Life of a Peasant Ascension

[Daethz]

while testing in single player apon joining the arena championship, was teleported out side of the area on the road due east of the arena, instead of in the arena

this made it considerably more difficult to run around and occupy my time, since the game would always think there is some one already in the arena. since no death has occurred in the area, very difficult to kill the champion from the outside

I think I found the issue, I accidentally left the tracker out of the championship half of the arena.
I just added it in my editing copy.

 

[DrakPanda]

can get rid of the zip file, and the 12 player version, bots are dead after all

 

[Daethz]

can get rid of the zip file, and the 12 player version, bots are dead after all

They are?

Would you guys prefer a rushed 6.2.1 hotfix to fix the arena and police cars?
Or just include those fixes in 6.3 that might take a month

 

[DrakPanda]

They are?

Would you guys prefer a rushed 6.2.1 hotfix to fix the arena and police cars?
Or just include those fixes in 6.3 that might take a month

i can start hosting again with hotfix, dont mind waiting though.
ur call

 

[Victorman222]

I've found a bug:when i'm a mutant i can mutate Angry ancients to be my units.

 

[Daethz]

I've found a bug:when i'm a mutant i can mutate Angry ancients to be my units.

Thanks for reporting, just fixed it.

 

[Daethz]

i can start hosting again with hotfix, dont mind waiting though.
ur call

Ill release a 6.2.1, I'm just wrapping up some quality of life improvements for Police/Mafia/Cartel plus a few things I overlooked in 6.2

 

[DrakPanda]

cop car can be used to transport town units like samuro to nuke bosses
selection bug is really intense come MP games and the shops

 

[Daethz]

cop car can be used to transport town units like samuro to nuke bosses
selection bug is really intense come MP games and the shops

Hmm, ill look into the transporting, didn't think you could transport town units at all.
As for the selection bug, I have seen it reported before, I haven't a single clue what could cause that, nothing in the game even messes with the players mouse selections, I may have to consult the forums.

6.2.1 is released, includes the fixes for the previous things you guys reported, plus more improvements for mafia, cartel and police jobs.

Would have uploaded it earlier but my terrible ISP decided to make my upload speeds tank.

 

[DrakPanda]

dont worry about delayed upload you being here working on it at all is great to have

 

[Daethz]

dont worry about delayed upload you being here working on it at all is great to have

I just did a little experiment, turns out when units die in Wc3 they are still technically "In The Game", ALL of them.
So for example if you kill every peasant in the game, and they all respawn, not only are the new units in the game but the dead ones are too, doubling the amount of "Peasants" in the game technically, only half are dead and invisible.

So I'm going to release a experimental 6.2.2 patch that will remove all non-hero units that are registered as dead every now and then, my only worry is this could have unintended consequences, i need to test it more myself first.

 

[Daethz]

I'm keeping patch 6.2.1 on the website until you guys try out 6.2.2, im curious if the unit cleanup every 12 minutes is too much for online games to handle, it does wipe quite a few assets suddenly.
give it a shot, tell me if it helps the selection bug at all, and how bad the lag spike is when the taxes trigger in the game (it piggybacks on the same timer).

Also give -selectionfix a try if you see the selection bug again.
But im hoping the unit cleanup is what we needed to fix it.

& can you get samuro out of his dojo anymore? try it

 

[DrakPanda]

bugs found in 6.2.1
golem of earth boss spawns multiple times
recyclables continue spawning if a player leaves game and the garbage truck is left out of parking spot
governor tech doesnt seem to unlock tech for other players, but unlocks for your self if u go to that job next

common from 6.2
selection bug is problematic right out of the gate, but seems to go away when there are 5 players left in the game, seems the more players the worse it gets
-debug and -fix do very little to help

will be playing 6.2.2 starting next game

 

[PerfectlyFlawed]

Dunno if this is intentional or not but a votekick in a 14+ player game 3 hours in passed against the host yet host was not kicked until he himself typed in "-kick red". despite 4/4 votes needed for the votekick passing.

