Island Expedition Vrs. 1.5.1

[Thendar]

Even tho I havent played Island Expendition in WoW tho I had some fun playing this map.

Really nice esthetics, only small changes to the original gameplay but still enjoyable, good job on that.
I dont want to judge it on the fact that I played it Solo because it felt a bit slow like this but I believe with a full house it might be very nice.

Im not sure if thats only the case for me, but the naga tower seems to bug. It dies but its attack model stays, meaning something nonexistent attacks me.

Greetings from germany

 

[Babarella]

Even tho I havent played Island Expendition in WoW tho I had some fun playing this map.

Really nice esthetics, only small changes to the original gameplay but still enjoyable, good job on that.
I dont want to judge it on the fact that I played it Solo because it felt a bit slow like this but I believe with a full house it might be very nice.

Im not sure if thats only the case for me, but the naga tower seems to bug. It dies but its attack model stays, meaning something nonexistent attacks me.

Greetings from germany

Danke für´s tolle Feedback
Doing it alone is really slow and also you don´t have an Opponent, so your only way to loose is by dying 25 times. I´m gonna look into the Problem with the Tower.
Was it clear how to get azerite? Cause I thought it might be hard to figure out.
-Babarella wishes you good luck from southern Germany.

 

[Thendar]

Danke für´s tolle Feedback
Doing it alone is really slow and also you don´t have an Opponent, so your only way to loose is by dying 25 times. I´m gonna look into the Problem with the Tower.
Was it clear how to get azerite? Cause I thought it might be hard to figure out.
-Babarella wishes you good luck from southern Germany.

I think its really easy to figure out, it was atleat for me. Replacing the Gold with Azerite should be noticed quite quickly.

Do you see how much Azerite the opposing team has in WoW? I remember some gamemodes like that

 

[Babarella]

I think its really easy to figure out, it was atleat for me. Replacing the Gold with Azerite should be noticed quite quickly.

Do you see how much Azerite the opposing team has in WoW? I remember some gamemodes like that

I tried to create a leaderboard so that you can see everyones Azerite like in WoW. The Problem is that all Azerite is given to Player red/violett. This means that the other Players cant see how many Azerite you´ve already collected. So if you know how to create a leaderboard showing a Players Gold Id be more than happy.
-Babsi

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Should be able to skip the intro.
2. The Select Hero ability's hotkey is E but that doesn't work. Also it has a passive looking icon and no DISBTN (looking green on F10/game pause). You can fix those with these:
   Button Manager v1.8.2
   BLP Lab v0.5.0
   Complete Icon Tutorial - All About Icons
   How to Make an Icon
3. Only Warcraft III spells. Why not try to make the WoW ones or something different?
4. A credits list is required in the map thread description. It says you've used these resources: Resources in Use by Island Expedition | HIVE
5. Find a replacement for the Azerite block/destructible and the item it spawns or request someone to create a death animation for that model (Requests) as they remain on the ground for quite a while and might create confusion unless the cursor is place over them to realize they are not there anymore.
6. Azerite is called Gold up on the UI. You can change that name in the options near Gameplay Constants.
7. Near the turtles in the east, there's an invisible something that shoots electric balls at you. Also near the turtles in the northeast. Maybe because they are hidden Tidal Guardians which become unhidden after a while?
   
8. Some naga remain neutral.
9. The Goblin Sapper is not invulnerable like other neutral units.
10. "You did it..." spamming.

It has potential but it's heavily dependent on Warcraft III original material. Some spells seem just there to be there because they come with the original heroes that have them.

Awaiting Update.

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[Babarella]

1. Should be able to skip the intro.
2. The Select Hero ability's hotkey is E but that doesn't work. Also it has a passive looking icon and no DISBTN (looking green on F10/game pause). You can fix those with these:
   Button Manager v1.8.2
   BLP Lab v0.5.0
   Complete Icon Tutorial - All About Icons
   How to Make an Icon
3. Only Warcraft III spells. Why not try to make the WoW ones or something different?
4. A credits list is required in the map thread description. It says you've used these resources: Resources in Use by Island Expedition | HIVE
5. Find a replacement for the Azerite block/destructible and the item it spawns or request someone to create a death animation for that model (Requests) as they remain on the ground for quite a while and might create confusion unless the cursor is place over them to realize they are not there anymore.
6. Azerite is called Gold up on the UI. You can change that name in the options near Gameplay Constants.
7. Near the turtles in the east, there's an invisible something that shoots electric balls at you. Also near the turtles in the northeast. Maybe because they are hidden Tidal Guardians which become unhidden after a while?
   
8. Some naga remain neutral.
9. The Goblin Sapper is not invulnerable like other neutral units.
10. "You did it..." spamming.

It has potential but it's heavily dependent on Warcraft III original material. Some spells seem just there to be there because they come with the original heroes that have them.

Awaiting Update.

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Description Guide - Maps
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Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

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A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

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Thx, gonna look into it.

 

[deepstrasz]

1. There's no need to have a different hero selection icon/ability for each faction. Humans have the proper hotkey though R.
2. Some spells like Tornado are useless while others too strong like Avatar, Reincarnation etc. Balance the spells if you really want to use the normal Warcraft III ones.
3. Refrain from "jokes" like that of Elizabeth's unit name ("stupid..."). Leave a hero rank instead for each hero.
4. WERT hotkeys for spells for ease of use.

