Daemonic Sword ORPG

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Daemonic Sword ORPG (Version 5.37) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "Daemonic Sword" is a massive Role Playing game where a player challenges itself on building good gear, exploring distant lands and same goes to accepting quests. "The idea of bolstered attributes and objects on a hero is too much and leaves me on awe for this rpg is quite different from others with a decent and balanced hero characteristics, although the game is more settled for a few players rather than a full house since the file size of the map is big which might ruin a 10 man gaming in problematic lags." Terrain "The Terrain looks like it was sprinkled with too much colors although it seems fine, much more straight into the game instead of a dynamic terrain that will suffice a player." Management "To my conclusion this rpg is well suited for those who loves powerful damages and extreme rampage to the fullest." Total Score: Rate Score Percent Letter 9/15 80% C

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Date: 2012/Jan/29 14:51:21

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Comment: Approved - Neat RPG

Also the bagpack is missing its disabled icon version. Oh and how about hiding the bagpack's model, it's kinda weird like that.
And shorten the description and put more screenshots in it.
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[Vengeancekael]

Still no description.
edit: Great! :3 Set back to pending - Just post the full credits here as well.
I'll check this tomorrow.

 

[Hexcellion]

I've played this even before it was posted on Hive! I'd say this is an awesome map. A lot of people host this map in RPG rooms, lol.

And umm, could you fix your credits list? Try using hidden tags to separate one part from another. Changelogs, credits, game information, etc.

 

[jinxedgenius]

Hi Shea!

Hi Shea i'm a fan of ur map!! Nice to see u on hiveworkshop!! I follow ur site to get the updates and latest changelogs.. This extra option is cool keep it coming..

A suggestion.. u could put up changelogs every version like many map makers here do.. i don't how it works so if it's too much of a bother, np.. i'll visit ur site anyway!!

AWESOME MAP!!!

 

[WindowsVistaSucks]

Interesting map.

3/5 Good job.

 

[White Flare]

Pretty good to pass the time. Like the minigame inside the game, adds a way to break it up the play session with a good old defence game. I would rate it about a 3.5 compaired to other RPG maps I've played but I'll go out and give you the full 4 on hive because its still a work in progress and i see potential.

 

[amirtaiko]

I'll try it when I reach home, you should add some screenshot ^-^


# Edit : So I cut it into download maps folder but when I run the game it doesn't show/load the map on the list, any idea?

 

[AngelOnFira]

Best map EVER!!!

 

[KAL___EL]

Saw it, played it, loved it, nothing more to say here xD 5/5

 

[THe Sandro]

5/5 cuz its great map

 

[Dr Super Good]

its ok to have a big stats if the dungeon and the bosses are strong

am i right?

Not really. It looks very childish having 1,000,000 damage when 10,000 damage would suffice. It also makes for an impossible difficulty curve at time as late content will easilly rip early content appart. In a map where such content is in close proximity to each other that is a bad idea. Worse still, some PvP not could join and rip you appart with gear insanly better than yours.

It also required far too much time to get anywhere than a WarCraft III map should. No universal level, hours to unlock stuff, chance based drops etc.

The main problem was class ballance. I leveled up a variety of classes and some were noticably better than others. Specificly some damaging abilites were totally usless and would "tickle" enemies.

 

[DG.DETORAK]

Told yah!!

 

[neven1]

Well i must admit Daemonic Sword is the most intresting ORPG i've ever played i've been playing it for a long time and i've never seen such a good story line i love how creator mix up the difrent stories into one =)

 

[Allain55X]

The game is nice. I played this a long time! It has mix in stories. I like the Imba items (But not that much in the start game or early game)! Gives you a heck of damage but the only thing missing here is: in the start newbs are like useless because they can be easily pawned but in the late game... DAMN, how Imba.. Maybe balancing it (mostly in the items cuz you look like a God If you have an item that gives +1000000+ damage or sometimes stat) cuz it gives more advantage at late games because you re tooo way IMBA while in the start.... you look like useless.

The key to a good RPG is Simplicity! And I must say this game requires simplicity. But this is only my opinion!
Still Daemonic Sword is good! Rated this 3/5 and a +REP to the Creator. Missing two points cuz many items are too IMBA and this sometimes ruin gameplay. Why? Because If you are too IMBA, sometimes you will get bored cuz there will be no competion. No one can defeat you.

