Halo 3 is the new tool of conversion?

[Preskooldude]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/us/07halo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all
Anyone have any comments on how preachers are using Halo 3 to attract teens over to the church?

 

[PurplePoot]

Win.

'Nuff said.

Brilliant strategy, I must say, and it would probably be 100% successful if not for the media.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

And who ever said religious fanatics are stupid?

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I have grown to hate evangelism.

Halo shoudl be used to have fun blowing the crap out of your opponent. Not religious conversion.

“We have to find something that these kids are interested in doing that doesn’t involve drugs or alcohol or premarital sex.”

*bangs head into a wall repeatedly*

 

[PurplePoot]

You don't have to agree with their principles or goals to respect a brilliant move.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

*bangs head into a wall repeatedly*

LOLOLOLOL!!! funny man! +rep!!!

evangelism would fail in england, trying to get rid of two (booze and sex) of the things that are just common place.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Though yes, it is a brilliant trap for idiots.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ha

Oh man, that is just funny.

 

[Elenai]

Nothing wrong with it that I can see. Simply sharing faith over a game.

It does seem like a clever way to share the Gospel.

Of course I do not believe that video games are causing violence and...ect,ect,ect.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Of course I do not believe that video games are causing violence and...ect,ect,ect.

violence in video games?!?!? its the only thing stoping me from blowing stuff up in real life.

 

[Elenai]

EXACTLY!!!! The real cause for things like school violence is not violent movies or games...Its bullying in most cases.

And a good round of explosives and massive volleys of rocket fire is a sure way to relieve one of built up anger.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

True. I can attest that randomly blowing virtual shit up is pretty good for relieving stress.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

And fun.

That's why I think games should stay unrealistic, or at least exaggerated...

 

[TheDivineBoss]

If Halo keeps getting bigger with this rate, I bet they even make a freaking church for it, like they did with Spongbob! They build a freaking CHURCH AND RELIGION FOR HIM! AH MA GOD! But hey I think Killzone 2 will own Halo 3's sorry ass, and hard.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Then the Haloists will kick the Killzonist's asses, because Killzone has a miniscule fanbase compared to Halo's.

Then all PS3 fanboys will finally grow and start using actual arguments on why the 360 sucks, instead of raging around insulting everyone like an idiotic 12 year old.

PS3 sucks.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

PS3 sucks.

i dont own a ps3 or xbox, so im not a fan boy, but i work in a games shop and i know for a fact that the ps3 is better in almost everyway than the xbox. as far as i am aware there is only one component (the bus between the cpu and the ram) which is better in the xbox than the ps3, but in reality this component doesnt effect the ps3s capabilities because of the way the ps3 handles data. when the ps3 first came out people were like "COD 3 looks the same on both" but if any of you truly believe that there is a game that looks better than heavenly sword in 1080p then you are stupid.

if anyone says to me "i got £350, which do i buy, a PS3 or Xbox 360 elite?" i will always say ps3, and so will everyone i work with.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Unfortunately, The PS3's library of exclusive next-gen games can't hold a candle to the XBox 360's. XBox 360s are cheaper, have better online, and more games. As far as I'm concerned, the XBox 360 gets you a little more bang for your buck. Unless you're into blu-ray.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

xbox games suck.... halo 3 and thats all they got, i look at the games we have in store and there is nothing that is on xbox that isnt on ps3 that is any good, apart from halo 3. what else it worth getting one for? forza? project gotham? blue dragon?....you gotta be kidding me right? xbox is 2 years old now and it really shows when you put an xbox and a ps3 together. my mate has both and he only plays his ps3 now because its so much better. i dont own either, but i know what games are out and i play them everyday. being an impatial judge (as im supposed to be at work) i can say without being biased that the ps3 is much better, except for perhaps halo. and you have to pay for xbox online membership, forget that.

oh and also, xboxs arent cheaper now, they are if you want the crappy core edition or the pro but then you may as well buy a nintendo wii. elites and 40gb ps3 cost the same price as of wednesday just gone, and if you wanna watch HD dvds in 1080p you will be paying more for the xbox than the ps3 which has blue ray out of the box instead of needing an additional HD drive like the xbox.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

PS3 has very little games.

