June, Keep Hive Alive

[Ralle]

Hello everyone!
As all of you know, hiveworkshop.com is kept alive by us all. The server bill is paid by donations every month. The monthly fee is 90$ which none of us can afford, so we would like everyone to submit as much money as they feel is right. Cause we are in debt and the monthly fee of june will soon be requested of us to pay.

About the donations of may. Good job everyone! By those money I was able to pay the server bill and pay some of the debt from the old server.
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Ralle

 

[MrHoon]

If you wait for me till June 15th I can help you pay...
Damn you number 17!

 

[Ralle]

that'd be awesome. Everything's better than nothing.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I has no muneys to pay.
If I did, I don't have a PayPal account anyways.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

does the google ads still run on money per click?

 

[Wolverabid]

/me shoves a crowbar into his wallet and pries out ten bucks.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

well perhaps we could suggest to people to click on the adds to generate money. would it be possible to get some kind of money counter so we know how much has been made from clicks? are you allowed to click the ads just to raise money?

 

[Wolverabid]

[off topic]

well perhaps we could suggest to people to click on the adds to generate money. would it be possible to get some kind of money counter so we know how much has been made from clicks? are you allowed to click the ads just to raise money?

NO WAY GST.

The Hive WILL NOT promote or recommend that users click on links provided by Bidvertiser or any other company with whom we publish.

Links that support the site are optional: users are always free to browse them, or not.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

ah right, didnt realise that wasnt allowed. well hopefully there will be enough donations.

 

[Ralle]

you can always help us!

 

[Shados]

NO WAY GST.

The Hive WILL NOT promote or recommend that users click on links provided by Bidvertiser or any other company with whom we publish.

Links that support the site are optional: users are always free to browse them, or not.

The Hive might not, but what if it's users promote clicking on the ads?

-*meow*

 

[Teh_Ephy]

OH. My. Fucking. God.
Click That! ==>Free Download Games - Games On Your Computer - iWin.com<== Click that!
These posts got me looking at them and this gem was there. It fails so hard it just can't help but win a little; they're all casual games, and mostly not free.

 

[Samuraid]

Simply clicking on the ads to get more income is not ethical and it actually causes them to make less money. If people start clicking on ads just to gain more income, the advertizing companies make less money per click and thus pay less money to the sites that are running the ads.

The best way to look at it: click the ad if you truly find it interesting, but don't click it just to increase the count.

 

[Rui]

I'm sure I had posted a reminder to vote for the Hive Workshop... might be wrong...

Anyway, Vote for The Hive!

Good luck with June, Ralle.

 

[NearbyHermit]

What will happen if we dont earn enough money?Will THW dissapear?

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Then THW will go on a crappy server and become the next Wc3sear.ch.

 

[Rui]

I still think 90$ is too much money. With only those downtimes, it should be cut to half or less!

 

[GST_Nemisis]

[Off Topic]

when my clans CSS server when down for like a week we got really mad and complained so they gave us the next month free. if you complain, you often recieve

 

[SuPa-]

I'd donate money, but I'm only a 14 year old >.<

 

[ZypherXII]

I agree with Samuraid, random clicking on the ads out of interest won't raise any money. Anyways, advertising companiens like bidvertiser and google ads has scripts to detect "invalid clicks" (clicks not of particulair interest of the ad).

Concerning what would happen if donations stopped. Well i guess that THW would go back to shared hosting instead of dedicated server.

I would absolutly not like too see that happen to THW, so you've got my monthly donation Ralle ^^ ..

Keep The Hive alive everyone

 

[Ralle]

amen to that!

 

[Clord]

This is maybe last site with bit activity and keeping Warcraft III community up (besides DotA community). It just tells fact that RTS genre is not that popular compared to MMORPG/RPG/FPS genres. Many DotA players not even know what is Warcraft III and yet play DotA map actively.

 

[ZypherXII]

This is maybe last site with bit activity and keeping Warcraft III community up (besides DotA community). It just tells fact that RTS genre is not that popular compared to MMORPG/RPG/FPS genres. Many DotA players not even know what is Warcraft III and yet play DotA map actively.