 

[-SmaSHeR-]

5/5 best map ever

 

[Deleted member 217057]

This map is the best map I ever played... 5+ rated worth it!
I keep playing this isn't it to get the desired level I want then its the item I want to obtain or the boss I want to kill :3
It never ends , Although it ends eventually and the quest line is a bit short but there are so much other things to do!

They got a forum for help which I definitely used... xD :3
Here: http://daemonicsword.freeforums.org/index.php?sid=925c67000e99067c5bc40e8f1a5f4a0d
I definitely recommend you this map like a top 3 of ORPG'S!
*Ps: Standing on number 1 of course *
*My Top 3: 1. daemonic Sword, 2. Twilight Eve , 3. The black road :3*
Anyway All Have Fun Playing And Greetings Xx :3

 

[MARYNOM]

ok. first of all map is awesome. Hard,and anty cheat engine included for single player. Really good terain and investments feature kicks off this map if u ask me to another dimension. BUT after 7 hours of playing i saved and critical error pops up after i try to load a game so that would be lethal for anyone if there was anyone near me when i tryed to load game. there's quite a lot empty space and bandit trap in desert doesnt match lvl or equipement at lvl 10 for example. sooo... please fix save for single player. and i dont mean the code. everything else is quite awesome

 

[Dr Super Good]

He cannot as the problem is with WarCraft III's save system being buggy.

When you save and load in WarCraft III using the inbuilt functionality, the secene graph state is not properly recoreded/restored resulting in triggers breaking.

 

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[Fusion.Ashmedai]

Map is barely balanced, and lacks the finesse of other maps. Things are multiplied by 5 and in the high levels, expect massive amounts of damage, hp and armor. When paired side by side with something like TKoK, you can see the difference in quality between the two. TKoK may be the better map, but that doesn't mean this map isn't damn fun to play.

 

[man2ok]

game crash when loading...????

 

[-SmaSHeR-]

game crash when loading...????

works fine for me...

 

[Deleted member 217057]

game crash when loading...????

That happens if people leave your Lan/gameranger/online room or game... If you got this with only this map... It could be your network settings (Hamachi haves to be off or removed from your computer) or you placed the map in the wrong directory... Hope this helps

Good luck ,

Doombringer.

 

[Deleted member 217057]

He cannot as the problem is with WarCraft III's save system being buggy.

When you save and load in WarCraft III using the inbuilt functionality, the secene graph state is not properly recoreded/restored resulting in triggers breaking.

And this happened to me! -_-
My save code didn't work anymore so now my level 100+ character is gone


Doombringer...

 

[Dr Super Good]

Save codes do work but they are account name bound. The inbuilt save function of WC3 does not work as that is buggy.

 

[diminisher]

Well, it's the only WC3 map I got addicted to, and I've played quite a while. Even tough it's not finished it's really complete, with tons of items and cool quests to do. The two main storylines are EPIC!! and the Heros are awesome, ever char has it's own skills and even have evolutions. Best RPG map EVER

 

[RaZZoR]

Hi,
first: where can I find 'bank fortress' or what is that?..i can't find it and I can't save any item
second: everytime i load I have to start the quests from the first one,I don't have any Inn or farm, I lose everything...only my level remains..how do i save my quests? thanks

 

[-SmaSHeR-]

Hi,
first: where can I find 'bank fortress' or what is that?..i can't find it and I can't save any item
second: everytime i load I have to start the quests from the first one,I don't have any Inn or farm, I lose everything...only my level remains..how do i save my quests? thanks

1.The Bank located at the left conrner in water search area and you will find it
it costs 1 million gold and lumber and lets you save items
2.save code does not support saving quests and inn so you will always start from start there is no way to save quests(Impossible to code)
3.if you use normal wc3 save it still wont work cus of massive map size it wont load and file will be corupted or will crash

 

[RaZZoR]

ok, thanks

 

[Dr Super Good]

(Impossible to code)

It is possible to code, just the map maker lacked the skills.

3.if you use normal wc3 save it still wont work cus of massive map size it wont load and file will be corupted or will crash

No, it is because the normal Warcraft III save is buggy and does not save/restore game state correctly.

 

[Daemonic_Sword]

It is possible to code, just the map maker lacked the skills.


No, it is because the normal Warcraft III save is buggy and does not save/restore game state correctly.

Very possible to code and I'm not the greatest programmer, but I have the skill, I just haven't found a good way of doing it for new and loaded characters at the same time. Besides in the game you come back from the Future into the past so technically it makes sense.