Actual bug found was that when I took Governor after Mayor and signed off on everything a player who picked up a Marines asked me to sign off on his upgrades, which I had already done.

I really hope I'm tripping balls and that said host wasnt the mapmaker himself active in comments here, urging players in-lobby to hunt bugs and taking a relatively useless item as ninja'd loot then forcing the player who killed the boss on his own to tell him why he wanted the item, as if there's more needed than "I worked for it". Conversations on the map's jobs seemed to imply fun jobs deserve less viability while tedious grinds that are acknowledged as just that are encouraged through paying off. Creative methods to subvert that design philosophy in order to have more fun among the remaining players still ingame in a LOAP where after 5 hours of earnings on a 'fun' job as a average player who doesnt know the map gimmicks, the map has been swept and all events are done as you're able to afford a handful of helicopters said players have been throwing around/away all game were met with hostility and in order to enjoy the map more/at all I felt very reluctant to and did not give away any of the gimmicks I found.

 

[Daethz]

bugs found in 6.2.1
golem of earth boss spawns multiple times
recyclables continue spawning if a player leaves game and the garbage truck is left out of parking spot
governor tech doesnt seem to unlock tech for other players, but unlocks for your self if u go to that job next

common from 6.2
selection bug is problematic right out of the gate, but seems to go away when there are 5 players left in the game, seems the more players the worse it gets
-debug and -fix do very little to help

will be playing 6.2.2 starting next game

I just fixed the recyclables.
As for the golem, what? theres two of them in your game, weird because the trigger to respawn him only goes off when he dies, meaning there should be no way to spawn two, does it multiply when you kill him?

Governor tech trigger looks right, weird.

Try turning off the camera refreshing with -camstop and see if that alleviates the selection bugs, the camera refreshes every 0.01 seconds to get the scrolling to stop resetting the height, i'm thinking it could be to blame for the selection issues, or maybe not.

 

[Daethz]

Dunno if this is intentional or not but a votekick in a 14+ player game 3 hours in passed against the host yet host was not kicked until he himself typed in "-kick red". despite 4/4 votes needed for the votekick passing.

Actual bug found was that when I took Governor after Mayor and signed off on everything a player who picked up a Marines asked me to sign off on his upgrades, which I had already done.

I really hope I'm tripping balls and that said host wasnt the mapmaker himself active in comments here, urging players in-lobby to hunt bugs and taking a relatively useless item as ninja'd loot then forcing the player who killed the boss on his own to tell him why he wanted the item, as if there's more needed than "I worked for it". Conversations on the map's jobs seemed to imply fun jobs deserve less viability while tedious grinds that are acknowledged as just that are encouraged through paying off. Creative methods to subvert that design philosophy in order to have more fun among the remaining players still ingame in a LOAP where after 5 hours of earnings on a 'fun' job as a average player who doesnt know the map gimmicks, the map has been swept and all events are done as you're able to afford a handful of helicopters said players have been throwing around/away all game were met with hostility and in order to enjoy the map more/at all I felt very reluctant to and did not give away any of the gimmicks I found.

The kick didn't work?
Are you sure the player was actually red? with the addition of the color changing it could trick people.
(The Kick Commands are based on original colors and player positions, not changed colors)

Ill take a look at the code, it's hard to fix this one without testers.

 

[Daethz]

I really hope I'm tripping balls and that said host wasnt the mapmaker himself active in comments here.

Nope, I haven't actually played my own game in multiplayer for years now, ironically.

I enjoy developing the map more than playing it (sorta happens that way when you already know all of the secrets down to the code)

 

[Daethz]

Ok, when you initiate a kick it must be finished within 5 minutes else the kick resets completely.
Ill buff it up to 8 minutes for the next patch.
I'm also adding in "-kick player #" (1-24, #12 is town and can't be kicked)

These changes will be in patch 6.2.3

Edit: I Noticed that players 1&2 had different code than 3-24, I'm changing players 1&2 code to match, this could have been the cause, I will attempt to test this on my own after I fix it but doing so without 4 literal people is impossible.

