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Gorillas using tools?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tuna69, Sep 30, 2005.

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  1. antihero

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    Mecheon...just stop. This kids like 8; he in no way comprehended anything that I wrote. Not to mention that his understanding of the theory of evolution is minimal at best, non-existant at worst.

    Now the problem is, that you see the word theory in the term "theory of evolution" and just assume that its just some idea that someone thought up out of thin air. However, there are lots of theories that we can't prove that we must assume are true in order to live our lives and continue scientific discover. The truth is that evolution is a theory that has a lot of scientific proof to back up its claims. Darwin spent most of his adult life studying and theorizing to come up with this idea, that was rejecting for a long time afterward by a lot of the scientific community. However, 95% of scientists today believe in the theory of evolution (those 5% who don't tend not to be biologist.)
    The truth is that neither evolution nor faith can ever really be proved.

    Oh and about stonehedge, (its easter island :roll:) isn't there evidence that the rocks came from a now dormant volcanoe?
     
  2. VGsatomi

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    Lets not forget that Darwin was amost completely ignored until science actually started backing up his claims. (darn that pesky science thing!)

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    And as for how the ship could have gotten to the Alps? Certainly not as the Alps were being formed, as those were formed many millenia before humans ever existed. And I've seen very little evidence for a world-wide flood, which could only result from an excessive global heating, but even when the icecaps and snow didn't exist the earth didn't flood, so unless the earth has mysteriously gained more water, I find that hard to believe
    You talking about Noah's ark on mount Arrarat? It got stuck up there after the waters receded....supposedly.

    as for the earth "mysertiously" getting water. We actually get about 2 tons of new water a day from particles in gasses floating in from space.
    -VGsatomi
     
  3. N£cr0m@nc£r

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    antihero, i understood what u wrote, but i dont really believe on it, and yes, my knowledge about this theory is kind of short but still i know what it stands for...

    i didnt say that this theory was an "idea that someone thought up out of thin air" and i also know that there are many things that back up this theory

    well, i will tell u a bit of what i know:

    i know that the idea of biological evolution exists since ancient times and was supported by greco-romans atomists (Epicurus, Lucretius, the few i really know of), but then with the belief on the bible, and that god created all species as they are now, the idea of biological evolution was lost, and only revived later in the 17th century by some french scientist (uh, i think he was called Lamark, or something like that), and finally by Darwin. Darwin travelled to some places (the few places i know he traveled to were: the galapagos, the falklands and tahiti) and later published his work, the origin of the species, in which he said that "groups of organisms" evolve through the process of natural selection (meaning that in a world where individuals must strugle for survival, only those with the best characteristics will survive, and these traits will be passed to their sons and to other generations which will become dominant amongst others). today, i know that the theory of evolution is strongly backed by the DNA, and i also know that chimpanzees and humans share about 99% of their DNA

    btw, i know that some theories, are just that; theories (nothing more then a "speculation"). but some other theories, like the theory of gravitation, is based on facts (try droping and apple or something, and u will see that it will fall in a straight line)

    i know that u may know a lot more then me, by far. but just because i am missing some parts i am a 8 year old kid? i believe in many things science says, but this theory, in my opinion, is senseless

    EDITED: VG u are right, i was speaking about noah's ark; another thing that proves that the bible is correct
     
  4. JetPack

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    This is what I was getting at in my post, apparently it was too sutle for you to notice. It could've just been put up there like how they made Stonehenge, it wouldn't be the first time humans have done bizzare things like that.
     
  5. N£cr0m@nc£r

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    jetpack, do u think that some crazy humans about 2000 years ago, when the only means of transportation were horses, would chop wood in some region of the black sea, carry it to the alps which is about 2000 meters tall, build a damn ship where the temperature is very low just to honor some god or any other thing? heck, i know that the stonehenge and those big stone heads in the easter island are bizzare, but this...

    it is easier to believe that somehow the world got really flooded, and that a ship got stuck in the alps
     
  6. Mecheon

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    Necro, I'm not sure if you noticed, but a bunch of crazy humans over 2000 years ago quarried stone to make several huge monuments honouring their dead. We call them the pyramids

    I find it harder to believe that the entire world could have became flooded from massive rainfall. Countless species of plants would be extinct, along with countless species of animals. Don't give me the "2 of every animal", if there were only 2 of every animal still around, they'd be considered biologicaly extinct, and many of them wouldn't be able to reproduce enough to get back their previous numbers
     
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    Wuh? Mount Arrarrat? Sounds familiar to Arreat... No wait... That doesn't exist... Or does it?

