Hidden things in WC3

[Tr!KzZ]

Ok i dont know in which forum i shall post this one, could be the model forum but its not really about models with modify and so. or in maps cuz i just want to know how to get them out of a map. so mods arent that angry about me ^_^

ok here is my problem, wc3 has hidden doodads,units,ability,icons and so one when u open the editor and for example want to change a model type of a unit u can click on it and choose from some different ones like doodads,units,ability and so on, the one i have seen is in "extra" and is a video model illidan the statue for example if i want to "export" them out of the map so that i could add some other things or just to have it seperate for some reasen.... how could i do this.

i have wc3 vierwer and searched a long time but never found the file called: extra/doodads/cinematics/illidan.mdl or something like that. its similar with the first part but i dont know the exactly name of it .. whatever it would be great if osmeone could help me to export those "hidden, or extra" files

 

[qwerty]

rui already posted a huge list of it

 

[Mecheon]

Don't see why'd you want ot touch that huge polygon count model, but if you do then just make a new unit in WE, set its model to that, click ok, then open the model field again, and down the bottom will be its path

 

[-=Emergenzy=-]

Try open War3x.mpq and not War3.mpq

All models skins, icons and more, from Froze Throne belongs to War3x.mpq

 

[Tr!KzZ]

ok i will try the wc3x.mpq lol never mind on the second file of wc3 lol

ok i search there maybe i found what i want, thx guys

EDIT: lol i found it but now i cant open it lol i can open the other ones like the frozen throne or rockin' arthas but when i try to open the illidan vs arthas my wc3 viewer crashes :'( could u try pls to open it by urself and tell me if u get the same errors ?!

 

[Mecheon]

Its crashing cause its too big for it to handel

Offhand why do you want to touch that model? Its polycount is through the roof and I would never even use it in WC3, unless I wanted to cause someone's computer to, I don't know, explode?

 

[Tr!KzZ]

Thats sounds senseless for me, cuz its a normal model from wc3 and i have placed it like 20 times in a map and load it and no crash no lag nothing... i just seen the both models arthas and illidan and they look good i just want to seperate them from the background and use them as normal models because the look very nice instead of the "normal ingame ones"
wonder why blizzard made the models from the game so ugly, i mean they look good , but the hands looks like cubes or a pyramid and that sucks i have seen many good models like the ninja from black_stan and its only 200kb big and haven that ugly hands or faces it just looks perfect thats whay all love his model experience and works ... dont u think that too?

 

[N00byStance]

90% of that 200 kb was TEXTURE.

Why the hands look like cubes? Because from standard game camera view hands are alsmot unrecognizable (i mean there is no diference if they were cubes or hands-like). And of course it is 10-20-etc. polygons less...

 

[Tr!KzZ]

u can ignore polygons i dont know what they do or what they would do in the game. but i know they dont increase the kb cuz ive seen a model with 2k polys and was 200kb and see one with 100 polys which was 200kb so what are so important at these... and hey everyone would like to see good models in game because if u often play wc3 and looks very often at these models u found things u never seen before. like the hands, or the heads or some times the hairs are just a small thing from above u see hair from the side u cant see them cuz they are too tall ...

 

[Mecheon]

Warcraft can only handle around 3000 polygons for a single unit

I've seen some people talk of using 10,000 polygon models, but that type of abuse would probably kill most computers, and they don't use them to play with, only to test their limits

I am NOT going to tell you how to get that model

Blizzard use those "ugly" models because they have to keep the polygon rate low in order for computers

Polygons are what make up models. You can't ignore them. Hence why there's no way you'd honestly be able to use that Illidan model as a normal model without having to, I don't know, buff your system up heaps?

So what if you can place a lot of normal units? They're only around 200 polygons or so. Go and try placing more than one of the cinimatic Illidan models and tell me how slow your system goes

 

[Tr!KzZ]

i told u before in a earlier post that i have open a new mpa in the editor with the normal size and i placed it like 100 times and hostet it on b.net just for fun and mine and the pc of my friend havent lagged or crashed or anything else... and the ninja or other good looking models hvent that much polys so why cant blizzard make such good models with low polys?!

 

[Mecheon]

Blizzard have heaps of good low-poly models. Namely EVERYTHING that is normal in WC3

The Cinimatic Illidan is not exactly MENT to be used in Warcraft

And even if I did tell you how to extract it, you couldn't do anything with it. It doesn't have any bones

 

[Tr!KzZ]

The Cinimatic Illidan is not exactly MENT to be used in Warcraft

so why is he in the game just for the cinematics?! and in which one i havent seen him in one of them :/

the mainly thing because i want this is they look great the hairs of arthas are flewing in the wind and the illidan looks also great and the wings, mainly good models which should be used in wc3 i think, would it be sooo hard and laggy for any1 to use them as models in game?!

but hey what could i do?! nothing so i just can hope and wait maybe some1 use the model give em bones and reduce the mb size or whatever to do that they lagg less....

 

[Mecheon]

It wouldn't have any flowing hair if you worked with it

Because of the limitations of the WC3 model format, all the things that will happan are controlled by the bones. No dynamic positioning of things like hair

You'd need to reduce the polycount. By heaps. And that would be too much work

Even though, its probably just a WoW based model. But it would still be pretty bad looking ingame. As in, wouldn't fit in at all type bad. And the whole no-one could really be bothered giving it bones cause its so much funner to play around with dragons rather than the NE half demon and the stupid undead

 

[Tr!KzZ]

Yea u are right, it was just a idea about it cuz i saw it and liked it but i see it isnt possible without much work to make this models playable, anyway thx for ur posts ^_^, and yea i also like dragons and other custom heroes /models more then the undead or the half demon one lol, thx for ur interesting posts and i hope the site will see more and more of great models like stans ninjas they look awesome...

Tr!KzZ