 

[DrakPanda]

Also give -selectionfix a try if you see the selection bug again. But im hoping the unit cleanup is what we needed to fix it.

will test selection issue with -selection fix tonight if fails will do the -camstop
will be doing at least 1 game of 6.2.2 after this post

Edit: I Noticed that players 1&2 had different code than 3-24, I'm changing players 1&2 code to match, this could have been the cause, I will attempt to test this on my own after I fix it but doing so without 4 literal people is impossible.

will test kick function of 6.2.3 on release

As for the golem, what? theres two of them in your game, weird because the trigger to respawn him only goes off when he dies, meaning there should be no way to spawn two, does it multiply when you kill him?

about the golems, one player said there was more than 1, but by the time i had arrived to see the location there was easily 7+ i couldnt get an exact count before death, they did report something about multiplication but i dont remember exactly

wish more people were willing to help post bugs, rather than bugs that bother them and keep quiet on exploits they prefer to abuse

 

[Daethz]

about the golems, one player said there was more than 1, but by the time i had arrived to see the location there was easily 7+ i couldnt get an exact count before death, they did report something about multiplication but i dont remember exactly

We are taking about the Golem of Earth boss in the top left of the map right?

I found his respawn code, it is no different than any other boss, just "he dies" wait 120 seconds "create new golem of earth"

Anyway I threw in an added condition of there being zero golem of earths alive on the entire map, I still have zero idea what could be causing that, i checked for duplicate codes, found none though the world editor has no finder, you have to manually do it.

-I also lowered the respawning of the Granite Golem trash mobs.

As for the -selectionfix im improving it in 6.2.3 to be more powerful, instead of fixing the selection every 8 seconds with auto-income i threw it into the camera fixer which triggers every 0.01 seconds, unless you disable the camera fixer.

 

[DrakPanda]

ya that boss, idk why it spawned so many was odd, careful with the tinker of the timers that can be the cause of the memory leak alone, a trigger firing 100 times a second, also be sure to play test the map at least once every major edit, theres lots of talk of game enders with the new delete system that was put in, havent gotten to test yet though

 

[Daethz]

ya that boss, idk why it spawned so many was odd, careful with the tinker of the timers that can be the cause of the memory leak alone, a trigger firing 100 times a second, also be sure to play test the map at least once every major edit, theres lots of talk of game enders with the new delete system that was put in, havent gotten to test yet though

it only deletes already dead non hero units.
it selects them on the condition of "Is Dead"

But in 6.2.3 i replaced it with "unit dies (unit isn't a hero) wait 40 seconds remove unit from the game"
It causes no lag, where as the other one did.

I can't think of any situation where removing a dead unit would break any systems, even the zombies spawn a new unit when killed, they don't "revive", all mob spawns literally create a new unit, not "respawn".
Mainly because there's no way to respawn a unit that i have seen, lol.
Before tinkering with this stuff I actually didn't know the game kept dead units "In the game" forever.

 

[DrakPanda]

6.2.2 Critical bug all town gets removed minus one walking human some time shortly after the first event. the cleanup script is seriously broken, game currently unplayable.

when testing map make sure to log into b.net and test the game one time online. game seems to work different from online play vs singleplayer play in offline.

6.2.2 was clearly not playtested at all before release

 

[DrakPanda]

did some futher testing, map wipe occurs as soon as the taxes are collected

 

[Daethz]

6.2.3 is released, that map wipe bug is removed.
my own testing of my new unit cleaner in 6.2.3 seems to have zero issues, it triggers every single time a non hero unit dies in the game.

Off the top of my head I don't think any unit in the game "dies" and gets re-used other than Heroes.
So it should have zero negative impacts, let me know if you have increased lag from this change, I tested it via spawning 60 mobs per second and having them all die instantly, it was lagless for me, other than the visual animations of them all spawning and dyeing, but without my camera over that spot there was no related lag.

please delete patch 6.2.2 from your directory and never use it again.

