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Eragon...Literary Genius, Or scum of the reading world

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Elenai, Aug 18, 2007.

  1. Preskooldude

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    Esp. since they are supposed to be a graceful people, whose skill lies in maneuver and the like.
     
  2. GST_Nemisis

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    i agree

    the problem is tho, truth and good reseach doesnt make as a good a novel. lies and gossip does.
     
  3. Elenai

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    That is true GST....People do love a good conspiracy theory or a good load of Gossip. But still peoples emotions and faith were messed with and that was'nt nice.

    And Preskooldude...Exactly!! Elves are a graceful and higher people their ways and language are to be graceful and in a way royal and noble. Eragons elves are far from it. They are insensitive and borish in their manners. Their language is also very thick sounding. Arya is also very mean towards the dwarves because they believe in gods. Elves would not be mean and even better the Elves would be spiritual...Elves are a very spiritual people, they usually have god/gods in some form or another. Even nature perhaps is what they worship (in the case of wood elves). But Eragon mocks the very basics of Elven culture.

    And their diet is wrong, Dont get me wrong elves eat and love veggies...But Elves also hunt on occasion. You cannot live as long as elves on a pure diet of veggies. Especially during a medievil period of time like the book is set in. Because with a vegan diet it is very VERY hard to maintain and to get the right nutrients and the right balance of nutrients even with todays medical knowledge. Imagine that without a proper doctor... even an elven doctor.

    And the Elven military in Eragon sucks...If you had a large kingdom of Elven mages and warriors that have trained for centuries, Would you not easily be able to stand up to Galbatorix's main forces. Especially the Razac. The nazgul at least were just unkillable wraiths, The razac have bodies, BODIES they can be killed. With enough magic and enough arrows and enough missing body parts they will die. So the Razac are not the problem...What about the orc like creatures.....well an army of those against an army of dwarves, varden, and elves could if planned correctly take them and win. And without an army Galbatorix cannot rule a land for very long. Even Morgoth, a fallen valar of great power had to have an army to fight the Noldor. Galbatorix a mere fallen human dragon rider with out an army is nearly useless against a three forces army and two dragon riders (Eragon and that elf guy). Plus if you take into account the combined force of elven mages you can kill a dragon easily or even kill the rider with well placed arrows.
     
  4. WILL THE ALMIGHTY

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    You're contradicting yourself.
    You keep rambling about how Paolini copied eleves, dwarves and otehr creatures from other novels and stories, and then you complain about how he made his version of the elves too different, in the meantime making them sound nothing like all the other elf versions we know. There is no reason his version of the elves should be like all other elves.

    Honestly, I see no reason as to why the Inheritance trilogy sucks on an incrdible level. It's VERY well written (Paolini's english is great), and he has fantasy setting new enough to not bore people to death yet familiar enough to not seem completly alien to regular fantasy fans. Even if it is something very familiar, this doesn't diminish the quality of Paolini's writing at all.

    Elenai, you've been complaining on Eragon the whole time, you may not like it, but that doesn't mean the books suck. They're good books, the author is not an idiot and writes very well, and yes, even though Eragon was started when he was 15, Paolini is now in his mid 20's, so saying it was written by a kid is just false.
     
  5. Elenai

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    I am not contradicting my self at all. You are going all fanboyism about the book being wonderful when it isnt.

    Lets look at the book itself. The English is not that great. The book Was written by a kid (Eragon and Eldest were written during his teen years) He just GREW UP and is in his mid 20's now, his last book will probably be better but the first two of the three were not good.

    The author may not be an idiot I never said that. His books however are mediocre and at best, mostly plagerized formula concepts already run into the ground, and his characters and races a mockery. (you can draw inspiration from other scources But dont copy and paste and insert their stuff like a formula).

    First of all I dont want his elves and dwarves and orcs to be the "garden variety" but I dont want the author to make a fool out of the races I so dearly love and adore like he did especially with the elves.

    His book setting is soooooo not new. Its the same old thing the same old formula the same old, same old with new names that EVEN THEN are nearly copies of other places names. It doesnt diminish its quality ofcourse but the quality of the book is still poor.
     
  6. WILL THE ALMIGHTY

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    I just like the book, that doesn't make me a fanboy. You ARE contradicting yourself, you're saying his elves aren't like other elves, when you clearly say he's been "plagiarising" (spelling?) stuff from other sources.

