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Farmer vs. Hunter R! ver. 3.7

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Mufanza
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Miscellaneous / Other, Tag / Vampirism, Medieval / Warcraft
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1112.97 KB
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(14 ratings)

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Created
Jun 3, 2012
Updated
Feb 3, 2024
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Farmer vs Hunter
Remastered Build

Farmer vs Hunter returns in a new, remastered version - bringing many improvements in de-bugging and balance!

So most of you probably know the original Farmer vs Hunter map, as it is oftenly hosted over Garena and Battle Net. Those of you who played it more than once might have noticed, that although the original version is really fun to play, it is rather imbalanced and issues like drophack, -clear command cheat and tower-occupied spawn points make it completely unplayable once the players decide to abuse them.
Since me and a friend of mine (who is not yet registered on the Hive) loved to play the original map, we decided to fix these issues in a fast remake that would not only bring the long desired debugging and balance, but also a whole new map to explore.

Long story short, what originally started as a weekend project prolonged into a few-months-taking remake which does not only bring the fixes we originally planned, but also many new gameplay mechanics and improvements that bring the experience this map can create into a whole new level!


•No Drophack! - In the original version, Farmers could get into places where Hunters could not - which could make them completely invincible (This was achieved by building under your farmer, which would drop him into the nearest pathable location - often behind otherwise unpathable trees).
•More Balance! - In the original version, it was enough for Farmers to build a half-decent wall and a Death Tower to become unconquerable. It was possible to build these in about 5 minutes of gameplay if you were lucky.
In our version, the Farmers have little to no chances of defending at first, and they need to rely on hiding, denying and escape routes.
•No more issues due to Unit Limits! - In the original version, you had to build a huge army if you wanted to catch and defeat the hunter. Not only the units became almost completely unresponsive once you got too many of them, but they could also lead to unpleasant FPS Drop and even Game Crash once you pushed the limit too far. In our version, you only have to build one unit (a Golem) which you must upgrade and equip with spells in order to catch and defeat the Hunter. Normal units are still present, but they are controlled by an intuitive AI, so you don't need to worry about micro. Even if you get too many of these, your units are still as responsive as ever. Not even getting too many animals can slow down their responsivity.
•No wolf-summon hack! - Hunters were able to summon Feral Spirits through trees and walls, right into Farmer's bases. This is no longer the case.
•Farmers can no longer prevent their animals from wandering around with the 'Hold Postion' command! - This brings a new gameplay mechanic which we like to call 'Livestock Management'. You need to build walls for your animals and make them spawn in the right directions, so they don't get in your way or give up your position by wandering out of the base. This new mechanic is also the reason why -clear command is no longer present.
•New strategies, new mechanics! - Farmers hidding their farms all around the map or turtling in one base? Hunters fighting the Farmer's lategame forces, or running around the map, hoping not to get caught? All strategies have their pros and cons and the game is adjusted accordingly!
New units and items create new possibilities! Even if the Farmers turtle too hard, Hunters can lay siege to their base with Bombard Towers or explosive potions. In order to kill the Hunters, Farmers can upgrade their Golems with projectile-based abilities or they can just rely on the mercenaries!
•Much more! - You will find many things has improved since the original version!


Please, do not play with less than two Hunters and five Farmers (5v2)! The game gets less fun and less balanced if you do!
If you find any bugs or imbalances, we're absolutely completely open for critique and every feedback is very welcome! This map is no longer in beta stage, but that does not mean we're not working on it anymore!

In any case, thanks for playing and vote 5! :D


Ver. 2.8 (5th July 2012)
-Fixed the Anti-Drophack system. It didn't work in certain cases but it should be flawless now. (thanks to sheep for diagnosing this)
-Fixed the spawn-stuck-bug which could make farmers/mercenaries stuck after spawn. (thanks to sheep and Tanasren for pointing this out)
-Increased Peon movement speed and removed their bounty award.
-Decreased Exploding Potion range
-Changed the descriptions at Farms (Tanaseren again).

Ver. 2.9 (6th July 2012)
-Removed Magic Wall and Hunter that spawned for the red player at start. Sorry about that.
-Cliff-height damage bonus for towers increased to 30%
-Wind Walk Potion duration decreased to 20 seconds (60 when -progame mode is active)
-Price of Sappers reduced to 30 gold when -progame is active.
-Increased stock maximum for Sappers to 2 and decreased replenish time.
-Some minor terrain changes were done as well.

