all zombies, now zombies will automatically dies when inactive.
• Reduced max player zombies. (From 320 to 296)
• Increased max-spawn on survival mode. (From 4 to 6)
• Visual Updates
• Removed a lot of special effects to ensure smoother game-play (Especially on Grenades).
• Versus
• Molotov will no longer slows against player characters.
• Reduced duration of burns on player characters. (From 10 --> 7)
• Now burn damage will lethally kill.

Change log is not final, and will be updated constantly.

If there is any objections/suggestions, please inform me!

 

[Strikest]

Hi, I played your map and I got the respawn bug as well. I don't think the amount of players matters, it happened in a 2-player game and a 4-player game, both of which were Light Mode, Survival. When you get the respawn bug the map doesn't restart after all players die, I assume this is because the game doesn't detect players dying on rematch, and assumes they are alive. This is because when I got the respawn bug, I didn't get the cutscene of the zombies swarming my corpse.

More details: It appears the respawn bug happens to the first person that dies in the game before, at least in the two games that I have encountered this bug.

Also, it appears that when you have a lot of turrets inside a building it causes a lot of lag, because they are shooting zombies outside the wall, so the wall is spammed with the bullet hitting wall effect, causing lots of lag.

 

[Gekigengar]

Hi, I played your map and I got the respawn bug as well. I don't think the amount of players matters, it happened in a 2-player game and a 4-player game, both of which were Light Mode, Survival. When you get the respawn bug the map doesn't restart after all players die, I assume this is because the game doesn't detect players dying on rematch, and assumes they are alive. This is because when I got the respawn bug, I didn't get the cutscene of the zombies swarming my corpse.

More details: It appears the respawn bug happens to the first person that dies in the game before, at least in the two games that I have encountered this bug.

Also, it appears that when you have a lot of turrets inside a building it causes a lot of lag, because they are shooting zombies outside the wall, so the wall is spammed with the bullet hitting wall effect, causing lots of lag.

I suspect that too, something with hero units being alive even when its dead due to the long death-time. That is a very detailed explanation, do you have any replays? I hope I could get a hand on one replay, so that I could track back the bug.

Don't worry about the lag caused by bullets, turrets, and grenades, it is being removed one by one in the next update (The next update is all about "Optimization"!)

Thank you for supporting the map!

 

[Gekigengar]

I wish the moderators could give me a more "Constructive" feedback..

I want to know why do I get 4/5 rating? What am I missing?

How do I improve?

Hmm, the update by the way, will take some time.

There is too much experiments going on (And big changes), I don't want to destroy the game-play experience by releasing it early.

x)

 

[noob]

I find awesome this mod but I have an really hard time playing it because the dwarf turns really slowly (irl you do not need so many time for turning and shooting vaguely in your back) and that lag make me loose my precious time and eat my maneuver margin preventing me from doing the classical turn back and shoot I do in most of the survivals.
Usually in the FPS you can run backward in stairs while shooting or strafe while shooting but here you can not do this.
Probably there is tactics for playing alone but it is indicated nowhere it would be cool to have an tutorial on how to play in solo.(because I do not know how to play in solo to that mod)

 

[Gekigengar]

I find awesome this mod but I have an really hard time playing it because the dwarf turns really slowly (irl you do not need so many time for turning and shooting vaguely in your back) and that lag make me loose my precious time and eat my maneuver margin preventing me from doing the classical turn back and shoot I do in most of the survivals.
Usually in the FPS you can run backward in stairs while shooting or strafe while shooting but here you can not do this.
Probably there is tactics for playing alone but it is indicated nowhere it would be cool to have an tutorial on how to play in solo.(because I do not know how to play in solo to that mod)

Lag? Did you use Low-processing mode?

I could reduce the turn-rate, ill keep a note and experiment with it.

There are tactics to play alone, but the game is made for 4 players.

You could see my newest video in the video section of the map description, I posted some techniques in the youtube comment sections.

I did pretty badly in that video, but I decided to post it anyways.
Survival is extremely item dependent, you would consider calling
HQ for supplies instead of bombardments when playing Solo.

I could survive for 2 nights solo, maybe because I always test it by myself, I got used to it.

Stay tuned for the next update, because player number related stuffs are being adjusted

I might make a commentary and suggests you improvements if you have a replay, thanks for playing!

 

[Shadow Fury]

This game requires training like hell. Considering that the first time I tried this game I survived maximum 2 minutes and now I am able to survive for 10-15 minutes
For the turn, it's better to use the ability with the hotkey "A", it's pretty faster. I usually use the Melee Attack to be able to flee away from zombies and then attack them with the gun.
Oh, and when night falls, 15 seconds and I am dead...