 

[Daethz]

Do you guys get lag for the first minute after starting up the game online?
When i host it for myself I do, but i also have dialup quality internet, especially when it comes to uploads, and probably hosting.

Either way im going to try to improve the startup, like im going to get rid of the tip popups and throw them into a quest instead, that will be in the next patch

 

[Daethz]

ya that boss, idk why it spawned so many was odd, careful with the tinker of the timers that can be the cause of the memory leak alone, a trigger firing 100 times a second, also be sure to play test the map at least once every major edit, theres lots of talk of game enders with the new delete system that was put in, havent gotten to test yet though

I really need to find a better way to fix the cameras mouse scrolling where it dosn't have to trigger 100 times a minute.
But there's no way to develop a trigger based on usage of a players scroll button, i wish there was, or better yet just a better wc3 camera system in general.

 

[DrakPanda]

no i never get lag, pretty sure most standard computers dont, unless your ping is super high
is there even a problem with the camera's mouse scrolling?

6.2.3 bugs
arena didnt reset properly on death leaving a constant extra baddie, was fixed by leaving the arena since the trigger for the circle seems to clearn entire arena
blue red green lato tickets dont follow logical pattern for chance : prize ratio like the rest do
earth gollem boss in NW 2 were spawned at start

other bugs
do blackmsiths not charge money?
corrupted mother heart, left click to use does what?

game crashed when some one killed the lich, no error report

edit: i really hate emoticons appearing where they are not wanted, 1:2 x:y C <<<"C : P"

 

[Daethz]

no i never get lag, pretty sure most standard computers dont, unless your ping is super high
is there even a problem with the camera's mouse scrolling?

6.2.3 bugs
arena didnt reset properly on death leaving a constant extra baddie, was fixed by leaving the arena since the trigger for the circle seems to clearn entire arena
blue red green lato tickets dont follow logical pattern for chance : prize ratio like the rest do
earth gollem boss in NW 2 were spawned at start

other bugs
do blackmsiths not charge money?
corrupted mother heart, left click to use does what?

game crashed when some one killed the lich, no error report

edit: i really hate emoticons appearing where they are not wanted, 1:2 x:y C <<<"C : P"

Blacksmith isn't charging money for a complete item? Im going to look at the lich as soon as i get home, if i find a cause ill fix it and release a patch asap.

 

[Daethz]

Lich's spawn trigger was very messed up, Ill try to release 6.2.4 by monday night.
Most of the respawns in my game use simple "spawn at center of region" turns out this causes leaks, so im adding in tons of variables to fix that.
Hopefully by the time I fix them all it should seriously improve the late game performance.

Scrolling is an issue with the custom camera system, when you scroll without my fix it will just reset to default height that issue was present in loap power ultimate, its one of the first things I fixed in ascension.

 

[DrakPanda]

Blacksmith isn't charging money for a complete item?

the 3 blacksmiths just north of the drug runner and south of the arena
as far as i know they dont charge for any combo's

 

[Daethz]

I just redesigned much of the arena system, so hopefully my new method will prevent issues going forward (im confident it will), now im going to clean up the leaks in that system, I just finished cleaning up like 2/3rds of the mob/boss respawning leaks in the game also.

The refund for blacksmith items must be misfiring, its intended to only give you a refund in the event you purchase an item without the required items, Ill have to go back through it.

The lottery scratchoff tickets seem to all be fine and uniform, are those two giving too many wins? Anyway I threw in a second random number generation, so every time you play it will actually roll random numbers twice before you get your result.

The corrupt mother natures heart just throws down blight, dosn't really do anything else, is it not working?
Ill put in a "Use:"

 

[Daethz]

I wanted to ask you guys, would you like it if I threw all of the starting tips into a quest, or would you rather have them display when the game begins to push it into the face of noobs?
They feel repetitive and annoying to me, but most of my testing takes place in the first minute of booting the map so my experience isn't normal.