360 has Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Armored Core 4, Perfect Dark Zero, GRAW 1 and 2, Mass Effect 2 and 3, GoW 2 and 3, etc...

The PS3 is powerful. But its more of "what it can do" as opposed to "what it does".

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Eternal Sonata looks like it has the potential to be good.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

PS3 has very little games.

ps3 has only been out a year...what you expect a million games the day it comes out? tbh xbox doesnt have that many good games...

360 has Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Perfect Dark Zero, Mass Effect 2 and 3

gears of war is over-rated in my opinoin, resistance fall of man is equally as good i think. halo is great, the rest suck. also mass effect 2 and 3?!?!? i didnt realise there was mass effect one out yet, infact, im fairly sure it doesnt come out until the 23rd of november.

Assassin's Creed, Armored Core 4, GRAW 1 and 2

these are all on the ps3 too.

for ps3 atm there are alot of games, admitedly not as many as xbox, but unless you have been purposefully ignoring ps3 you would know that there are alot of games coming out for ps3 and most cross platform games will play better on the ps3.

and if you are gunna talk about future exclusives (like mass effect) then lets go with FF13, unreal 3, metal gear 4, killzone 2, GT5, god of war 3, nba 08 (not nba live), tekken 6, time crisis 4 (i LOVE time crisis).

you know there are a few out there. give it some time and there wille be as many ps3 games as xbox. there only valid argument for me putting xbox above ps3 is the price of the games, with xbox games ranging from £10-£45 while ps3 games generally being £40/£50

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Mass Effect is a trilogy. So is GoW.

Of course you have to give the PS3 some time. But when the 360 was "given some time", it had more promised projects than the PS3 has now.

And they're planning to release a 341$ PS3. Sounds great, no? There's a catch:
It can't play PS2 games.
Which is a terrible, terrible mistake.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I don't believe I've heard that GoW will be a trilogy.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

And they're planning to release a 341$ PS3.

its already out, and before you say its a mistake i have already sold about 15 this week and it only came on wednesday. also i tell every customer that it is only 40gb, it has no backward compatability and it has only 2 usb ports but i still sell them by the bucket load...people were saying wii was a mistake by nintendo but how wrong were they? ps3 has now overtaken xbox sales in my store.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Monthly sales, or total sold? Because the Wii was beating both of them in total sold by a large margin the last time I checked.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

oh yeh we usually get about 12 wiis every 2 weeks and they are gone in about 3 hours of the delivery. the wii is in a league of its own when it comes to sales.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Heh. They really should have just called it the Nintendo <insert bad pun here> in English-speaking countries.

 

[brad.dude03]

In all honesty, there's no reason to buy a PS3.

Get a Wii or a 360 if you're hell bent on a console.

Or:

Give me one good reason why I should buy a PS3. I can't think of any, so prove me wrong.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Cheap Blu-ray player. Or if you like the games on PS3 more than the ones on 360.

 

[brad.dude03]

Blu Ray players can actually now be purchased for cheaper than the retail price of the PS3. I prefer the 360 games actually (not to be biased, just out of preference).

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Then there is no reason at all for you to buy a PS3.

 

[brad.dude03]

That's what I thought, which is why the PS3 has flopped since release.

Any PS3 fanboy can argue day and night about how the PS3's hardware is superior and all the resyt, but the fact is, the console FLOPPED. It's not like the sales were down, or they took a hit, or something, it just completely flopped from the start.

I don't care how much better it is, the Wii and the 360 are selling, and that's why they're doing so well right now. The PS3 can have a spot right up there with the Dreamcast.

Always the technically superior console that fails to sell.

Although the Dreamcast > PS3 imo.