    My complex brain shall become converted by Diablo if I do not perform an action to help my cause...

    Now where were we? Ah, apes. Yes, I saw the television show on it on Discovery Channel, then they had something on Tutankhamun's tomb. Or was it Tal Rasha? No, Tal Rasha doesn't exist...

    I think...

    EDIT:I had two "o"s in "to<- Arreat"
    Where are those plus signs in
    the "o" centers... Nevermind...
     
  8. DarkShadow

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    This was a topic about apes, wasn't it? So Mecheon already posted my opinion, could we continue talking about those stupid apes? :roll:
     
  9. tuna69

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    apes using tools...now thats rad.
     
  10. Kimbo

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    i remeber watching a clip of a chimp puttin a finger up hes butt, sniffin it then fallin of a tree trunk. lol :D :D
     
  11. olofmoleman

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    Indeed, apes using tools, that's very rad

    it has already been proven that Stonehenge and the easter islands faces could be made by stone age humans.


    And now I'm going to explain evolution...
    N£cr0m@nc£r, are you different from your parents? undouptebly, if you are, you have different characteristics and different surviving skills. Lets say you have one special thing, like for example a big nose (not saying that you really have one). Now, if that big nose is profittable for your survival, then you have a better chance of giving your genes on to the next generation, if your children also have that same big nose they too can give their big nose genes to their children, there for causing change over time. That is natural sellection (evolution). now don't tell me that doesn't make any sense...
     
  12. Aegis

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    This topic is going to be locked, I know it.
    ...
    Beforehand, let me say that I MAY BE WRONG, but I don't think I am. Nothing I say Im 100% sure about.

    Also, this is sort of a lousey philosophical discussion. Necromancer is using IMHO the worst existing proofs of Christianity, and the evolution people are just chanting "There's no proof, it never happened!" which is actually at it's root a fallicy. In fact, I'll admit there are some pretty darn good ways to disprove the bible, but none of the evolutionists are using them. Of course, this IS just a warcraft 3 modding board. PS. I don't expect to do massively better, I'm no huge philosopher, but just saying.

    What are the laws of physics, really? How do we know for sure that there aren't exceptions in the most basic laws of existance somewhere out there? We don't. Just because you've never seen it happening somewhere dosn't mean it's actually happening. Technically, nothing is ever 100% sure.

    Actually, I don't believe God has literally infinite power, for exactly this type of paradox, just near enough to infinite for it to matter in most cases to humans. Plus, if he had literally infinite power he could make it impossble to harm other humans at the same time as giving people free choice.

    Microevolution is the survival of the fittest playing out in small traits that are still within a specie's genetics. You know, the things that make a caucasian and an african different and yet still completely the same species. That can entirely happen! However, an actual random mutation from radiation is usually bad. The good ones are about one in a billion. For that to happen repeatedly, all for the descendants of the same line and all good, enough to change say a mouse into a racoon, the chances would be amazingly slim. Also, the protiens that make up a cell are VERY complex, and there are a lot of them. The whole beginning of the first cell thing is really rediculous, because millions of atoms would all have to fall exacyly into place. Is this impossible, to get that way to the state Earth is in now, through that method? Yes, but the chances are so impossibly thin. There are many other such scientific disprovals of evolution, like the chicken-an-egg thing of nutrients in the soil and the atmosphere suitable for life. Alsom the sheer complexaty of things, like the bombardier beatle, or flying birds, or the electronic sense in sharks. Especially, the brain. How do you explain self-awareness without the idea of a spirit?


    I would say more but it's time for bed.
     
  13. tuna69

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    why would this thread get locked?
     
  14. Kimbo

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    sign*
    Cuz they'r talkin about religion and all (but im christain)
    But we'r suppose to talk about are hairy pals. (chimps/apes)
     
  15. DarkShadow

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    Wow, Aegis can look into the future :lol:
    I'm really tired of tuna69's topics. The only reason for this topic was to spam around (as if anyone cares about the apes, or never heard of them using tools).

    *sigh*
     
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