Damage Team Survival vXI

[TwistedImage]

I see you've read Eragon?

Anyway, hero sounds cool, looking forward to testing it.

After having played this 2 player, I think the archer hero might be weaker than other heroes - then again, this might've just been my little brother failing at the game. I'll find out soon-ish.

 

[Conlan]

C'mon we're waiting

 

[Damage]

Version X is ready - have fun everyone.

 

[mouseman89]

cool game, but when i was in the naga shop right after naga boss, iwasnt teleported to the next round, i was to the left of the rowboats i think.

 

[Floris2]

When playing as the Blade Blazer from version X, the game got stuck a few times during the undead round, at the end of wave two and four.
Maybe it has something to do with the amount of units in the waves?

 

[Damage]

I see you've read Eragon?

Never heard of it, sorry.
If you're wondering where the name comes from, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuada_Airgetlám

@mouseman89: This probably happened because you were moving a bit too far to the edges of the shop zone.

@Twisted Image: The Ranger's ultimate is exceptionally powerful if you combine it with another skill that you have spent many skill points in. In addition, the Ranger is by far one of the best heroes for killing caster enemies - probably only beaten by the Assassin.

Other Notes;
Currently the Demon Round (Round 6) is near impossible when playing Blade Blazer mode due to the excessive mana burns. I'll put a little fix in later which will exchange the Eredar's Mana Burn spell with a damage over time skill and I'll make the Mana Fiends only drain 1% of your mana per hit instead of a flat (though rather huge) number.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Massive Mana Burn? I've never had a problem on killing those freaking Eredars.

 

[Damage]

If you try it on Blade Blazer mode, they drain 720 mana per shot, and there's 24 of them at wave 4.

Combined with the mana fiends draining 600 per hit, you'll be out of mana in 3 seconds flat.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Yep. I realized that after starting the game with Blade Blazer (A.K.A. Motherfucking Zombie Blademaster).

 

[Conlan]

Wiped at round 1 :S (with new Hero). Maybe you should make it a regular hero.
Also when i accidently dropped my item, it instantly disappeared.

 

[TwistedImage]

First word in Blazing Flurry's tooltip is "Unleahses." ^_^

EDIT: Just noticed a bug. A fairly gamebreaking one at that. At some undead round, 3 I think, the waves just stopped coming. I killed off all the creeps, and hoee, stuck.

Also, 96 skeletons? WTF? D:<

 

[Damage]

Yeah, quite a couple of my friends were reporting getting stuck on some of the undead waves. As of yet, I've no idea what is causing it, but rest assured I'll find some way to fix it by today. It only happens when Blade Blazer mode is active (i.e. Difficulty = 12) so I'll take a look at some possible avenues that these mistakes could happen.

@Conlan: Sorry, but if you're dying in round one you need to play a little more defensively. You can't expect to stand still and just tank everything. Utilise stuns and minimise your incoming damage via movement and killing of key enemy targets such as Riflemen. It's very possible to beat all but Round 6 currently without dying if you play carefully and tactically.

Aha, found a possible cause of the problem.

• R4Wave4Activate
  • Events
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Wait 5.00 seconds
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 8.00 seconds the text: |cffffcc00Round 4|r...
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 8.00 seconds the text: ((String((15 x Difficulty))) + |cffffcc00Skeleton Warrior|r)
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 8.00 seconds the text: ((String((6 x Difficulty))) + |cffffcc00Ghoul|r)
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 8.00 seconds the text: ((String((Difficulty x 4))) + |cffffcc00Zombie|r)
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 8.00 seconds the text: ((String(Difficulty)) + |cff22ffffBanshee|r)
    • Set CurrentUnitCount[1] = 0
    • Set CurrentUnitCount[2] = 0
    • Set CurrentUnitCount[3] = 0
    • Set CurrentUnitCount[4] = 0
    • Set CurrentUnitCount[5] = 0
    • Set MaxUnitType[1] = (Difficulty x 15)
    • Set MaxUnitType[2] = (Difficulty x 2)
    • Set MaxUnitType[3] = (Difficulty x 6)
    • Set MaxUnitType[4] = 0
    • Set MaxUnitType[5] = Difficulty
    • Set UnitTotal = ((MaxUnitType[1] + MaxUnitType[2]) + ((MaxUnitType[3] + MaxUnitType[4]) + MaxUnitType[5]))
    • Set UnitKilled = 0
    • Trigger - Turn on Spawns <gen>
    • Trigger - Turn on R4Wave4Win <gen>