    I don't see how his races are mediocre, they're well developped, and most of the things concerning Ergaon Elf lore and dwarf lore are not plagiarised.

    It can't possibly be that bad...

    Ok, look. This is not the best fantasy book since LOTR, it's a book a kid started to write and turned out to be decent enough to publish, and that just happened to appeal to young readers (not necessarily 12 year olds, mind you) who probably haven't read LOTR and the like. Eventually the english grows better as you get further along the series, Eldest had some good english near the second half.

    The book is anything but of poor quality, it's not revolutionary or amazingly mind-bogling, but it's a good series. It's a bit like DotA, except in smaller proportions, since it's not as bad and not as overhyped. They're fairly enjoyable books, if you're interested in this kind of literature and have a craving for something to read and quick.
     
  7. Elenai

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    Ahhh sorry my mistake on spelling.

    Now back to the thread...

    I said it is ok to make races different and unique...However you do not make a mockery out of the races that you are drawing from. The races themselves are not stolen...except the Razac, those are clearly Nazgul wannabes.

    His book was not decent enough to publish...Its basicly a fanfiction nothing more. The English in it is not very good. BEHOLD an example.

    “[Not that any of us knows all the words in the language], but you must be familiar with its grammar and structure so that you do not kill yourself…”

    Perhaps it should have been this...

    "Not that any of us know all the words of the ancient language, but you must be familiar with its grammar and its structure so that you do not kill yourself."

    The ancient language is also full of grammar holes and stupid mistakes.

    For example the blessing Eragon placed on the girl.


    That was no blessing, but a curse.” Oromis was more agitated than Eragon had ever seen him. “The suffix o forms the past tense of verbs ending with r and i. Sköliro means shielded, but skölir means shield. What you said was ‘May luck and happiness follow you and may you be a shield from misfortune.’”

    This is a grammar mistake an eight year old would make. Shielded is the past tense of TO-SHIELD shield is a noun and has no past tense. This is not a language...its a silly cipher with bad grammar and even worse vocabulary (mostly stolen from Latin and Norse)

    All in all it may be a good read (if you are just trying to pass a few minutes, like a magazine) But its not at all publish worthy and wouldnt have even seen store shelves if his parents hadnt published it for him.
     
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  8. MySpaceBarBroke

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    Choo choo comes the grammar train! The possessive form of it is its, no apostrophe. Only in the contraction of it and is will it's be used.
     
  9. Elenai

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    Ahhh yet again another mistake. Let me correct that.

    EDIT-Corrected
     
  10. WILL THE ALMIGHTY

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    That's a bit minor, don't you think? Frankly, I could barely see the difference between your version and his at first...

    Maybe he was simply avoiding the overuse of "the ancient language", so he simply said "the language". Anyways, it's a small thing...

    And stop saying he stole stuff, he was inspired by it to a very large extent, he did not simply copy and paste it. Besides, it is a first book (and series) and I can only expect whatever is next to be better.

    Eragon is no literary genius, but it is definitly not scum of the editing world either.
    Frankly, I don't see how anyone can "hate" a book, you simply don't enjoy it, maybe think it wasn't worth the hype. Or maybe that's just me. I can't hate books, I might just think they're not as good as others.

    Then again, remember Eragon was aimed at a certain age, probably young teenagers and the like (which is probably where it got its fame anyway), so you can't expect it to live up to adult/older teen books, especially those from extraordinary authors with years of experience...

    So again, it's a series that digs into overused content and manages to tunr it into something different in a classic setting that manages to entertain certain people.
     
  11. Elenai

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  12. WILL THE ALMIGHTY

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    I just read their arguments. And it might just be the way they say it, but Eragon just seems like a piece of crap right now to me.

    The fact he was stupid enough to copy Star Wars' plot so much makes me sick. And the inconsistencies are annoying.

    Meh, I'll still read the third one, hoping for a change.
     
  13. MySpaceBarBroke

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    Ouch. I do that all the time. =(
     
  14. lorothrigs

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    Admittedly, Eragon does seem to be the same ground plot as Star Wars. However, it is a good series. I like it at least.

    Dan Brown is an excellent author. I thought that the twists in Deception Point and Digital Fortress were very similar. They were both good though. All of them were good, in fact.