 

[noob]

Why making that with "A"(This ability for turning while being static) you turn faster?
It really seems buggy that for turning fast you need to use "A" because.
1 It add an key-press that could be automatic without changing anything except it will be more intuitive and less boring.
2 Does it make an sense that an stressed gunner who is doing of his best turn slowly except when you tell him to turn fast.
So instead there could be an higher turning speed for allowing players to play well without the use of an systematical A key-press each time they turn back and shoot.

 

[Gekigengar]

Why making that with "A" you turn faster?
It really seems buggy that for turning fast you need to use "A" because.
1 It add an key-press that could be automatic without changing anything except it will be more intuitive and less boring.
2 Does it make an sense that an stressed gunner who is doing of his best turn slowly except when you tell him to turn fast.
So instead there could be an higher turning speed for allowing players to play well without the use of an systematical A key-press each time they turn back and shoot.

Let me confirm to you, the "A" button does not make you turn faster at all, they are just useful for Mini-gun's Gatling mode, so that you won't have to "Move" which sometimes cancels out the Gatling mode.

I have done a few tuning to the turn-rate, so don't worry about this guys, its a lot more reactive now.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Well, strangely I feel "A" command is faster than moving. I can handle it well so I don't cancel the "gattling" and I can shoot the zombies behind me easily, even if it lags when there are a lot of zombies.

 

[Gekigengar]

I changed the turn rate into heaps faster, its a lot better, but now I could throw grenades/items backward without even having to turn my body.

Idk if thats a good thing, Ill upload the next version tomorrow.

 

[Gekigengar]

Version r1.1b

• Bug Fixes
• Fixed a bug where Morpher could revive itself after transformation even after it is killed during transformation.
• Fixed lure ability to no longer effects on player characters. (Visually)
• Fixed a bug where enemies could spam Melee jump attacks even if its on cool-down.
• Fixed Molotov Slow to now function properly.
• Fixed issues with bloater's smokes causing too much lag.
• Game-play
• Added Cannine Reflex! (They will now try to evade incoming attacks, such as melee, or gunshots.)
• Now Adrenaline Rush reduces combo tick by half. (0.5 per 1 second during Adrenaline Rush)
• Improved Onslought, Cannine, & Cannine Alpha's AI on Melee jump attacks, they will no longer spam it before their cool-down is finished.
• Added stamina on Onslought, Cannine, & Cannine Alpha, they will not use Melee jump attacks if their stamina is depleted, similar to human players's melee. (Onslought 6, Cannine 3)
• Adder Decay to all zombies, now zombies will automatically dies when inactive.
• Reduced max player zombies. (From 320 to 296)
• Increased max-spawn on survival mode. (From 4 to 7)
• Increased max-spawn on versus mode. (From 1 to 2)
• Player turn rate is a lot faster. (From 0.60 --> 0.75)
• Increased score ratio multiplier of Bloaters. (From 400 --> 600)
• Now its easier to get out of zombie grabs. (From 6% of current life + 20 damage to 10% of Max HP + 25 each struggle)
• Reduced Morpher HP (When morphing) so its easier to kill while in transformation state. (From 1450 --> 950)
• Reduced Bloaters HP. (From 1800 to 1400)
• Reduced Cannine Alpha & Onslought's Sprinting ability speed bonus.
• Reduced The Runner's Sprinting ability speed bonus.
• Increased Morpher (Tentacle Form)'s health regeneration rate drastically.
• Zombies that are idle will now rot and die. (Experimental function, please give me feedback on its performance.)
• Visual Updates
• New Disease Cloud Model.
• Removed a lot of special effects to ensure smoother game-play (Especially on Grenades).
• New Sniper Bullet by ILH!
• Versus
• Molotov will no longer slows against player characters.
• Reduced duration of burns on player characters. (From 10 --> 7)
• Now burn damage will lethally kill.

r1.1b Uploaded!

Please provide feedbacks, especially on the performance.
Thank you!

 

[BandolXD]

Watch me and the nigga play. (Actually alone XD)

 

[Gekigengar]

Watch me and the nigga play. (Actually alone XD)

Lol..
A few notes you should remember next time you will be playing.

1. Press F (To melee attack, watch out for your stamina though.)
2. Press E (To change weapon, use Shotgun to destroy big enemies)
3. Press D (To call out HQ Supports, increases survival rate by millions!)