I've no idea how, but this trigger has worked absolutely fine up until now, and quite clearly the numbers don't match up at all. Bizarre...
Just for reference,

• Round4Initiate
  • Events
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set CurrentBounds = Round4Bounds <gen>
    • Set WaveUnitType[1] = Skeleton Warrior
    • Set WaveUnitType[2] = Zombie
    • Set WaveUnitType[3] = Ghoul
    • Set WaveUnitType[4] = Necromancer
    • Set WaveUnitType[5] = Banshee
    • Set CurrentSpawn[1] = Round4Spawn1 <gen>
    • Set CurrentSpawn[2] = Round4Spawn2 <gen>
    • Set CurrentSpawn[3] = Round4Spawn3 <gen>
    • Set SpawnPoints = 3
    • Set CurrentHero = Round4Hero <gen>
    • Set Round = 4
    • Game - Display to (All players) the text: |cffffcc00Round 4|r...
    • Wait 5.00 seconds
    • Trigger - Run R4Wave1Activate <gen> (ignoring conditions)

So as you can see, the numbers are wrong for the Zombies in the actual messages. Still, this doesn't actually fully explain what is going on... The UnitTotal is what I use to detect how many enemies there are in the wave total and therefore how many should be killed... hmm, looks like I need to keep searching.

Looking at the spawn trigger, I can't determine anything yet either. The main action of the spawn triggers is this:

• If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
  • If - Conditions
    • CurrentUnitCount[1] Less than MaxUnitType[1]
  • Then - Actions
    • Set TempPoint = (Center of CurrentSpawn[(Random integer number between 1 and SpawnPoints)])
    • Set CurrentUnitCount[1] = (CurrentUnitCount[1] + 1)
    • Unit - Create 1 WaveUnitType[1] for Neutral Hostile at TempPoint facing Default building facing degrees
    • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_TempPoint)
    • Set TempPoint = (Center of CurrentHero)
    • Unit - Order (Last created unit) to Attack-Move To TempPoint
    • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_TempPoint)
  • Else - Actions
  • (Repeat for Unit types 1 - 5)

So essentially if the number of enemies spawned of that specific type are not currently on the map, it will add another and increase the number, until it hits the "MaxUnitType" for that particular unit. Frustratingly though, this hasn't ever caused and problems, and I can only determine somehow that it has something to do with the maximum unit count cap (30 enemies on the map at any one time) causing the trigger to malfunction. However even then, I've played games with 7 people before, and the cap was working fine then - spawning in 30 enemies, waiting until we killed a few then spawning some more to keep it topped off at 30.
The other possible cause of the problem is the Win detection trigger for that round. However, due to the generalised set up of it, it's an exact copy of all the previous waves and rounds and as such if there was a problem with one, there should be a problem with all. Given the game progresses perfectly fine at every difficulty level except 12, this implies something to do with the sheer number of enemies.

Taking this all into consideration...
A unit is getting stuck somewhere. It is getting spawned in, but not moving from its spawn location.

Ok, as a possible solution, I'm going to make the Maximum unit cap be Round Dependant when playing Blade Blazer mode. It will be 12 max enemies at Round 1, 24 at Round 2, 30 at Round 3, 45 at Round 4, 30 at Round 5, and 15 at Round 6.
As a by product of these changes, this will actually make round 4 a little faster, while making it marginally harder. This should also encourage the spawn trigger to spew out its load of enemies a little quicker and hopefully bypass whatever is causing it to hang. Lowering the unit cap at the Demon Round will probably also help with the insane difficulty of it (in addition to some mana burning changes I'm going to add which are also Blade Blazer mode specific).

 

[MOMBI]

Omg

Wow! 5/5

 

[Damage]

After some further testing today, I've ascertained the problem only ever occurs when playing as the Blade Blazer, and never when playing any other hero at difficulty 12.

