Journey Through Twisted Meadows v4.4

[Opex]

Hey thanks for the reply! Sucks you didn't make it past human. It is a very difficult map and I totally understand the concerns. If I had time to play with the triggers to skip some scenes I will give it a shot, but not really in my toolbox of knowledge so it is a bit overwhelming. I hope you give it a go another time and see if you can make it further! Medivh does not drop any key to go to the night elf base... key is under water fall to go to the area with heretics and hydra.

 

[Footman16]

Hey thanks for the reply! Sucks you didn't make it past human. It is a very difficult map and I totally understand the concerns. If I had time to play with the triggers to skip some scenes I will give it a shot, but not really in my toolbox of knowledge so it is a bit overwhelming. I hope you give it a go another time and see if you can make it further! Medivh does not drop any key to go to the night elf base... key is under water fall to go to the area with heretics and hydra.

That's what I'm saying no key appeared anywhere I checked multiple times.

 

[Opex]

The key *can* be destroyed. I have played hundreds of times and never seen the key not appear. The trigger is at the end of scene at the waterfall, which there are no variables like other trigger possibilities to not leave the key. If the waterfall scene happens, even if the key is blocked, the key will still be left right before units are unpaused.

 

[Footman16]

Then shouldn't these important items be made invulnerable?

 

[Opex]

Yes they should be. But there's only 2 people that have given me feedback over the last year so I have no idea what problems others are facing. And because you brought it to my attention that people accidently kill their important items, I will make that change. Cheers.

EDIT: I found the key in the rock and not very noticeable. I moved it out a little for v3.7.

 

[segaa]

What is Journey Through Twisted Meadows?

Spoiler

It is a great rpg map made by a great mapper.

What Went Well: The map is fun and interesting.

What went wrong: Nothing at the moment I can think.

well dome, this is great. 5/5

 

[Opex]

Thanks segaa for the review! Finally got that first all illusive 5 star review! I put a lot of work into this map, so I am honored. Cheers!

 

[xcube.pm]

this is a good map. Great job!

 

[Opex]

Thanks xcube for playing!

 

[Tanni]

Hello!
Me and my friend played through your map (for the 2nd time now, disconnection problems you know) and while it is fun we encountered a pretty huge problem. I think this is caused by a fade filter, but hovering over things won't display tooltips. Health bars do not appear, hovering over abilities or items won't tell me what they do. It's only when we reached the Marine part (area filled with Starcraft marines) that we believe there was another fade filter, as soon as the cutscene for the Marines was over we were able to see health bars, hover over things and see tooltips, the lot like that. Just wanted to bring that to your attention, I think the fade filter at a beginning cutscene (I believe the one with Medivh explaining your presence in Twisted Meadows) was the catalyst for that problem.

Other than that, while I do have a few problems with the map, I think it had somewhat decent progression and it's a lot of fun with a friend. Exploration is fun as well. I do wish some things were more different though. The item progression was steady until we reached a certain point, where items costing lumber went from 2 to 30 lumber, to a thousand. A lot of fun in an RPG or a dungeon crawler comes from getting new items and the like, and that progression essentially put our item progression to a halt. It would also be a lot nice if on the aftermath of the night elf base destruction, there was a clearer path or message indicating where to go next. Medivh did mention where to head to next, but I missed it and we spent a few minutes wandering around until I finally consulted a walkthrough, where it was made clear that the area behind the base was the next destination. Perhaps a few doodads to show the way? Something like that perhaps. Markers on the map indicating the way to go don't last too long so we probably missed that.

Anyway, I suppose the fade filter was the only big problem we encountered. Fun map otherwise!

 

[Opex]

Thanks Tanni for the detailed review. I will check out the fade filter issue as I don't want any problems associated, but I personally played hundreds of times and never once experienced it (did you play on reforged graphics?). Item progression never stops as you can find items all throughout the map (and look at previous locations where new paths opened), the only hiccup you may find is prices on items out of reach (on purpose). However, the required items to progress are NOT purchasable, but found (as hinted from everywhere from timed tooltips, to a help section in menu, etc). If you need lion's ring to fight arthas, fight in the arena until you accumulate enough resources to purchase this item. If an enemy is too strong, skip this enemy until you are prepared. Items literally never come to a halt, as right up to the fight with Kil'Jaeden you are finding divine claws and holy gauntlets (cannot beat Kil'Jaeden without these items, maybe even with these items still cannot win). The defeat of the elves bring up medivh explaining where to go, as well as a mini map ping that lasts 60 seconds showing you EXACTLY where it is, as well as the quest itself (in menu) telling you exactly where to progress (sorry if 3 ways of explaining where to go wasn't enough, please explain what I should do). Thanks for playing, and I will have to figure out the fade thing, Cheers!

 

[Tanni]

We were playing on classic. My friend doesn't own Reforged and I don't prefer playing maps on Reforged either.

I see your point with the items, I suppose we just didn't reach that point. For a time we weren't really progressing with items as the majority of mob drops during our play (again, we haven't completed the map due to disconnection issues) were tomes and items easily purchaseable from shop, like Claws +1000 and the like. Probably not too far into the game in your eyes, but just wanted to throw that in as at that point there was a little stagnation in item progression in my opinion.

On the next way to go after the Elven base destruction, I did mention Medivh calling upon its location but I hadn't seen it as I was skimming through his dialogue. Admittedly partially my fault. I do not recall viewing the Quests tab during that period, but early game when I viewed it a few times I only recall seeing information on side quests, so I must've brushed off the idea of finding the main objective there.

The markers on the map don't really last too long. They last a minute. We took note of that after awhile. Take a page, from say, Blizzard's book, where they make the markers last for as long as until the player reaches that destination. Other than dialogue or the Quests tab, showing the next path forward can also be done through the environment, such as doodads or terrain. For that though it's more of a suggestion. You can see this manner of invisible tutorials in a few other games, where areas are more notable due to their environment.

Really though in the end I think the markers lasting until the player reaches the destination is really my biggest suggestion. I hope I don't come off as harsh, as that's just what I think. Cheers.

 

[Opex]

Yeah, that is a good idea to keep up the minimap ping until you reach specified location. Sorry about the disconnects, the checkpoint codes (use after first speaking with Medivh/ before first Naga base) are TIER2CPUDGATE (to start at tier 2) and TIER3CPHUGATE (to start at tier 3). You can use these codes to bypass early game (which in total, it is more profitable to start at level 1, just much more time consuming). The late game is much more difficult. At level 100, it almost half way through the game. I hope you can give it another crack and try to beat it - or at least see how far you can get! Cheers again!

 

[GrapesOfWath]

needs some credits, no? I see some resources in use (one of them being a sound of mine) but no credits listed

EDIT: also, in case it wasn't resolved, the fade filter can absolutely cause tooltips and healthbars and stuff to not display properly, but there is an easy fix for it