 

[DrakPanda]

The lottery scratchoff tickets seem to all be fine and uniform, are those two giving too many wins? Anyway I threw in a second random number generation, so every time you play it will actually roll random numbers twice before you get your result.

if they are working all intentionally then the descriptions are off
for the blue red green tickets
they have increase in reward and increase in odds
while the rest give increase in reward but decrease in odds as i assume it should be

The corrupt mother natures heart just throws down blight, dosn't really do anything else, is it not working?
Ill put in a "Use:"

the item has no description of laying blight, also i dont think it actually works since i have test fired in random locations including trees, and nothing accoured

I wanted to ask you guys, would you like it if I threw all of the starting tips into a quest, or would you rather have them display when the game begins to push it into the face of noobs?
They feel repetitive and annoying to me, but most of my testing takes place in the first minute of booting the map so my experience isn't normal.

tips as a quest would be good to have for then it would always be available to go back and read
but having it at start is fine if u want both they are not in the way as they are now ( if looking for guys response dont take my word alone i dont speak behalf of anyone, this is all my personal observations )
also if all the testing is done in the first minute i hope all the spawn cheats are removed, last thing we need is some one digging up the triggers again and abusing said codes, havent seen this for many patches though

 

[Daethz]

if they are working all intentionally then the descriptions are off
for the blue red green tickets
they have increase in reward and increase in odds
while the rest give increase in reward but decrease in odds as i assume it should be



the item has no description of laying blight, also i dont think it actually works since i have test fired in random locations including trees, and nothing accoured



tips as a quest would be good to have for then it would always be available to go back and read
but having it at start is fine if u want both they are not in the way as they are now ( if looking for guys response dont take my word alone i dont speak behalf of anyone, this is all my personal observations )
also if all the testing is done in the first minute i hope all the spawn cheats are removed, last thing we need is some one digging up the triggers again and abusing said codes, haven't seen this for many patches though

I see.
I guess ill test the blight, if it doesn't work ill just remove the ability and use until i think of something better.
Theres no chance of things being used to cheat, i just spawn a hero when i need it and delete it when im done with the test, things like that.
If i ever forgot to remove one it would be pretty noticeable.

 

[Daethz]

I just rushed 6.2.4 out the door, im hoping the dozens of memory leaks I have patched alleviates that later game crashing issue, more leak fixes are on the way.

I didn't do anything with the tips in 6.2.4, I will in the next patch unless im forced to rush it out to repair a crashing issue, speaking of which the Lich crashing issue should be resolved, my own testing of it had no crashes.

Repairing the rest of the memory leaks is #1 on my agenda, followed by fixing the blacksmith item combination refund issue.

 

[DrakPanda]

first 6.2.4 run

-selectionfix made no difference best way to fix it is click on a doodad then click on shop and works fine

bug
some one gets a job, gets in vehicle and then leaves game, the next person who claims said job can unload hero from vehicle and get additional hero only works with preset vehicles at start of game since the original owner is the town

 

[Daethz]

first 6.2.4 run

-selectionfix made no difference best way to fix it is click on a doodad then click on shop and works fine

bug
some one gets a job, gets in vehicle and then leaves game, the next person who claims said job can unload hero from vehicle and get additional hero only works with preset vehicles at start of game since the original owner is the town

Turns out the town took control of all of his units when he leaves the game before the hero got deleted, swapped the two.

 

[Daethz]

When your selection bugs out are there a bunch of people killing things in the forest?
I'm starting to wonder if so many wait functions for mob re-spawns could be to blame
I'm going to try to prune some unnecessary ones just in case along with my leak fixing.