Therefore, there must be some problems with my spell triggers or something else that is unique to this hero. I'm narrowing in on the cause of the issue and I'll do my best to get it fixed.
EDIT: After more investigation, the spells are not the cause of the game getting stuck on the undead rounds (I literally did the entire undead round with no spells and just aiuto-attacks and it just got stuck again on wave 5). This implies somehow that there is an issue with the unit spawning when playing on 12 player mode, and this may mean it will take some time to find the root cause of the problem.

Here's my "Changes List" - listing all the things I've changed since the Version X went live and all the things I will change or fix for the next minor version update.

Upcoming Version XI Changes
Blade Blazer Mode Specific Changes/Fixes
- Argetlahm's Weapon (Blazing Blade) is now not droppable or sellable, but on defeating the Council it is upgraded to a weapon of unbridled power that is utterly incomparable with any other item in the game.
- Argetlahm's abilities now have a bunch of new custom icons.
- Fixed some other little typos and annoyances and removed some more memory leaks and redundant bits of code.
- Eredar Sorcerors cannot cast Mana Burn, but have learned Contort - an instant damage spell that also cripples movement and attack rate for a very short time. Mana Fiends replaced with Voidwalkers in the Round 6. Wave composition and numbers are totally different.
- The Maximum enemy unit cap is now set at 12 for Round 1, 24 for Round 2, 30 for Round 3, 45 for Round 4, 30 for Round 5 and 15 for Round 16 to better suit the game style and pacing of Blade Blazer mode.
- Fixed Blade Blazer's Gauntlets not being usable.
- Fixed the game breaking occasionally in the Undead waves. Replaced Zombies with Abominations. Wave compositions and numbers are totally different.
- King Damage has a totally different set of spells that better suit the Blade Blazer mode.


Multiplayer Specific Changes:
- The creatures in each round now have a very small chance to drop items of a quality higher than their usual loot. (e.g. Night Elves might sometimes drop a blue item)

General Changes/Fixes:
- Dethr0wned achievement has been removed.
- Hellfire Doomguard's Diabolist Fire ability has been increased in damage at lower levels, but less at higher levels. At around Difficulty/Player No. 6, the damage is approximately the same as before.
- As a consequence of the Blade Blazer Mode's Eredar Sorceror changes, the "@#$%ing Mana Burn" achievement is now called "@#$%ing Sorcerors" but functions exactly as before by awarding the player for killing one before it can cast.
- King Damage's Mana Incineration now has a much longer cooldown.
- Fixed not getting teleported from the Round 5 Shop area when moving to the very edge of the island.

 

[Damage]

Okay, implemented all of the above features, but still working on a fix for the Undead rounds. The cause is probably to do with the sheer number of enemies. And if this turns outto be true, then I may end up changing the entire structure of the Undead Round when played in Blade Blazer mode as a last resort - i.e. reducing the number of enemies but adding much larger and stronger enemies such as Abominations. This isn't an ideal solution, but if it's the only thing that solves it, then I'll just have to chalk this one up to experience and get on and do it.


@MOMBI: Great to see you like it! Would be nice if you could rate it as well on the download page.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Idea:
Maybe make some more Single-Player Heroes like Argetlham. Maybe make another three for Difficulty Level 3, 6, and 9. Argetlham is just plain crazy.

Reminder:
Your Sig still says v1.9.

 

[Luffy]

oh shit

 

[Damage]

I'll update my signature when I manage to fix this version. It wouldn't feel correct to advertise a new version when the game gets stuck in the undead round. As for adding more single player only heroes - given the amount of bother this one has caused, I don't think it a good idea. Also, this is Damage Team Survival, and the multiplayer aspect is what I'm more focused on.

@Luffy: Problem?

EDIT: I changed all the undead waves and it worked fine, and it was slightly harder as intended and a lot faster. Cleared it all fine and got to the Death Knight. He killed me after a very close fight, and the round reset. The game then got stuck at the end of wave 3 for no reason... This is starting to get annoying. No matter what testing methods I use there seems to be absolutely nothing in common with any of the times when it gets stuck, and this means I can't actually pinpoint anything about the problem. Very, very frustrating.