Ver. 3.0 (11th July 2012)
-Nerfed Attribute Bonus a lot
-Sheep and Pigs should no longer glitch out of your base when they upgrade
-Magic Wall should no longer be able to change it's position when erecting it.
-Based on a popular request, hunters got nerfed a bit when "-progame" mode is not active (they get less stats per level-up).
-Fixed the bug that made Invisibility Potion disappear from the merchant after buying it.
-Animals will no longer stay in game after kicking a player - they will die after 40 seconds, along with rest of his/her units.
-Maximum-animal limit is now fixed on an unchanging number (3 players - 300, 4+ players - 200. Before it was: 3 players - 300, 4+ players - 1050/Number of Players).
-Box-Throwing towers are a bit stronger now
-Decreased mana cost of Flare Gun
-Fixed description for Goblin's tree-boom abilty.
-Goblins no longer explode upon death.
-Peons now have a very short-ranged blink
-Armor of Magic and Iron walls set to 5.

Ver. 3.1 (17th July 2012)
-Randomization elements implemented! Some parts of the world gets randomized at start, making the map a little bit different every game! (Of course, this is limited by Warcraft's engine (it's not possible to change cliffs or minimap in-game), but should add some variety nevertheless).
-Nerfed Hunters some more in non-progame mode (they get even less stats per level up).
-Golem upgrades are better in non-progame mode (hit points upgrade increased from 40% to 60%, damage upgrade increased from 5 to 10, attack speed upgrade increased from 12% to 15%).
Let me know if you think this is enough or not!
-Maximum level of Far Sight decreased to 2.
-Area around pools is unbuildable now.
-Pools can be destroyed.
-Pools can be temporarily disabled with Poison Wall ability.
-Poison Towers can one-shot Farmers again, but...
-...Shared True Sight for Farmers gives ability to see through trees and cliffs, so it's easy to avoid these poisoned towers once someone researches this.
-Added -cam command which changes the distance of camera if your computer is strong enough to handle it (for example: -cam 2000).

Ver. 3.1b (17th July 2012)
-Fixed a bug where an area in the bottom-left corner of the map was sometimes unpathable although there was no debris there.

Ver. 3.2 (31th July 2012)
-Goblin Mines now take 7 seconds to activate. During this time, they are visible and won't explode when destroyed.
-Potion of Healing now has 3 minutes cooldown.
-Potion of Wind Walk now has 20 seconds cooldown.

Ver. 3.3 (7th August 2012)
-Huge balance changes: Basic Arrow Towers are much weaker at start, costs more and take longer to build.
-Hunters have much more HP at start, but gain less HP for leveling up than before.
-Increased damage for most mercenaries.
-Changed repair time and hit points of most towers.
-Shared true sight no longer takes food
-Golems no longer have Wind Walk buff all the time.
-Added "-i" command which shows the player's total income and counts his/her animals.
-Fog is less dense now, allowing players to use greater values in the -cam command.

Ver. 3.4 (8th August 2012)
-Bombard Towers are much stronger and a bit cheaper now! But...
...Non-tower buildings and Flame-Arrow Towers now have explosion-proof design that makes them immune to Bombard Towers.
-You can only build 15 Flame-Arrow Towers.
(This should help the Hunters counter tower massing strategies).
-Horn of the Clouds is cheaper, lasts 9 seconds and has bigger range, but only two horns can be sold during one game.
-True sight is a bit cheaper.
-Box towers are cheaper.
-Fixed hotkey for peon's blink.

Ver. 3.4b (9th August 2012)
-I've realized the randomization elements never really worked. Things were the same every time. Should be fixed now tho!
-The Hunters got a great nerf - they get less stats for level-up and they level up much slower once they reach level 6. Attribute bonus is also much weaker now.
-Some terrain has been changed, mainly the bases on top-right.

Ver. 3.4c (9th August 2012)
-Some spelling mistakes fixed
-Show income command (-i) no longer shows double values when spammed.

Ver. 3.5 (12th August 2012)
-Previous Anti-Drophack System allowed players to drophack in a different way. This should no longer be possible and the map should be 100% drophack free now!
-Farmers now have it harder to deny themselves. It's still possible, just not as easy.