As for normally save load... It actually a surprise to me that it isn't work. It really should work and I am unaware of when the last time it was working, as that is key for Single Player and saving your place within the quests and game... I will keep trying to compress the map bit by bit and hopefully enable the default saving again.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I will keep trying to compress the map bit by bit and hopefully enable the default saving again.

This may or may not require you sacrificing functionality. Many maps such as TKoK and SWAT AM gave up as it was not worth the sacrifice. An example of what cannot be used is timer callbacks (a JASS only feature). These callbacks are lost when you save/load using standard save/load yet most JASS abilities and many systems depend heavily on the feature.

Very possible to code and I'm not the greatest programmer, but I have the skill, I just haven't found a good way of doing it for new and loaded characters at the same time. Besides in the game you come back from the Future into the past so technically it makes sense.

As a result, I never did finish the main story. I made it to Heaven but then had to go as I was not rigged enough to continue.

A checkpoint system would be useful. Such as allowing people to vote on the story progression 1-2 minutes after the game starts. The checkpoints they can vote for are either based on character level (higher levels unlock higher checkpoints) or you could save checkpoints manually (would increase code size, no problem if you use codeless file save).

 

[diminisher]

This is the best game orpg wise...system is not that hard, takes a while to get used to the terrain and all the things in there. It's a very complete world, with epic story awesome heroes with nasty spells and also they can evolve and become cooler and stronger.

So far the best rpg map I've played. It has glitches and stuff but it's a work in progress so I guess the gameplay will only get better and better. 5 out of 5!

 

[RageingWolf]

i cant play this game on a local network because it says the map file is to big.

 

[Dr Super Good]

You are using the latest WC3 version right? And not some cracked old version?

 

[RageingWolf]

im useing the latest wc3 version but on local network it wont let me play i can play it on the bnet and solo just not in local.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Hmm that is a strange bug. Guess you will just have to play it on BattleNet then.

 

[Weng]

can u add some screenshots?

 

[IlsNt.RiTz]

Great Map! I love it

 

[whynotzoidberg]

this is one of best rpg maps out there but here is only 3 pages of comments? i dont see logic at all map is pure awesome 5/5 its a map you must play

 

[Dr Super Good]

this is one of best rpg maps out there but here is only 3 pages of comments? i dont see logic at all map is pure awesome 5/5 its a map you must play

Because it is not really... Although it was fun, it had serious balance problems end game, at least when I played it. Specifically how the scaling went exponentially with an exponential exponent so everything had absolutely stupidly high stats at the end game.

There is no need ever for a WC3 map to give stuff millions of HP and hundreds of thousands of damage. This shows poor game design. Sure WoW did it at the end but that was because of the design challenges of adding meaningful expansions (which this game does not have). This caused huge problems with hero abilities where the non scaling ones were rigged early game but useless late game while the scaling ones became over powered at the end game.

I tried to make suggestions of making the normal melee units scale so they were useful passed level 1-10 but they ignored me as some kind of troll.

 

[whynotzoidberg]

bigger numbers means its poorly design? no offense but this sounds like total bs i dont see any logic at all there why does it matter there is small numbers or big arent balancing big numbers harder work than balacing small numbers? also i prefer big numbers than small numbers like weapons giving few stats 1-10 or +50dmg etc that makes me feel not powerfull at all ;p


p.s. new version and code wipe i see should play again with friends

 

[Dr Super Good]

no offense but this sounds like total bs i dont see any logic at all there why does it matter there is small numbers or big arent balancing big numbers harder work than balacing small numbers?

Because it adds nothing to the game next to frustration.

Lets say every 5 levels doubles the stats of monsters. Now monsters 10 levels above you have 4 times the attack and health. However if you get to monsters 400 levels above you they have 1,208,925,819,614,629,174,706,176 times the attack and health of you. Not only will they one shot you, but they will one shot you by several million times. Additionally any damage you do might not be doing damage at all. Heck they will totally wipe you if you only have 120,892,581,961,462,917,470,617 times the stats since you are still an order of magnitude out. Good luck gauging that extra 10, from your stat window as the numbers are already probably overflowing the UI.

also i prefer big numbers than small numbers like weapons giving few stats 1-10 or +50dmg etc that makes me feel not powerfull at all ;p

It is if you only have 10 stats and 50 damage. Obviously for a multi hundred level RPG that would be a tad too small. But on the other hand having 1,000,000,000,000 damage is a tad too large.