100% agreed.. This is why we definately gotta keep this site running

 

[LordDz]

90$ for a month? Man, that's a LOT of money. Get a lower or change server to a cheaper.

 

[brad.dude03]

As I have already explained, we CAN'T. I'm not going to bother to explain why, go figure it out yourself.

 

[Ralle]

[Off Topic]

when my clans CSS server when down for like a week we got really mad and complained so they gave us the next month free. if you complain, you often recieve

I only pay for the server's hardware and the bandwidth. The rest is my own problem.
It's not their problem some1 is hitting our server or overloading it. It's my own.

 

[Herio-san]

Hey ralle, isnt there a way to redirect traffic to keep people from spamming links? I remember reading something about avoiding overloads on servers. Ill see if I can dig anything up.. If I remember correctly its something like, they click a link - get redirected to another site - that site directs them to the page they wanted to see. Then it crashes the other page and thw remains ok. Ionno, thats probably not right, not to mention that would make it very slow.. anyway I'll try to find the article I read...

 

[Rui]

That would be most appreciated. These downtimes must stop, to make the price at least a bit more worthy.

 

[Herio-san]

I'll try my best. I have to go somewhere tonight (job interview) so I might not get to it till tomorrow. You're free to look for it though. Im sure you can probably find the link to the article on google.

 

[brad.dude03]

That would be most appreciated. These downtimes must stop, to make the price at least a bit more worthy.

.... what downtimes? To my knowledge we haven'y experienced (at least I haven't) had any problems since the Great 503 Crisis of 2006-2007.

 

[Kimbo]

I have at least 1-3 downtimes a day here, like i cant enter the site or it wont load for like 2-5minutes.

 

[brad.dude03]

Well mebe that's cuz your conexshuns to teh intrawebs is the shit?

 

[Herio-san]

Its doubtful that it is just our connections seeing as I have a cable modum (running at 100mbps) and that its affecting more than one of us. Perhaps we can get to the root of the problem by routing out what the problem is not.

Its not based off our location (my first thought) because wulf is also experiencing the problem and she is in Australia - I'm in the US - donno where rui is.
It may be Internet Explorer (I run IE 10.0, dont know what others are running, brad? rui? wulf?)
It may just be the site (Perhaps you dont refresh often enough to notice the downtimes brad?)

Anyway, Im not pointing fingers at anybody just trying to help move towards a conclusion about the issue of server downtime. However, im afraid I may be straying from the original topic.

Edit: Also, does anyone know what company we are going through for server hosting? Or at least the name of the site. (Not v-bulliten, I know thats what the forums are run through) Also, do you know if they have performed any server upgrades recently? (If you dont mind my asking, also which package are we paying for?)

Edit 2: It may also be possible (depending on the actual location of the server) that we might be losing data packets and are experiencing a sort of "lag". Of course, a ping would check that up real quick.

Edit 3: Well I just played Ping pong with The hive workshop. My average time was 57 ms (max = 63, Min 46) and 0 of the 4 packets were lost (0%). That may just be because the server is near empty right now. I'll check it again tomorrow during a prime time though.

 

[Kimbo]

Well mebe that's cuz your conexshuns to teh intrawebs is the shit?

No Brad. bad.

My connection doesn't cause problems for pretty much everyone on the server.

 

[Samuraid]

As many have brought up, $90 is not expensive for a good dedicated server; in fact, it's cheap! Most higher end dedicated boxes are $200+ per month (some of them are $500 a month or more!)

Anything cheaper would likely not be able to handle the site's traffic.

 

[Ralle]

Indeed.
The site is getting A LOT of traffic, and it often overloads the server which causes it to restart so it wont crash.

 

[brad.dude03]

Well, lucky for me then, because I haven't experienced any problems. Maybe because i'm on at odd times of the day due to my Eastern Timezone-age?