Ver. 3.6 (25th October 2012)
-Hostfix command has been removed as it could cause the game to crash.
-Maximum level for Hunters has been set to 8 - This should give the Farmers some chances if the Hunters farm too much.
-The bounty for Farmers gets decreased with deaths. So if there are noobs who feed too much, they'll eventually feed less and less and less...

Ver. 3.7 (3th January 2013)
-Hunters can now have only one wolf summoned at a time. Wolfs are much stronger tho and additional levels toughen them up exponentially.
-Small cooldown (3.5 seconds) has been added to the Exploding Potion.


Keywords:
farmer vs hunter, farmers, hunters, farmers vs hunters, versus, vampirism, tree tag, troll vs elves, orc, human, farm, anim
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Farmer vs. Hunter R! ver. 3.7 (Map)

Author
Mufanzor and Parafrazor
Filename
FarmerVsHunterR-V37b.w3x
Suggested players
10
Players
10
Required game
Warcraft 3
Recommended version
1.24a - 1.28c
Dimensions
116x117 (128x128)
Size
1112.97 KB
Uploaded
Jun 3, 2012
Updated
Jan 3, 2013
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Vengeancekael - [Contact] Date: 2012/Jun/30 11:45:16 Comment: [Approved] Resource Moderation - Rules
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jonhysone

jonhysone

jonhysone

Level 15
Joined
Oct 29, 2012
Messages
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I edited this map without permission . So I won't post it here , If you are rednek , Do you mind adding new things?! These are some my edited map :
- Farmers Start with Flesh Golem , Can be upgraded into Rock => Iron => Crystal => Shadow .
- Barricade Wall has an upgrade into Tree Wall . Costs too much !
- Magic Wall can be upgrade into Demonic Wall ( Which can attack 10-10 and can be invisible )
- Rabbit and Cow farms >.> .
- Ankh of Revive for Hunters ( the last chance )
- A normal arrow tower can be upgraded into death tower also . Max Death Towers is 4 . Has Poison effect .
- Some Terrain Added in the north .
- Balance made .
- New Towers Upgrade ... Speedy Shot .Increases Attack rate.
- New Peasant upgrade...Ultimate Upgrade..Increases attributes .
- Golems' Arms.Inc removed . Golem takes 1 additional ability when upgraded into better type .
- Mercenaries can be upgraded .
- Removed Chickens, Rabbits, Cows, Sheeps, Pigs' bug when they are leveled up and they got out from their places ( moved to another point ).


Do you mind releasing this version as Farmer vs Hunter !R 3.5.1 . Please?
 

Mufanza

Mufanza

Mufanza

Level 11
Joined
Dec 8, 2006
Messages
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Whoa dudes thanks so much for the amazing feedback once again and for enjoying the map as well!
I fear I do own an apology to all of you now. I promised you that a new version will come out during the summer, but I couldn't keep the promise (and I'm a disgrace to my family). Long story short, I got into some health problems and then I got to travel around a lot. Nothing too dramatic tho.
Anyway, I still apologize. Sorry :C

I actually did find the time to finally sit behind this project once more and.... I realized that the unprotected map file is gone from my hard-drive. I've accidentally deleted the folder with it (it was a sub-folder of another one and I didn't realize it until too late).
It's not that dramatic tho, since I used the simplest map protection available and should be able to crack through it with ease.
I just need to learn how to do it first and it sounded like an extra work and I got dismotivated :C
BUT one day my friends, one day fer sure!
 

Mufanza

Mufanza

Mufanza

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Messages
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jonhysone said:
IDo you mind releasing this version as Farmer vs Hunter !R 3.5.1 . Please?
Click to expand...
That's great news man! It's so good to hear that other map-makers show interest in the project and make their own builds and their own tweaks! Actually, I did inherit this project myself, so it feels good to see the legacy live on :)

I will not replace this version with yours tho. Surely, you will understand that I cannot be sure about all the changes you did unless I inspect them very carefully and I would rather invest the time into upgrading my versions.
Anyway, I DO give you permission to upload your build of the map into hiveworkshop's database (or anywhere you'd like actually), just as long as you mention me as the original author and make it clear that your version is an alternative build, not a direct patch to my old ones.
Also, if you'd like, I can mention your version in the description of this map, and give a direct link to it if you upload it to the hiverowkshop.
 

Fowst

Fowst

Fowst

Level 1
Joined
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Messages
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Hey everybody!