All in all, you should think of spells and how they affect the game. Some heroes are much stronger or useful than others.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Island Expedition)

 

[Babarella]

1. There's no need to have a different hero selection icon/ability for each faction. Humans have the proper hotkey though R.
2. Some spells like Tornado are useless while others too strong like Avatar, Reincarnation etc. Balance the spells if you really want to use the normal Warcraft III ones.
3. Refrain from "jokes" like that of Elizabeth's unit name ("stupid..."). Leave a hero rank instead for each hero.
4. WERT hotkeys for spells for ease of use.

All in all, you should think of spells and how they affect the game. Some heroes are much stronger or useful than others.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Island Expedition)

Just as a side note: Reincarnation is already removed.
Also I left in the original wc3 spells, cause you don´t have that much time to look into them and I don´t understand why everything has to be custom all the time.

-Babarella

 

[deepstrasz]

Just as a side note: Reincarnation is removed

You are hurrying when updating. You aren't giving enough thought beforehand. For instance, the Dark Ranger's Charm can be abused by gathering units near towers to form a small army.
Please, consider more than 1-2 things before updating.

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EDIT:
-there's still a Tidal Guardian (since you wrote you've removed them) in the northeast up a ramp on a cliff near an azerite camp.
-azerite formations can be destroyed during the night without the neutral units engaging (intended?).
-azerite formations and what comes out of their destruction look too similar to the fountains and there's at least one fountain on the map.
-the orc warrior has storm bolt/firebolt a spell the Mountain King has. That's not original. Try diversifying spells, every hero to have their own spells, unique ones at least if actual custom ones are not made.
-there's a potion of healing hidden by trees somewhere in the center but it can be reached.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Island Expedition)

 

[Babarella]

You are hurrying when updating. You aren't giving enough thought beforehand. For instance, the Dark Ranger's Charm can be abused by gathering units near towers to form a small army.
Please, consider more than 1-2 things before updating.

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EDIT:
-there's still a Tidal Guardian (since you wrote you've removed them) in the northeast up a ramp on a cliff near an azerite camp.
-azerite formations can be destroyed during the night without the neutral units engaging (intended?).
-azerite formations and what comes out of their destruction look too similar to the fountains and there's at least one fountain on the map.
-the orc warrior has storm bolt/firebolt a spell the Mountain King has. That's not original. Try diversifying spells, every hero to have their own spells, unique ones at least if actual custom ones are not made.
-there's a potion of healing hidden by trees somewhere in the center but it can be reached.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Island Expedition)

1. The one Tidal Guardian is intended
2. I thought I switched of the day and night circle, cause it works for me. Gonna look into that.
3. Do u have an idea for a model? The fountain is the best one I could find.
4. I think that this sort of spell is acceptable (Also the Tauren Warrior also has some semi custom spells)
5. Glad u found my "Secret"

 

[deepstrasz]

3. Do u have an idea for a model? The fountain is the best one I could find

Try some custom stuff Models | HIVE

4. I think that this sort of spell is acceptable (Also the Tauren Warrior also has some semi custom spells)

If you decide to use normal Warcraft III spells, make them have sense on each hero, each hero should have a role: strong hero, support hero, high damage hero, spell caster etc. (each with vulnerabilities and feats). Don't repeat them (spells/abilities) among heroes.

And please make that intro skippable. It serves no useful purpose. It doesn't even present the gameplay.

I mean, I can just approve this map since it's pretty much working and not bad but I don't like people getting lazy or unoriginal. It's why I try to push them do more stuff to improve their maps in a way it matters more.

 

[Babarella]

Try some custom stuff Models | HIVE

If you decide to use normal Warcraft III spells, make them have sense on each hero, each hero should have a role: strong hero, support hero, high damage hero, spell caster etc. (each with vulnerabilities and feats). Don't repeat them (spells/abilities) among heroes.

And please make that intro skippable. It serves no useful purpose. It doesn't even present the gameplay.

I mean, I can just approve this map since it's pretty much working and not bad but I don't like people getting lazy or unoriginal. It's why I try to push them do more stuff to improve their maps in a way it matters more.

Hi, again.
I tried to make the Intro skippable, but I didn´t know how to. Gonna work at it.
Also I really want to improve this map, so that people can have fun, but I also don´t think that EVRYTHING has to be 100% custom. With the heroes I´m trying to make them feel like from WoW. (For example a Shaman with totems and bl). But it´s nice, that u want to motivate people. I like that.
-LG Babsi

 

[deepstrasz]

I tried to make the Intro skippable, but I didn´t know how to. Gonna work at it.

Making Cinematics Skippable

Also I really want to improve this map, so that people can have fun, but I also don´t think that EVRYTHING has to be 100% custom. With the heroes I´m trying to make them feel like from WoW. (For example a Shaman with totems and bl). But it´s nice, that u want to motivate people. I like that.

Well, if they are correctly mirrored (like in WoW), then OK.

 

[Babarella]

Making Cinematics Skippable

Well, if they are correctly mirrored (like in WoW), then OK.

Just wanted to say that I´m probably not gonna upload for a while, cause I´m just not really in the mood for the Level Editor. Gonna Focus a Little on writing for a time. Don´t know when I´m gonna update this map, but it won´t be to far in the future.
-Babsi

 

[deepstrasz]

Any improvements from what the reviews say?

 

[Babarella]

Any improvements from what the reviews say?

Hei Ho,
Not really I think. I was working on some additional islands and making new heroes with more custom spells lately.
I´ll try and go into some of the critique.

- Babsi

 

[deepstrasz]

Minor update but I guess it can pass.

Approved.