Melee attacks is extremely effective against zombies, use it often if you are not in danger of getting over-crowded!
I usually use guns only when they start to crowd against me.

Its funny seeing you running around in a sandbox, the dog are designed to outrun you anyways, kill it fast before it gets near!

Thanks for the replay, its fantastic ;P

Try to get through at least the first night!

 

[RaZi3l]

Why is the melee ignore body collision as in Naruto or Bleach?

Need love on this

 

[Gekigengar]

Why is the melee ignore body collision as in Naruto or Bleach?

Need love on this

If it knocks zombies back..would it be better?

hmm..

Anyways, to people that wanted to play, you can add "Gekigengar" on gameranger!

I would be ready to test it up~!

 

[Shadow Fury]

If it knocks zombies back..would it be better?

hmm..

Anyways, to people that wanted to play, you can add "gekigengar" on gameranger!

I would be ready to test it up~!

Hmm so you play on gameranger? Cool, I do too. My name is Shadow Fury as here on the hive. I will add you unless there are too many gekigengars out there!

 

[Gekigengar]

Hmm so you play on gameranger? Cool, I do too. My name is Shadow Fury as here on the hive. I will add you unless there are too many gekigengars out there!

Yes! add me up "Gekigengar".

anyways, new gameplay Video uploaded!

 

[BandolXD]

Do you have plan to change the Loading Screen ?

 

[Gekigengar]

Do you have plan to change the Loading Screen ?

Yes, but I don't know what to use yet.

 

[kellym0]

ur maps pretty awesome

 

[Gekigengar]

ur maps pretty awesome

Thank you.

 

[troylowyee]

Bug Report

In survival mode, 1 player wont revive

 

[Gekigengar]

In survival mode, 1 player wont revive

This bug has been there for so long, I don't even know how to fix it.

I looked and rewrote the spawning code, still it came out the same way.

Unless someone is willing to take a look at the codes for me, and fix it, that will be great!
(I will provide the code)

Anyways, here releasing Hall of Fame in the next patch.

Hall of Fame

Rank 1 :
Score : 204,782
Team : (Random Queue)
Members : ganhuat, jokesonyou96, BladeDeath.

Rank 2 :
Score : 140,768
Team : Solo
Members : Gekigengar

Rank 3 :
Score : 29,966
Team : Solo
Members : ILH

Only 2 person have submitted scores to me so far.., but I am proud~!

 

[bisnar13]

Hey, you finished it. )

 

[Gekigengar]

Hey, you finished it. )

YISS

Since a long time ago

 

[venger07]

I'm so glad you finished your project!! T_T

 

[Gekigengar]

I'm so glad you finished your project!! T_T

Not really "Finished".

There are tons of ideas I haven't put into the map yet.

But perhaps someday, I will be able to project the ideas for the world to enjoy.
Even if it's not in the form of this map, or Mercenaries.

Thanks for playing and downloading the game!

 

[venger07]

oh I meant you "uploaded" it ) my project is buried underground..haha

 

[deepstrasz]

I say, there's something going on there.

 

[Gekigengar]

I say, there's something going on there.

Where?

 

[deepstrasz]

Where?

There, of course!

 

[AvianSurkov]

i hate night time on single player cuz its too dark and also i cant saw enemies where they came from i think you should add flare or torch so that we can place for secure perimeter but multiplayer its okay but a bit laggy.

 

[Gekigengar]

i hate night time on single player cuz its too dark and also i cant saw enemies where they came from i think you should add flare or torch so that we can place for secure perimeter but multiplayer its okay but a bit laggy.

Flares exist in the game.

Its one of the few items you get in the game!

Yeah, it is designed so that you cannot see where the enemies is coming from.

Glad to see it's working as intended

I agree with it being laggy, I wish I could somehow reduce it.
(Though, I can't reduce it without breaking the gameplay at all.)

Are you playing in light mode? it is designed to heavily reduce the lag experienced by the players.

 

[Ragazine14]

Nice map, good programing, epic gameplay. Will give 5/5 (When I can, sadly, I'm not 10 more than days in this forum ).

 

[Gekigengar]

Nice map, good programing, epic gameplay. Will give 5/5 (When I can, sadly, I'm not 10 more than days in this forum ).

To be honest, I did not really do a good job programming this lol.

Thanks for the nice review!

I have secured a few bugs that has been long overdue for a fix. (Especially the respawn bug caused by hiding hero units.)

Though, now all that's left is the required motivation and time to fix them.

