Dying Unit or Triggering Unit?

[sPy]

So, I went to search some thread. And then, I saw some people recommend that using triggering unit is better than dying unit.

For Example:

• Events
  • A unit dies
• Conditions
• Actions
  • Unit - Remove (Triggering Unit or Dying Unit?)

Why is triggering unit is better than dying unit?

 

[Exum]

For memory, using Dying unit instead of Triggering unit is the best way.
BUT, if you want to use this unit after a time (using for example Wait XX seconds in your trigger), you must use triggering unit, as dying unit won't work.
Correct me if i'm wrong

 

[ap0calypse]

As far as I know:

Triggering unit is always better because dying unit refers to triggering unit.

So basically it's like opening the world editor and hit the F9 (test map)-button because you want to play warcraft, while just opening warcraft (without the editor) is easier and faster.
(And that would mean the first point of Exum was incorrect)

 

[Emnesia]

Think of it like this:

Using triggering Unit makes sure that the unit TRIGGERING entering the region or matching the conditions will be the cause of the trigger actually starting. If you use Dying Unit I can imagine that if more than one target dies at the same time the trigger might be confusing the wrong unit from the right unit. Of course this could be countered with conditions I guess...

Main rule of thumb would probably be to go with Triggering unit most of the time.

 

[ap0calypse]

Think of it like this:

Using triggering Unit makes sure that the unit TRIGGERING entering the region or matching the conditions will be the cause of the trigger actually starting. If you use Dying Unit I can imagine that if more than one target dies at the same time the trigger might be confusing the wrong unit from the right unit. Of course this could be countered with conditions I guess...

Main rule of thumb would probably be to go with Triggering unit most of the time.

(Edited in readable color).

It isn't 'confusing' for the trigger when multiple units die, the thing is that "dying unit" refers to the unit which died last, overwriting the other value.
So if you use a wait, dying unit has pretty high chances of being overwritten by another unit which recently died.
Not confusing for the trigger and cannot be fixed with conditions.

 

[CoLd Bon3]

I am not sure, but i think that Triggering unit is used when that unit interacts with all type of actions, and Dying unit is used when the unit is supposed to be killed, exploded or removed.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Ap0's first post sums it up nice and simply.
It's a double, unneeded reference, though tbh it's so small it should make f all difference on modern machines.

 

[Maker]

Yeah, use triggering unit over the other options.

 

[Vizel]

From what i can tell, the only time to not use triggering unit in these situations is when you are referring two triggering units in the same trigger.

Such as killing and dying unit.

Cause triggering unit would just be one of them,

I think?

 

[sPy]

Well i guess that wont be a problem, because there's no event such as A unit kills a unit. So maybe we could just use triggering unit is a event like "A unit dies" and use killing unit to refer to the killer.

 

[Vizel]

That is what I meant.

 

[mckill2009]

I vote for triggering!

 

[defskull]

Everything that relates to Event that uses "Unit - ..." is referring to Triggering Unit
Ap0's post #2 explained everything
If you do other than Triggering Unit, (Dying/Selling/Killing) Unit, it's like you're taking a long way
A -> C (Triggering Unit)
A -> B -> C (Dying/Selling/Killing/etc)
It serves the same purpose but differs from EFFICIENCY

 

[HQCosTheta]

the only time i use anything other than "triggering unit" is when i am not referring to the "triggering unit". for example say your trigger, for whatever reason activates when a certain type of unit kills a generic unit (if such an event exists). then the "killing unit" is the "triggering unit". if you want to do something with the victim of the "killing unit" then use "dying unit" otherwise use "triggering unit".

basically if you don't want to make the trigger effect the "triggering unit" use "killing unit", "dying unit" etc. i believe that is their intended purpose, otherwise their inclusion is madness.

IMO,
good luck.

 

[defskull]

Yes, other than the "REFERRED UNIT (Triggering Unit)", we can use such as Dying/Killing/Selling/Hero Manipulating Item/etc Unit

 

[Maker]

for example say your trigger, for whatever reason activates when a certain type of unit kills a generic unit (if such an event exists). then the "killing unit" is the "triggering unit". if you want to do something with the victim of the "killing unit" then use "dying unit" otherwise use "triggering unit".

There's no such event

There's basically no use for dying unit / attacked unit / casting unit / etc.

 

[spasms]

ya, triggering unit definitely saves time and there will be less stuff for the game to do. On laggy machines/networks we simply do not want that extra step to slow the game

 

[Dromlexer]

"Triggering Unit" is the unit which has be used by anyone trigger. So that means that can saving time without take up to much work at a advanced system.

 

[Darkzealot_128]

It's not really a big deal, but people just consider it as 'better' triggering.

 

[defskull]

It IS big deal
Why do you want sweets when you can have, cakes ?
That's the point, you can have 1 work at a time, but why do you want to do 3 works at a time, but produce in same result ?

 

[Vizel]

Why would you want 3 forks when 1 fork does the job of all 3?

I don't understand the thoughts of the Higher Class. WTF is the point of a SALAD FORK? Just use the bloody fork for EVERYTHING. Mutter, mutter.....

What's the use of ENTERING UNIT, when it translates to TRIGGERING UNIT in much the same way as GUI translates into JASS?

Silly, Blizzard. Salads don't need their own forks!

 

[defskull]

Patients.
It STILL has for OTHER use, I believe
Event Response - Attacking Unit, can't be detect by Unit Is attacked Event using Triggering unit, because this will refer to Event Response - Attacked unit

 

[Vunjo]

If you make actions like move, attack or anything like it, then you will need units other than triggering unit.
Also, for event like Attacked unit, what would triggering unit be, Attacking or Attacked unit?

 

[defskull]

Triggering unit will refer to, Attacked unit, since it is event from Is attacked.