First of all, I hope its not forbidden to ask for any unprotected code of a Map but since it has obviously been edited lately, there's gotta be someone out there who has an unprotected map file or knows how to evade the protection. I also saw that rednek hasn't logged in for a year or so, else I would have asked him. So I need somebody who got the map or any newer version like 6.8. I'd also be very happy if anybody else wants to do the work and apply parts or all of the changes I suggest below.

I'm not a great coder but I understand code when I read it and carefully changing several values shouldn't be a problem for me.
I tried to edit several versions of the map, although the part that's coded is hidden. I expected that.

This is one of my favourite map and I played it lots of times, but if I get a little feed in the first few minutes I'm suddenly in control of the whole map.
I had more than 20 grunts after not even 10 minutes of gameplay, scanning the whole map and killing everybody. I also had more than 20 poison towers. I demolished 2 magic walls in one game today and I could have just used a peon building a poison tower that kills the farmer while repairing. (like other people do with headhunters, I prefer towers though)
My point is, the map needs a little more balancing.

Now here are my thoughts on the map's weaknesses or problems:

- Hunters can build limitless units and towers when there's enough gold. I'd like to change that by introducing food cost for hunter: grunts & headhunters cost 1 food, poison towers costs 5 and orc hive provides 5 food. Hunters also start with 5 food. That means: you'll have to build some orc hives if you want an army of grunts, delaying the whole process and balancing there.

- Revealing a part of the map (true sight) in research center for farmers is way too cheap! in end game, you can easily reveal the whole map. I'd set the cost to 200-500 to prevent spamming. Another Idea would be to implement a flying recon unit like helicopter and removing this revealing ability.

- There's a glitch that allows you to build multiple golems - this needs a fix (I can't do that)

- I met 2 players today denying each other and sending me their gold for no reason. I had 500 gold after 1 minute. That's a kind of gold glitch we don't want right? Also, there are some people out there playing farmer vs farmer, killing the others and chopping down trees to make a second entrance in the base :(
The only solution I can come up with is to make denying only possible with a tower. If you have a base and somebody comes in, you'll have to build a tower fast and make it kill him.

- the command -clear animal is mostly used to prevent hunters from gaining proper gold and xp. It should at least be disabled while you're dead.

- I'm also thinking about a new weapon with splash damage or anything else than multishot tower to harm the merc masses. Maybe even new skills like stomp or shockwave for hunters?

More coming soon, I also posted this in project recruitment.

Greetings
 
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Killu520

Killu520

Killu520

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Messages
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Same Question: Did you mind i fixed your map?

rednek said:
That's great news man! It's so good to hear that other map-makers show interest in the project and make their own builds and their own tweaks! Actually, I did inherit this project myself, so it feels good to see the legacy live on :)

I will not replace this version with yours tho. Surely, you will understand that I cannot be sure about all the changes you did unless I inspect them very carefully and I would rather invest the time into upgrading my versions.
Anyway, I DO give you permission to upload your build of the map into hiveworkshop's database (or anywhere you'd like actually), just as long as you mention me as the original author and make it clear that your version is an alternative build, not a direct patch to my old ones.
Also, if you'd like, I can mention your version in the description of this map, and give a direct link to it if you upload it to the hiverowkshop.
Click to expand...
EDIT:Hello rednek, I know you is the proest FVH Map Maker ever, you can fix the jump bug, and Maphack Detector without no need to fog click. Thats great man! Congratulation! My today real mean is: Do you mind i used your map 3.5 BETA version to fix more stronger? Since 3.5 Version is no Protected, i only can open that version, but 3.5 BETA version no -clear animal and -list of command, and i dunno how to add it, -clear animal TRIGGER
Event: (PLAYER) TYPE A EXACH MATCH: -clear animal
Condition: None
Action: Pick every Unit Type Of(Animal) Owned by trigger player
Loop:
Remove Pick Unit from the game
Why did it no work? I very hope you can like forgive ultimate 3.5 he fixed version, i hope you will be teach me, I will be very credit you the 1st of very much ^^
 

opop

opop

opop

Level 1
Joined
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Messages
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Map: farmer vs hunter 3.5
You can play English version in Korea
I would like to modify it to Korean version.
Is it possible?
 

opop

opop

opop

Level 1
Joined
Apr 4, 2017
Messages
3
I am a Korean map maker.
I will fix your map and send it to the Korean people
So I want to get your map permission.
please.
 
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