few ideas

[GST_Nemisis]

i heard that triggers are actually jass encoded, but because they are read in a different way they are more laggy and take longer to read. is there a tool to convert triggers directly to jass?

also how is map size dictated, ignoring imports/ ie what make a map large in size?

i had the idea that instead of having pre-placed units and buildings i could spawn them in loads of regions meaning they wouldnt take up the size of the map. also im guessing you could do similar things with terrain and doo-dads. that way you could have acompletely empty map of small size which spawns everything in the first few seconds. i bet a cool cenimatic could be made from it too.

 

[VictorOfSweden]

1: Just click Edit --> Convert to Custom Text, then OK in the dialog, within the trigger editor and there you have it!

2: You refer to the "size tag" displayed when you look at the map in WC3, right? After that, I'm not sure what you mean. Do you think it's the file size or the map size (area) it displays? Anyway, it's the area, and you know how to measure that

3: While speaking about JASS, did you know that units placed in the WE are actually created with JASS anyway? Just extract the file war3map.j from any map and you'll see. But, if you have a choice, I would go with at least having a few units on the map at the beginning, since they are pre-loaded and don't cause any lagg as spawning units in-game may do.

 

[Shados]

Yes, you can convert GUI triggers to JASS but it won't make any difference because when they say JASS triggers are less laggy they mean triggers writtenfrom the start in JASS, so most likely the person doing that won't have included any of the GUI's lag-inducing mistakes and can also remove any memory leaks found. Using convert to JASS shouldn't do a thing.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

2: You refer to the "size tag" displayed when you look at the map in WC3, right? After that, I'm not sure what you mean. Do you think it's the file size or the map size (area) it displays? Anyway, it's the area, and you know how to measure that

i meant size as in Kb/Mb ect... i want to know what makes a map large in size when talking about size on disk.

 

[brad.dude03]

large size is usually because of imported things. like hiastorically, big maps with custom models,skins sounds etc etc are always the largest. seriously, my maul is 2.9 MB and thats only because it has custom sounds.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

how many sounds, how long on average, what type (singing, speech, music)? i may be able to cut your map size down alot.

 

[brad.dude03]

it has over 50 clips (one for the start of each level) of something funny from family guy that is related to the level coming up. they are usually only a few seconds long.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

ok and are they compressed?

 

[brad.dude03]

no, but they aren't high quality either.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

would you want them compressed, i might be able half you sound size...

 

[brad.dude03]

download family guy maul 8.5 open up import, extract and compress away my friend. it just took a long time to import them all and crap, and set them all up with the levels, so thats why i haven't bothered to yet...it would be just to much work putting them all back in.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

oh okay, i was jsut gunnna send you program i use for it, but mabey i could take a look.

 

[Ralle]

well converting GUI triggers to jass is pointless.. When saving your map, ALL triggers are saved as jass in the war3map.j. If you should make your triggers better, you should learn jassing
placing units and placing them with triggers is the same..
stuff as models, skins, sounds, custom units, triggers all takes up space

 

[VictorOfSweden]

well converting GUI triggers to jass is pointless.. /--/
stuff as models, skins, sounds, custom units, triggers all takes up space

Converting GUI triggers to JASS is not pointless! As you say yourself, triggers take up space in your map (more or less). And you can shorten the loading time and increasing the efficiency of your map by converting and rewrite GUI triggers in an easy way. One thing I've done recently is that I rewrote some of my triggers' conditions, which were pretty dumbly written after I looked at them in JASS. Here's an example with the original trigger first:

[trigger:1:fd8aac0c2b]Untitled Trigger 001
Events
Conditions
(Unit-type of (Dying unit)) Not equal to Footman
(Unit-type of (Dying unit)) Not equal to Knight
Actions
[/trigger:1:fd8aac0c2b]
[jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]function Trig_Untitled_Trigger_001_Conditions takes nothing returns boolean
if ( not ( GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hfoo' ) ) then
return false
endif
if ( not ( GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hkni' ) ) then
return false
endif
return true
endfunction
[/jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]
... and then my modified one:
[jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]function Trig_Untitled_Trigger_001_Conditions takes nothing returns boolean
if ( GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hfoo' and GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hkni' ) then
return true
endif
return false
endfunction[/jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]
As you see, the last one is shorter that the first one, saving a few bytes

 

[GST_Nemisis]

isnt that the same as using an and function in the comparison? the amount of text is near enough the same...i dont think it would be worth converting all my stuff just for that.

 

[Ralle]

well I meant that directly converting them and nothing else was pointless. cause thats already done when you save the map. But ofcourse to optimize them with jass is good

 

[VictorOfSweden]

Well, optimizing conditions was just an example. Here is another thing I've done; I've been working on a custom version of the map Evolves (based on this). The basic idea is that you kill and evolve, which, of course, has to be triggered. But the present GUI script was just really messy. As a part of the new script, I wrote this:

function Trig_Evolution_JASS_PlayerLoop takes nothing returns nothing
    if ( GetPlayerSlotState(GetEnumPlayer()) != PLAYER_SLOT_STATE_PLAYING ) then
        return false
    endif

    if ( udg_Levels[GetConvertedPlayerId(GetEnumPlayer())] == 1 ) then
        if ( udg_Kills[GetConvertedPlayerId(GetEnumPlayer())] >= 30 ) then
            call Trig_Evolution_JASS_LevelUp()
        endif
    elseif ( udg_Levels[GetConvertedPlayerId(GetEnumPlayer())] == 2 ) then
        if ( udg_Kills[GetConvertedPlayerId(GetEnumPlayer())] >= 60 ) then
            call Trig_Evolution_JASS_LevelUp()
        endif
    elseif ( udg_Levels[GetConvertedPlayerId(GetEnumPlayer())] == 3 ) then
        if ( udg_Kills[GetConvertedPlayerId(GetEnumPlayer())] >= 90 ) then
            call Trig_Evolution_JASS_LevelUp()
        endif
    endif
    /--/
endfunction

I certainly prefer this one over that old and messy GUI script, but do feel free to compare the two, the map's not protected.

@ralle: Yeah! You're right. I misunderstood your previous post, sorry

EDIT: Sadly, this script is a little aged too, since I haven't worked on it much lately. Meanwhile, my knowledge grew bigger, so, while writing this, I just realised that you can use the "and" statement instead of the two ifs

 

[Shados]

NOOOOOOOES! The Jass/Trigger tags are broken!

 

[Wyggles]

[trigger:1:fd8aac0c2b]Untitled Trigger 001
Events
Conditions
(Unit-type of (Dying unit)) Not equal to Footman
(Unit-type of (Dying unit)) Not equal to Knight
Actions
[/trigger:1:fd8aac0c2b]
[jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]function Trig_Untitled_Trigger_001_Conditions takes nothing returns boolean
if ( not ( GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hfoo' ) ) then
return false
endif
if ( not ( GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hkni' ) ) then
return false
endif
return true
endfunction
[/jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]
... and then my modified one:
[jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]function Trig_Untitled_Trigger_001_Conditions takes nothing returns boolean
if ( GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hfoo' and GetUnitTypeId(GetDyingUnit()) != 'hkni' ) then
return true
endif
return false
endfunction[/jass:1:fd8aac0c2b]

Wow, the GUI converter is pretty retarded from the looks of this...I've never worked with JASS but i know Java and PHP and i can kinda tell what's going on. One question...Why's in the hell is the GUI using double negatives and crap. Is it always that inefficient? I think i'm just gonna bite the bullet, read through the JASS docs, and do the triggers for my first map in JASS.