 

[Luffy]

I mean, it seems cool. I will download and check it when I have time. but I rather prefer checking fixed version, when you are done.

 

[Damage]

I'll be sure to update you all when it's fixed. It's proving very difficult though as the problem is seemingly totally random - the only things that are consistent are:
- Only happens in Blade Blazer mode.
- Only happens during the Undead Waves.
- Never happens on wave 1.

Other than that, there's absolutely nothing consistent between the various times it gets stuck, so it's proving difficult to actually find what the problem is and therefore fix.

 

[Damage]

Okay, I've managed to solve the Undead Wave problems (yay!) but I won't be releasing another version until later tomorrow as currently the Demon Round (still) and King Damage are almost impossible to beat.

I'll be changing the unit waves and unit types encountered in the demon waves, and probably changing what spells King Damage can cast. After that, you'll finally be able to play (bug free) this epic new hero.

...and then I can rest.

 

[dead-man-walking]

...Hopefully NOT Forever.

 

[TwistedImage]

"New post" bug, therefore I am posting.

To add actual content: Demon and Damage were hard? I'd imagine that LOLRUNREGEN is a good tactic? Especially on Damage's round, as it's insanely easy to run during that round.

 

[Damage]

Believe me, on Blade Blazer mode he's nearly impossible. His mana burn is absolutely obscene (3600 per cast), and the Orb explosions do 9600 damage, so if you drop your AoEing for even a moment you're pretty much dead.

The lolrunregen tactic can just about pull you through the Demon Round, but even then the Doomguard's Diabolist Fire spell hits for 1020 damage, and pretty much ruins any regen chances you had. Not only that, but the Mana Fiends run at the same speed as you, making them near impossible to get away from once your mana has been eaten.

But rest assured, it'll all be fixed by today.

@dead-man-walking: It'll be a long time until I implement any more changes to this map once this next version is released (forgoing bugs that is).

 

[Luffy]

but be careful. while decreasing the power of the guys for this new hero, you can make them easier to get beaten up for team plays or single play with normal heroes too.

 

[Damage]

Don't worry about that, these changes are totally specific to Blade Blazer mode, and have no effect on the multiplayer gameplay.


Also, watch this space... map will be ready in about 30 minutes.

Oh look, it's done. Now excuse me while I go die of overwork.

 

[TwistedImage]

Credits to Damage for actually working hard on this and releasing it really fast.

/pat

 

[Conlan]

even im not skilled with this new single-player hero and still prefer other heroes, thanks again for keeping updating this map.

 

[Damage]

So, what're everyone's thoughts on this new hero, and his specific version of the game?

 

[TwistedImage]

I found it fun - the orc and night elf levels were silly though. Much too easy, in my opinion. On Malorne or What's-His-Name I was like, "Fuck saplings," after one of them became a treant. After that, the map was basically flooded with treants, and I still didn't take substantial damage.

On Tor - right click, AFK.

Are you supposed to be able to use the firebolt-throwing spin-attack and the... uh.. thing where you go big and red (=D) at the same time?

 

[Damage]

Bladed Firestorm + Ignatio Burst.
Yep, and it makes for some spectacular damage and effects.

 

[TwistedImage]

Yeah uh. It was basically those two spells, wait out cooldowns, repeat, wave down. D:

 

[Damage]

Nah, you had to at least move a fair bit especially on the bosses. I mean, standing there waiting for those two skills wouldn't save you from a bunch of Abominations exploding in your face.. (Unless you were actually using the skill at the moment they exploded... oh well).

 

[TwistedImage]

I found it fun - the orc and night elf levels were silly though.

I was expanding upon that. ^_^

I.E they should be made a bit harder, and wave one less boring.

 

[Damage]

Until you can prove to me you can get the Spawn Camping achievement in Blade Blazer mode, I won't take it that it's "too easy"
Long perhaps... yes, but not "easy".
It's probably "Moderate" difficulty... not hard.. just.. moderate.