 

[DrakPanda]

no its as soon as the game starts clikcing on shops or the spell shops, the bug causes you to instantly deselect the shop and if you click it again you cant interact with it

maybe it cause the shops are owned by town and not nuetral?
no idea really but its there also it doesnt happen when theres 5 or less players

 

[Daethz]

no its as soon as the game starts clikcing on shops or the spell shops, the bug causes you to instantly deselect the shop and if you click it again you cant interact with it

maybe it cause the shops are owned by town and not nuetral?
no idea really but its there also it doesnt happen when theres 5 or less players

Does it ever happen with neutral passive shops?

 

[DrakPanda]

unknown i dont think there are any on the map, this is a bug that was common a while ago and i only ever see it on your map now days

 

[Me_lo_dy]

It'd be nice if there was some way to remove zombies and aliens from the map once triggered. Maybe a final research from Area 52 that can toggle them on and off? Not sure how aliens would work.

It'd also be nice if there was some way to make certain items unavailable or make secret heroes not as strong so that it's feasible to actually RP in the game and not just have one person PvEing while the whole lobby is supposed to be RPing instead.

 

[DrakPanda]

It'd be nice if there was some way to remove zombies and aliens from the map once triggered. Maybe a final research from Area 52 that can toggle them on and off? Not sure how aliens would work.

aliens can simply be killed off they wont respawn

zombies can be eradicated from the map via a z-blaster item with a hero from going through area 52 research, also anything with chemical type attacks will kill a zombie with out it reviving, dont feed the horde and make it bigger, containment is key

 

[Daethz]

unknown i dont think there are any on the map, this is a bug that was common a while ago and i only ever see it on your map now days

in 6.2.5 im converting most of the vendors in the town to passive instead of town.
I'm removing a ton of trigger waits from the game as i hear a unconfirmed rumor they cause desync issues, and im going to finish cleaning up the leaks.
Also im going to try to double down on ensuring that heros can't be retained when people leave.
Im going to try teleporting the hero and then deleting him, if that fails ill just have all vehicles owned by the leaving player die followed by his hero being deleted, if i have to.

 

[Pinzu]

Unit Naming System 1.2 Maybe allow players to rename their units? *Shameless self promotion* If you need help just message me. Should work for GUI too ^^.

 

[Daethz]

unknown i dont think there are any on the map, this is a bug that was common a while ago and i only ever see it on your map now days

Weird
I'm going to release 6.2.5, has some substantial changes in code already, im hoping it will have some sort of impact on the selection bug, oh and that hero car bug should be squashed completely.

It'd be nice if there was some way to remove zombies and aliens from the map once triggered. Maybe a final research from Area 52 that can toggle them on and off? Not sure how aliens would work.

It'd also be nice if there was some way to make certain items unavailable or make secret heroes not as strong so that it's feasible to actually RP in the game and not just have one person PvEing while the whole lobby is supposed to be RPing instead.

In a more recent version of the map zombies are much easier to fight, as any unit can kill them with a 10% chance, or you can get some dedicated units with 100% kill chances.

I am actually working on reducing the power of late game items and heros, its a very difficult process, would have been far easier if i had kept a spreadsheet of all of the items in the game

Unit Naming System 1.2 Maybe allow players to rename their units? *Shameless self promotion* If you need help just message me. Should work for GUI too ^^.

Potentially, I wonder if that would screw with unit-type based trigger conditions though, this is something I would consider after my to-do list is done.

 

[Daethz]

Unless any more major bugs or exploits are discovered im going to slow down releases, and hopefully the next patch i bring you is 6.3

 

[Me_lo_dy]

Could we add this into the game? It can be annoying to hear "OUR ALLY IS UNDER ATTACK" every minute on the minute from, say, the doctor's office.

Maybe add it as a command in case it's important (ie, if drug/mafia are cooperating and need to know if the cops are making a move on their partner)?

It's not some major glitch so it's no problem to wait, but still.

 

[DrakPanda]

nuetral buildings did not fix selection bug

however the increased fog of war made the city for interesting in my opinion

no idea how to fix the selection bug, im sure some one on hive remembers how to fix it
people still trying to easy farm doc and graveyard via turret? perhaps make it hero kill only like the chickens