And Herio, it's spelt 'modem' and since most of the United States has either Dial-Up, DSL, or 1.5 MB "Broadband" I HIGHLY doubt that you have a 100 MBPS line, unless you are using a Universities connection, and even then... it would have to be a very, very, very good university....

 

[Ralle]

What will happen if we dont earn enough money?Will THW dissapear?

It won't disappear. It will lower in quality.

Simply clicking on the ads to get more income is not ethical and it actually causes them to make less money. If people start clicking on ads just to gain more income, the advertizing companies make less money per click and thus pay less money to the sites that are running the ads.

The best way to look at it: click the ad if you truly find it interesting, but don't click it just to increase the count.

That's what we want!

 

[Rui]

I use Mozilla Firefox.

So, the multiple clicks is the cause, or is it the restart of the server?

 

[Herio-san]

lol brad. My mistake, I know how to spell modem, it was just late when I wrote that. And my cable does run at 100mbps (the only thing is that 100 is divided between 3-4 computers and the max that my computer recieves is 54mbps through wireless). Anyway, its good to know that the server restarts instead of crashing, but its still a little annoying and should be avoidable.

 

[Samuraid]

lol brad. My mistake, I know how to spell modem, it was just late when I wrote that. And my cable does run at 100mbps (the only thing is that 100 is divided between 3-4 computers and the max that my computer recieves is 54mbps through wireless). Anyway, its good to know that the server restarts instead of crashing, but its still a little annoying and should be avoidable.

Are you sure the 100Mbps isn't just the speed of the FastEthernet connection from the modem to your router/computers?

Even though the cable modem may connect to your network at 100Mbps, the actual speed at which the cable modem operates is generally a lot less (most are 10Mbps downstream, or less).

 

[Rui]

I just had another downtime, I could only acess the Hive now.

 

[The Last Istari]

Actually, I live in the USA, and I have 100 mbps

But I have satellite so...

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

The downtime lenghts usually aren't that bad, people should be able to survive without the hive for a few hours.

 

[brad.dude03]

Actually, I live in the USA, and I have 100 mbps

But I have satellite so...

I HIGHLY doubt this. Unless you are loaded, your internet conenction is not that fast. It costs roughly 100 USD per month for an 18 mbps connection. 100 is unthinkable expensive, and I am almost positive that it is not available. Out of curiosity though, what is your ISP?

As Samuraid said, I think that you are both confusing the actual speed of your internet connection with that of your network card or router. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get 100 mbps from a satelite connection.

Rui: I also noticed the downtime. This is the first since the 503 that I've had to deal with though.

We'll have to see what Ralle has to say on this matter.

Ralle: We wouldn't necessarily be lower quality... we wouldn't be able to run feasably. Unless we manage to find a shared host that works, or find a way to make our website work under a shared host, we would continue to recieve problems like the 503. The site would be lower quality though in the sense that it would be a lot slower, although nowhere near as slow as wc3s was.

 

[Herio-san]

Perhaps you are correct. *shrugs* regardless it doesn't really matter does it? The point was, my connection isnt the reason Im experiencing downtime at THW. Besides, I did say my modUm (lol) runs at 100 mbps. lol.

Edit: Samuraid, you are correct btw. It is my modems connection speed (which is what I originally said, braddude just got me off subject lol)

Anyway, this is getting really far off topic so lets get back to talking about the server payments and possible methods for lowering server downtime

Edit 2: 2 screenies just for your brad

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I frequently am unable to access THW but I just go play something random that will only take a few minutes. Then I refresh and my world is whole again.

 

[brad.dude03]

Herio, that's your network interface card. Your actual internet connection, though, is far less.

 

[SuPa-]

My mom's computer's internet speed is 100 mbps (non-wireless)
My laptop's it usually around 36-48mpbs (wireless)

I usually get atleast 2 downtimes a day. Some only last minutes, while others last a few hours

 

[Rui]

They are really annoying nonetheless. Specially when you're posting something useful, and it goes down the drain. Fortunately, I always save my messages somewhere...