There should be a linear component to strength that increases every level. There should also be a slight exponential component that increases every level. This way end game content will still wipe you out in one shot but does so without over killing you millions of times and that you can actually read the end game stats.

For example lets say you start at level 1 and you have 10 power. Every 50 levels doubles your power and every level adds 1 power (before exponential). This means that at level 400 you would have approximately 103,263 times the stats at level 1. This is quite reasonable and if armor was used to raise HP instead of pure HP you will still have low enough health to see in the UI. You will also still get some nice items with like +100,000 damage and stuff. Abilities are also easier to keep balanced since you do not need to make sure they are hitting at the correct order of magnitude (out of the 10-20 odd covered) to be meaningful or not OP. I know that this map suffered a lot from that with abilities being rigged mid game and totally useless end game as they could not actually scratch anything next to maybe crowd controlling enemies.

 

[Faschiertes]

My Opinion to the latest map release

Please note that my english is not my mother-language and the following text will have some mistake in it.

First of all I'd like to thank you for making such an amazing map. Since I invested hours if not days into this game, a at least single replay should be made.

I played the last couple version and was very satisfied with them. Of course there where certain bugs where player could exploit the system, but it was overall pretty stable. Allthough i am playing the latest version right now i'd like to critize a couple of things:

1) The Skillssystem is in my opinion way to hard to achieve. Dont get me wrong, if someone i willing to invest hours into upgrading the skills, he or she sure can do, but to relate the skills to the mainquest is to much (lvl 6 speechcraft to acces the Demon Sword? I reached lvl 120 before speechcraft lvl 6). But that is not the only thing that takes away the fun. Forging weapons gets so repetitive if you get a mere +6 Experience for that early game items + you are not able to craft better items to get more exp, eventhough you have the ingriedients materials. A different scaling would be a RELIEF. Hunting and thievery is ok i guess, same goes for lockpicking, since it doesnt affect gameplay that much.

2) I know you invested so much time in removing the bugs, but there are still to many bugs and glitches. A certain bug appeared when i tried to purchase property and destroyed the towers in the graveyard south of the 2nd city. Instead of spending gold, i got gold for everything i purchased. So i had like max gold with lvl 15. A other bug occurs during the evil main quest. When trying to get the skeleton artefact you only get a acolyte soul (or what its called), rendering you unable to finish the quest. Furthermore there doors are avoidable when summoning units. I dont know if this is intended but this makes the game way to easy

3) Could you please update the Set-Items-Description of your homepage? I dont know if its fan-made, but i guess that couple of things dont work, how they should. (is the key of the one still included in the game? have played nearly 24h with different players on different maps, but havent seen any)
4) I didnt play all characters so far, but reducing casting animation of some of them (demon hunter), would make the hero more efficient. Furthermore i think that adding a splashdmg or passive splash spell pretty useless. You dont get in so many situation where you face 6 enemys next to you, that requiere 8 or 9 hits to kill. They either die on one hit or, if it really takes 9 hits, they kill you.


I am willing to write you more in the future, if you are interested in my opinion. Please dont get my critization wrong, i love this game and think that its probably one of the best games i played so far. Its works with the old wc3 dynamics without that pretty and fancy TKOK engine. Thanks for reading and the very best.

Faschiertes

 

[whynotzoidberg]

well what ever i still enjoy map and its my favorite map of all time becuz u can complete it solo havent seen any other rpg map wich would be this awesome and what you could beat it solo

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

havent seen any other rpg map wich would be this awesome and what you could beat it solo

Hey, enough trolling.

 

[whynotzoidberg]

hey derp how about you first post these ""other awesome rpg maps what can beat SOLO" and i dont mean ONLY single player rpg maps but maps what can play also multiplayer

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Gaias completely can be beaten solo, tkok can be, goh can be except 1 boss. And every one map of 3 I wrote here is 999 times beter then this one in any meaning.

 

[Dr Super Good]

And every one map of 3 I wrote here is 999 times beter then this one in any meaning.

Those maps generally seem better balanced. Although this map has some pretty cool ideas (PvP, rts hybrid etc) they are very poorly implemented. Where as maps like TKoK end with you having reasonable numbers of damage and health (order of thousands) this map ends with damage and health exceeding the hundred million range. Your 30 damage knight is so useful when you hero can over kill it a million times every attack.