 

[TwistedImage]

I'm not talking about the speed at which you kill enemies, rather that you need to do absolutely nothing to die in those levels. D:

 

[Luffy]

hero is like a god, I like him and he's still vulnerable against most of the bosses. well, achievements of night elves are looking pretty impossible, although undeads' are pretty much easier right now. But still I like the vulnerability of the hero, I died at some of the rounds. (maybe I couldn't bother to play with all of power I got ) game has grew longer like hell, I couldn't check every round yet. But it seems good, and his epic passive ability gives a chance to beat forgotten god.

hero sometimes don't teleport when you use his 2nd skill. I guess it might be difference of ground height.

once I almost killed every single seedling but I ran out of mana and one of them turned to treant

 

[Damage]

So, generally a success, right? =)

 

[Luffy]

ofcourse

 

[CYrusmaster]

Yo, this map is awesome. But it lags on my shit after the naga uses the water spell...

Anyways +rep and 5/5

 

[Neferation]

Nice game ^^

 

[Damage]

Thanks for the comment.

 

[Conlan]

No more updates?

 

[Damage]

Depends if the map really needs something or not. These days I'm more working hard on my new project, Swarm Wars.

 

[Conlan]

Ok now, i finished with Blade Blazer.
Besides the things i messaged you, there are some issues i think;
-Game length is too much. Why? Because my standard attack deals very low damage and I have to spam my abilities. Even than, especially human and naga rounds are boring.
-Especially human round is way to boring. cause my mana depletes too fast and there is nothing to regenerate it. A possible solution is to replenish all our hero's mana after each wave.
-Maybe you should rework on boss fights when played with Blade Blazer. Night Elf boss spawns treants way too fast, it is impossible to handle them. I just focus on hero to kill it.
-Human boss just heals but if we had mana, the fight would be fine.
-Orc and Undead bosses are fine
-Maybe you should weaken Naga boss a bit. I had to run and regenerate to win that fight(which is boring) and i put all my effort
-Demon boss is... well weird. I cant stand against him. I ran and attacked when he's using cleave attack but also was a bit boring. A major problem is; i start use my 2 skills (forgot their names; hotkeys were R and T), and then he uses cleave attack, im not able to move and i barely stay alive if my hp was full.
-Council and King Damage fights were good.
-I had 9800 points at end of the game and it said i need 62000 more to unlock bonus boss round! Omg why? Why 62000 more and what did i wrong? I never even died once.
-The idea of removing items on the ground is really NOT good, believe me.. I know its to prevent item spawns but please fix it by another way. I may want to drop my item for a second for some reason.
-A minor issue; it says "our town is under attack" on naga round, probably its about dummy spellcaster unit or something.

Overall, the two major issues are the mana problem at first 1-2 (especially human round!) rounds, and the overall game length. (Rounds with ideal length are; undead, demon, perhaps orc and night elf, but NOT human and naga) Also please make a few tweaks on those boss fights to make them better suited for single player (For Blade Blazer only, of course.)

Thanks for this great map

 

[chapter20]

Very Nice map 5/5

 

[Mech_Warrior]

Hello Damage,

Very nice map! Overall pretty fun with even a limited amount of replay value (which hero survival maps often lack). I have a few comments on things you may have overlooked.

1) Certain items share cooldowns. I can't remember which, but I'm thinking it's some of the charged items like the vamp potion and some of the permanent items like the Mana Heal item + the Health Heal item + the Berserk item. You might want to change the cooldown groups for the items so they are each unique.

2) One other minor problem is that in the skeleton summoning Undead levels, if you kill off all the necromancers and other units, but leave skeletons alive, the rounds progress regardless. Not sure how big of an issue this is, but I could theoretically see summoned skeletons lasting from the end of one round to the beginning of the next, which is a minor nuisance at worst.

3) I played one time with a hero who had a summon (I think it was the Frost guy) and his summon did not follow him into the next arena when progressing from round to round. Again, a minor issue, but it was annoying to have to wait for the cooldown and re-summon him (I assumed he'd follow me when my hero moved).

Overall great map! Those are very nit-picky details, which means you did a great job weeding out the major issues. 5/5.

 

[raisen]

It's ok!