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Drugs Are Bad, M'Kay?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by brad.dude03, Jul 8, 2007.

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  1. HappyTauren

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    Strangely, I am with Elenai on this one. That shit fucking STINKS. Yeah, so do cigarettes, but I don't support that shit either! I'd illegalize cigarettes (not cigars though) and anything that has a direct impact on others around (my lungs have gone to hell because I've got a lot of smokers around). I don't even get why people smoke that shit. I mean, what the hell, not only does it stinks, it also does a lot of damage to lungs (not sure about cannabis, but cigarettes do) and it does damage to others' lungs too. Did I mention it stinks goddamn hard? Also I can't imagine going to a restaurant with a huge cloud of cannabis smoke up.
     
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    Yes it should be legal.

    • It's hardly dangerous, people have been smoking it for their entire lives and only suffer minor consequences but nothing serious.
    • The benefits of it outweigh the negative effects (getting hungry, or tired) by far. Music sounds way better, food tastes better and it lets you think about things with more depth. It basically enhances everything.
    • It also helps people with insomnia or anxiety disorders and pain.

    But lets just forget about how medically beneficial it is for a second. Would it be such a bad thing for it to be available for recreational use? I mean alcohol is far more dangerous, kills people, ruins lives, AND is available for recreational use. And Elenai's argument was that "thugs" in Columbia are getting paid for it. You do know that medical marijuana is grown in USA? Legalizing it would actually help the economy.

    Another point Elenai raised was that not everyone drinks alcohol to get drunk, some people do it just for the taste. Who says people don't do that for weed either? High grade weed is actually very tasteful and it varies depending on the strain. As for the people who think it's disgusting and a "nasty habit", there MANY ways of ingesting it, not only smoking. You can put it in food, lollipops, butter... basically anything.

    I know someone is going to bring this up, so I might was well get it out of the way. "People who smoke weed are dumbasses". No. Dumbasses who smoke weed are dumbasses. Weed didn't make them that way.

    I don't know what else to say. You people who don't believe it should be legal are going to keep thinking that way. It's politically wrong to smoke weed and that's how the government and the news are going to portray it.
     
  3. Riptokus

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    Actually, no, the above would lead to

    Smoking cigarettes leads to a lot of crime as well.

    After all, it's in every gangster's mouths, in some form, even when alcohol isn't there.

    See?
     
  4. WherewolfTherewolf

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    Mind Altering substances in general are idiotic, whether or not this is the governments job to enforce though I really have no opinion, having alcohol and over the counter medications seems a bit hypocritical, but then again there's a lot of hypocritical things about government.
     
  5. Linaze

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    Cigarettes leads to crime because criminals smoke them? I can't see how that makes sense.
     
  6. Mechanical Man

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    Ehh, even most common grass can be smoked... that's not a reason we should banish all grass from earth...
     
  7. WherewolfTherewolf

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    I don't particularly like the "its a plant" argument for weed, just makes the stoners look idiotic and hard to take seriously.

    Its not because its grass and it can be smoked, its because the chemical found within it causes undesirable effects and causes addiction. Essentially the law against weed is to protect against addiction (along with many other reasons good or bad).

    Arguing that something is natural doesn't mean its any more or less better - and your lungs aren't naturally supposed to inhale anything except air anyways, as you can't breath other gases/vapors.
     
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    1. So if you don't get addicted to something after doing it five times it should automatically be legal?
    2. Personally, I think alcohol shouldn't be legal, but at least it doesn't stink like weed.
    3. Said criminality would no longer be criminal, they could advertise and would, if anything, earn MORE money.
    4. Yes, they would. Easier, in fact. If you got a taste of the weak stuff you'd inevitably want stronger.
     
  9. Elenai

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    Hardly? Drug wars good friend, the fact it costs a heck of alot, and it seems to make Riptokus' wife ill just for smelling it. By the way...have you ever gone through a withdrawl? ...it isn't fun.