 

[FamousPker49]

It is quite interesting from how this conversation turned from a talk about converting people with Halo 3, to a discussion between PS3 vs. Xbox 360, personally, I would buy a PS3 over Xbox 360 and plan to, the only thing that would possibly switch me over would be the fact of the Halo Franchise. But other than that, I think that the PS3 has sort of flopped so far, because of very few extraordinary games that have been developed for it, of which it is still lacking, but does the Xbox have a Six Axis Controller, that makes a game flow with the subtle movements of your hand?
I will answer that NO

 

[brad.dude03]

Who gives a shit? The Wii controller > the PS3's if you want motion sensitivity and such. I cvould care less about that six-axis crap. It's DEFINETLY not worth me paying 700 dollars just for some stupid controller that get's trumped by the Wii's.

 

[Gilles]

To get back on topic...

I love Halo, but I really don't think it should be played at a Christian event. There are other games you can play that are fun. Sports stand out. I don't deny I have before (It was actually at school, I go to a private Catholic school). =P

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Agreed. I'm sure that while you can conduct religious conversations with/over Halo 3, there are better games.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

That's what I thought, which is why the PS3 has flopped since release.

are you kidding me!?!??! ive sold 5 PS3s today and no xboxs. psp has flopped, even the slim, ds sells alot, ps3 is now outselling xbox (especially with the new ps3 deals) and wii is just insanely popular. this week i have sold about 6x more ps3s than xboxs and thats only me, let alone the guys i work with.

Then there is no reason at all for you to buy a PS3.

all the new ps3 games look much better in hd (especially 180p) than xbox, heavenly sword looks almost real. blu ray. all the new games coming out for ps3 which are better than alot of the xbox games.

Always the technically superior console that fails to sell.

ok just to make this clear, i work in a computer games shop and in this country at least ps3 IS outselling xbox by ALOT. forget what crappy propaganda you get, i sell ALOT ps3s and a few xboxs.

 

[brad.dude03]

Crappy propaganda? You live in England. You don't matter in sales. Quite honestly, North America, and Japan. That's what counts. If you can sell you're system there, your set for life. BUT the PS3 has had a VERY poor reception in Japan, a country that is usually fawning over Sony's latest console. North America... I live there, I read the news, the PS3 got major preorders, but then everyone flipped them to ebay for double what they paid. And then, unlike the Wii , they overstocked on PS3's, expecting to sell them all right off the shelves like lightning. Didn't happen.

All fine and great if the PS3 sells in the UK, but you're technically the minority market.

 

[Tobbzn]

You don't have to agree with their principles or goals to respect a brilliant move.

I agree with that statement. In Norway we'd call it a chess move. (Smart tactical move)

 

[Teh_Ephy]

all the new ps3 games look much better in hd (especially 180p) than xbox, heavenly sword looks almost real. blu ray. all the new games coming out for ps3 which are better than alot of the xbox games.

I was actually talking to brad.dude03, not THW in general.

 

[brad.dude03]

I'm not a Halo 3 fanboy, I just like the series better than killzone. Don't get me wrong, Killzone is deifnetly the best FPS to ever be released on a Sony console, it's just that I think the Halo series is better I mean it got a 9.8 from IGN and broke an assload of records that were already broken by Halo 2. There's gotta be something good about a game if it does that well.

And I suppose I am a tiny bit biased since my cousin does work as an animator for Bungie... I gotta support my family xD

Regardless, this is a clever ploy, but it makes very little sense. It's like inviting people into a job fair by offering free beer. It's like suckering anyone into anything with free beer.

Especially this, since Halo 3 is rated M for Mature, meaning that it uses gratuitous amounts of violence and gore, which I don't think is at all appropriate in a Church setting.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Killzone is deifnetly the best FPS to ever be released on a Sony console

timesplitters tbh.

anyways, HL2 > halo imo.

i would go as far to say that counter strike is the greatest fps of all time.

 

[Sansui]

Timesplitters rocks.

Brad, ps3 has over taken xbox sales in my area of North America.
Why because ps3 is better and people who actually like good games and systems and not just little msoft/halo fanboys know which one looks better on a 60 inch hd tv.

