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Entropy points to the existence of a Creator

Discussion in 'Medivh's Tower' started by 1)ark_NiTe, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. Teh_Ephy

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    No, I like it when people turn science into philosophy. Let's say everything and everyone that you could, would, and do trust is affected by the same illusions and delusions as you yourself are. If something gave you a glimpse of what reality actually is, would it matter since you wouldn't believe it?

    How about the universe just getting bigger and bigger and not crunching to re-birth when it heat-dies?
     
  2. thedeathunterxx

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    lol everyone already knows the universe is expanding since the universe is tinted red >.>

    and noone for sure can know if it does crunch into rebirth, i was basing my answer off of scientist that did alot of tests on this kind of shit lol
     
  3. Captain Griffen

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    You have no understanding of what red shift is so stfu.

    And just because it is expanding doesn't mean it won't contract. Periods of expansion are necessary for infinite loops of expansion/contraction...
     
  4. thedeathunterxx

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    are u stupid ? the red shift of the universe is based off the fukin dopler effect and how the light wave frequencys reach earth ( whether the universe is moving toward uswith a higher frequency{violet tinting} or if its going further away with a lower frequency of light {red tinting}

    duh u dont think i learned this shit in sckool

    you probably dont know what the red shift is >.> so u should stfu !
     
  5. Captain Griffen

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    "Red tinted"? Really? It's not at all red tinted, it's red shifted, ie: the wave length has been changed. Nothing to do with tinting.
     
  6. thedeathunterxx

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    lol re read it, i was editing it while u were reading it


    and lol its a frequency change....not a wavelength change >.>
     
  7. WILL THE ALMIGHTY

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    Yep, moving this to Medhiv's Tower.
     
  8. Hakeem

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    I find this prediction lacking in calculation and experimentation.
    If you have no idea, no explanation, no equation, then Occam's razor is inapplicable.
    You'd be surprised who comes to these things.
    Not very helpful for this unsolved philosophical discussion.
    It matters not. I do not think these things are the case, because reality seems to be flawless.
    All the more reason to, at the very least, consider it.


    About the Big Crunch, what of the light at the edge of the universe? The gravitational pull of a black hole can only overwhelm light in (near?) the event horizon. Given all the matter and energy in the universe, except for the two particles of light at the furthest distance from each other, at a single point, the event horizon is constant. Whether or not either of those particles is overwhelmed by the gravitation pull of all other matter is a function of time. At a certain point in time, you lose the ability to collect all matter and energy in the universe back into a singularity. This can be extended to other particles of light with similar properties, with different respective lengths of time for which capture becomes impossible.

    Experimental evidence leads me to believe that the matter in the observable universe is increasing in increase velocity; accelerating in expansion. For a Big Crunch to occur, it would seem to me that it would need to have already happened.


    As Shados once put it, I'll paraphrase: If you don't accept that the universe just is, then whatever created the universe is given that property.

    I submit that nothing can have this property. Taken axiomatically, I am able to logically conclude the current model of the cosmos.

    If you can explain how something can have the property "just is," I would love to hear it.
     
  9. Teh_Ephy

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    You say it should be considered after you say it doesn't matter?
     
  10. Elenai

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    By considering possibilities in that which does not matter, we are able to more fully consider the possibilities in that which does.

    Gotta practice considering somewhere. :p
     
  11. Mor)L(unE

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    Lol, before the big bang, there was bland space.. but that is something too. wo would created that?

    And while our planetery universe isnt endless, the blank space beyond it is.

    Perhaps the universe is the first recycler.

    So i guess god must be HUUUUUUUGEEE
     
  12. Kwah

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    This argument might work if . . . it was possible to be "supernatural".

    Which it isn't.

    One cannot be outside of reality. By definition.
     
  13. Teh_Ephy

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    Let's stop before this turns into theism versus atheism?
     
  14. PurplePoot

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    No, space originated then as well, and is expanding.
     
  15. Hakeem

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    It doesn't matter in reality. If "reality" turns out to be less real than previously imagined, then it might matter. It is irrelevant what it might actually be, because we are still confined to reality. If something gave you a glimpse of what reality actually is, then pondering about the real reality would be of any use.
     
  16. Kwah

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    As opposed to the fake reality?

    Oxymoron, lulz?
     
  17. MySpaceBarBroke

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    Get it.

    You sort of don't.

    Can't say I blame you though. Hakeem needs a punctuation update to allow usage of quotation marks.
     
  18. Kwah

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    Not getting it is key here. I don't have a clue what Hakeem is trying to say.

    Grammar fail? :p
     
  19. PurplePoot

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    I get the impression that he is referring to "reality" as what we perceive and 'real reality' as what is the absolute truth.
     
  20. Hakeem

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    The prize goes to Poot.

    Of course the real reality being the absolute truth would be even more questionable than the current truth value of reality.

    I can see it all now...
    "New Reality UltraTM! 34% more accurate the the next leading reality!"