    ...unbiased medical journal proof? I'd say the child labour, and the people getting shot over drug wars is pretty darn bad compared to the 'benefit' of getting a quick jolly.

    ...when you have to take a drug to enjoy an already perfectly enjoyable life, it is no longer worth living.

    So does warm milk, and an asprin...

    Yes, the bureaucracy to regulate it would be far too expensive, and the market for it SHOULD NOT be increased, and I as a future tax payer DO NOT want to pay for regulating a stupid addiction that I think is ignorant to even get into. Cigarettes are legal, but there is a bureaucracy to regulate it, and people don't even want those. They serve no purpose, and are negative.

    I am not going to pay the consequences for a pothead's selfish joy ride with a plant.

    Just be cause water drowns people and we have recreational pools does not mean we should have to legalise the bottling of sewage water just because people want to drink urine, and diarrhea.

    PS: OVER use of alcohol causes this, and it is far less corruptive, and has far less "area of effect damage" as I said before in an earlier post.

    "Drinking A scotch doesn't invade a pedestrian's lungs with crud, or make his/her clothes stink.

    Bureaucracy, Bureaucracy, Bureaucracy...tax payer money to fund it. We do not need another useless agency to spread a negative substance that is useless.

    Really, I'll be right down obvious, I don't want my future 10 year old child getting into the crap just because a small minority decided to legalise a useless substance, that I have to pay out of every paycheck to maintain a clogged, inefficient government office that I don't even agree with, my neighbors don't agree with, and the vast majority of doctors and drug-addiction agencies abhor.

    It is a stupid investment, that would only benefit a very few people.

    And when do you draw the line?...its a slippery slope.

    Also: "it'll help the economy"

    People who try to legalise gambling casinos and build them use that very same argument.

    Let me enlighten you on a fundamental truth: Just because it might bring in tourism or money, doesn't mean it is helpful. For one thing, it is certainly going to be addictive, and for another thing, it will not help the 'real economy', it will only put more money in the hands of a minority few: IE: Make the poor man poorer, and the rich man richer. Just look at any state with casinos and look at the statistics on how the 'helps the economy' flows. It doesn't help the middle class, or the poor, it makes people poor! And destroys lives, destroys culture, and replaces it with a bastardised version of it. "Vegas is fun" But its a hellhole of depravity too, and the house always wins.

    Weed isn't going to help diddly squat with the real economy, and will infact, make it far worse, as people pay for the b'cracy, pay for their addictions, and pay for the consequences it brings into their lives, while they grow poor and destitute, addicted to a substance that has long since lost its savour, makes them stink, makes them undesirable, and leaves them with yet another dept to pay that they can't afford! While a select few fat cats get all the wealth! And more lobbyist crap gets flung into office! Along side the stupid b'cracy that they built to regulate it!

    Idiocy!

    many, let me cite the following country cultures:

    Spain, Mexico, the vast majority of South America, Japan, Germany, France, Ireland, parts of Britain and Scotland, Decent hardworking Americans who enjoy a beer in the evening, high class restaurants, decent social events, ...The Vatican.

    The problem is...Alcohol was devised and drank because: A) the water was bad, and B) it is somewhat good for you, C) it tastes good.

    Too much of it makes you drunk...

    Weed on the other hand...is 99% of the time only ever smoked for its high. Weed certainly does not quench your thirst, or provide a clean alternative to bad water...

    And there isn't this "Too much" margin. You toke to get high, you don't toke for taste, toke too much, THEN get high. Where as you can drink for taste, but drink too much and get drunk.

    And some people smoke cigars, lets drop the smoking age to 4...some people eat cats in china, lets start putting it in gummy bears. ...for that matter...lolipops? >_> Good grief how irresponsible...

    But really, it doesn't change the whole fact that a bureaucracy will be required, for something that shouldn't even be around anyway, and should be discouraged.

    You don't need a join to enjoy life...at-all.