Plus I doubt xbox will ever have good RPG's / srpgs, they have one game ps3/pc doesnt halo3 and pc will have that.





Another reason xbox sucks, xbox live is shit.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

seriously, on a big hd screen in 1080p the ps3 looks amazing. much better than xbox.

 

[brad.dude03]

Xbox Live looks golden compared to the shitty service Sony offers Multiplayer is best on the PC and I think it should it stay that way. And yeah, I frogot about Timesplitters, that is true.

But another big reason for X360 (for me anyway) is Bioware. PS3 always has some insanely good RPG's. Xbox usually gets some good stuff too, but few and far between.

To name a few good RPG's on the Xbox, new and old:
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights of the Old Republic 2
Jade Empire
Fable
Oblivion

Now, ALL of these games are available on PC, but they all perform like bad ports IMO. The controls and movement are all designed for a controller, so they're no good on a PC with a mouse and keyboard.

Also take note that 3 of the 5 listed are made by Bioware Fable is a sort of in-between option, as some people really liked it whilst others couldn't stand it. I thought it was good but short.

Either way, PS3 is the third party right now. They might take over, but they need that killer game first. And right now, they don't have it, and I don't think Killzone will be enough to do it.

And Nem, in response to the Hl2 > Halo statement, I sort of agree.

There's no lying that both of the games were megahits that really had a major impact on the genre, but they did two different things.

Half Life 2 (and even half life) changed the way we play first person shooters on the PC. Not only did the game have a complex and always-unfolding story, it also had an amazing engine to back it up. Furthermore, Half Life 2 has spawned so many other games (Counterstrike, Team Fortress, PORTAL!!!,Day of Defeat, Garry's Mod) that have also become incredibly successful on their own. Half Life 2 has done great things for the PC.

Now Halo has done it's own part. Off on the Xbox, it has once again brought the joy of the first person shooter to the masses. It basically started where Goldeneye 64 left off, and unlike the crappy follow-up Bond games, the next games in the Halo series didn't suck major balls.

 

[Sansui]

Knights of the Old Republic (decent bit boring / gay cus its starwars)
Knights of the Old Republic 2 (decent bit boring same old same old)
Jade Empire(shit boring)
Fable(worst adventure game ever / HUGE let down)
Oblivion(again they messed up, morrowind was better)


All suck compared to what they could have been had they not been made for xbox.
And to be honest if halo was on ps2/pc and not on xbox, halo wouldnt be the big hit it was/is.

Ps3 is NOT the third party in my area, the wii is. everyone i know who bought a wii either doesn't use it anymore or returned it. The other people refuse to waste money on the POS.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Really, Sansui? I'm pretty sure that worldwide, the Wii is absolutely crushing the other two.

 

[DesKaladA]

ya thats why i like mormans

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Knights of the Old Republic (decent bit boring / gay cus its starwars)
Oblivion(again they messed up, morrowind was better)

whoa no way i love those games, they freaking own.

Ps3 is NOT the third party in my area, the wii is. everyone i know who bought a wii either doesn't use it anymore or returned it. The other people refuse to waste money on the POS.

in my shop wii sells out the day we get them. we could easily sell 200 in a week, unfortunately we dont get that many in and we are always out of stock. since the price drop ps3 is selling massively, xbox is still selling but no way near as much. tbh the biggest flop is the psp, because even with the new psp slim we only sell a few.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Again, it's obvious from sale records that the PS3 is behind.

But it's not BAD, since it is definitly the most powerful machine. it just has a few problems... like high price (not the new 341$ PS3 mind you)... and the sixaxis idea just feels weak compared with the Wii's motion sensing.

But most important is it needs that huge successful overhyped game (or series). Killzone 2 might do it, but not nearly as much as Halo 3 and whatever the Wii's killer game is.
And let's face it, Gears of War is a beautiful game.
I think when the RPGs start coming in for the PS3 (and they will hopefully have graphics that live up to the PS3), then the console will start working.

I think what will REALLY make the 360 shine is Mass Effect...