 

[ktae3102]

hey i got a world record i send you a private message pls check that
thanks for making this map i love this map i`ll send you my replay

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=f510t7
i upload it!

plz write my nick name Last-Battalion [KOR]
it means Korea
i try so hard for break the record

 

[Gekigengar]

Preparing new changes and updates.

Any ideas are welcome~!

Version r1.1c

• Bug Fixes
• Fixed reload bug in multi-player, sometimes getting killed while reloading will get your character to not re-spawn properly.
• Fixed storm armor not pausing enemy unit during knock-back.
• Not really a bug, but fixed a few tool-tip.
• Game-play
• Increased Battle flag score bonus. (From 45 --> 150 per kill)
• Increased Carpet bombing radius and damage (Min and Max). (From 260 AoE --> 280 AoE, From 180 AoE --> 200 AoE) (From 260 --> 280, From 140 --> 160)
• Getting knocked back while reloading will now cancel your reload.
• Player base movement speed increased (From 295 --> 300)
• Reduced Bloaters spawn rate (From 2% --> 1.25%)
• Reduced Cannine spawn rate (From 6% --> 5%)
• Reduced Cannine side-step dodge ability cast chance by half. (Now it will try to dodge less than usual)
• Added Kevlar armor item! (Averts 75% of incoming damage towards the kevlar armor until its stack depletes) (Also ignores damage from small fragments from explosive) (Each stack represents 1 damage)
• Added Code-Red, a new unique zombie type, only 1 can exist in the map
• Code-red slows down upon taking damage, and regenerates very slowly. (Up to 99% slow on 25% hp)
• Code-red cannot be killed, but will be stunned for 2 minutes when damaged at 20% hp.
• Removed Zombie Grab ability from Walkers
• Added Scope Attachment to random supply list
• Added Kevlar armor to random supply list
• Reduced Max Player Zombie by 1 (Total of 8, since there is 8 zombie players)
• Reduced Survival mode Zombie spawn rate by 1.
• Storm armor no longer reflects grenade fragments and shotgun bullets.
• Storm armor bullet reflection no longer does instant-kill damage.
• Removed Mini-stuns from The Runner and The Swarm.
• Added Monstrous strength to The Runner, The Morphed (Tentacle), and The Demolisher.
• Monstrous strength ability will knock you back if an enemy successfully landed a blow on your character.
• Visual Updates
• Changed Xiiao to Xiiao_Dexz in credits description.
• Added Hall of Fame in the quest information section.
• Added Debug commands in the quest information section.
• Versus
• Added Bullet charm to versus mode Survivor class.
• Changed Bullet charm from Infantry class to Kevlar Armor.
• Infantry's Overload duration increased. (From 5 --> 6)
• Infantry's Overload cooldown increased. (From 21 --> 25)

 

[Gekigengar]

hey i got a world record i send you a private message pls check that
thanks for making this map i love this map i`ll send you my replay

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=f510t7
i upload it!

plz write my nick name Last-Battalion [KOR]
it means Korea
i try so hard for break the record

Score will be included in the next version soon~
(Probably by tomorrow~!)

 

[Eat_Bacon_Daily]

Played this with friends, it was super fun! Finally a warcraft shooter that plays smooth. Though i have to say it was pretty laggy after a short while and there were some noticeable leaks. Keep up the awesome work and i will keep playing!

 

[Gekigengar]

Played this with friends, it was super fun! Finally a warcraft shooter that plays smooth. Though i have to say it was pretty laggy after a short while and there were some noticeable leaks. Keep up the awesome work and i will keep playing!

First of all, thanks a lot for playing!, I really appreciate it!

Any replays to help me identify the leaks?

I never had the chance to test the map multiplayer, though in theory it should work well.

There might be some problems that I have never seen before, if you could provide me with a replay, that would be awesome!

 

[Eat_Bacon_Daily]

I lost the replay, and i can't remember all the leaks. But i remember that if you die while reloading your reload bar remains there permanently.

 

[Tyrand]

I enjoy this map and anyone I've played it with seems to enjoy it as well but I noticed that on the third time the map restarted I (as Red - in a group of 4) did not respawn and my hero was still dead. It was moved to the helicopter and my camera was now stuck on my dead corpse.

Otherwise it's a great map and fun to play with friends.

 

[Gekigengar]

I enjoy this map and anyone I've played it with seems to enjoy it as well but I noticed that on the third time the map restarted I (as Red - in a group of 4) did not respawn and my hero was still dead. It was moved to the helicopter and my camera was now stuck on my dead corpse.

Otherwise it's a great map and fun to play with friends.

Any saved replays?

That would help a lot.

I am finding the source of this bug, I don't really get why this happens..