    No, just the thought that they were dumb enough to get into it in the first place...

    You know, the whole argument presented by those who imbibe this drug is just full of hypocrisy...And I'm getting a rather bit tired of it.

    For good reason.
     
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    Present to me a case of someone who smoked too much and died, not someone who was shot in some drug war, but someone who died directly by smoking. You'll notice when searching that the number of death-cases are extremely low compared to legal stuff such as ciggarettes or alcohol.

    It's also worth mentioning that it's not at all as expensive as some might believe, for 15-20$ I got enough for an entire night, far cheaper than going to some club and purchasing alcohol.

    OT: Elenai, I take it you are against abortion, prostitution and death help as well?
     
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    Watch a movie called The Union. It is a documentary that is all about this. Really good.
     
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    You can do booze 20 times in a row, you still won't get addicted. It's a custom rather than a physical addiction. All that aside, the real effects of weed can depend on a lot of things, that's why the scientific view on this stuff differs aswell.

    Ban alcohol too. If not, then note the fact that alcohol is harmless, even considered healthy when consumed in sane amounts.

    They'd just go official with the stuff they have. Would be easier to build a legal business over an already existing field than starting from the zero.

    Nah, it's be a first step to the more dangerous things. People'd start protesting to legalise the heavier stuff aswell, as time goes.
     
  13. Elenai

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    I can only wonder at how much that 15 dollars cost someone... -_-

    It doesn't matter if you yourself die or not from pot, what does matter is that it does indeed kill, and harm at some point along the line, destroys social ties, and degrades the surrounding culture. A selfish joy ride doesn't excuse it, especially since quite clearly the investment required in legalising what shouldn't even be a problem to begin with (IE: you shouldn't use it to begin with...) is a poor one at best, and atrociously draining at worst.

    And what does abortion, and prostitution have to do with it?
     
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    There was a "OT:" in front of the abortion and prostitution thingy I mentioned, and that means it's got little to nothing to do with the topic. What I thought though, was that since you're so heavily against cannabis, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were against other things liberalists are fighting for.
     
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    I am against things not because of party, or politics, but because of what is right.

    Forgive me for not entirely noticing the OT:

    But I will indeed emphasize, "I don't fight it because it is liberal, I fight it because it is wrong."
     
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    I would say that a lot of Liberals would not want to be connected with Drugs, the same way a lot of Conservatives would not want to be connected with opposing Gay Marriage.

    Politics has been so focused on politics people seem to forget that it is possible to make up your own mind and have your own opinions, and not those fed to you by an organized mob *cough* political party.
     
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    There could be undesirable effects also in more common plants, but not yet discovered, since no one is going to try to smoke every single plant. After all, some people are drugging with inhaling glue, but does this mean that glue should not be avaliable anymore?

    Dunno, what you meant with your first paragraph, but I'm not a junkie, I never smoked anything and I don't have plans to smoke any shit in future, I don't support smoking this plant, I hate smokers, but if I like to have cannabis in my garden, because I like the appearance of the plant, there is no reason I can't have them, but I don't intend to smoke it, as people don't smoke their flowers, living walls and other elements of their gardens.
     
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    Ah sorry, every time someone starts an argument about Weed, one of the first arguments from those in support (who do smoke the stuff) is almost always:

    "Its a plant, it's natural, it can't hurt you, it comes from the earth"

    I think this is terrible basis to try and form an argument, as many naturally occurring plants are dangerous - Poison Oak is very dangerous, it's not illegal to smoke it but it's common sense not to. I would think anything that can impair your judgment like weed would be common sense not to smoke, but then again I would think it would be common sense not to drink alcohol either but society proves me wrong there.
     
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    Realise, Legalise.
    I support this.
    Edit: Don't call it Ganja for the love of god.
     
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    If you're not against prostitution you are pretty much worthless, sex-addicted scum. I'm done with this topic, gee.
     
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