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Cryptrobbers
CRYPTROBBER is an undead campaign focusing on the cryptlord Salah al-Din and the dark ranger Kathris Darkmoon (and a few supporting heroes as well, from brewmasters to deathknights to fallen archmages). 14 maps total, 9 of them playable, 5 cinematics (though most of them can be subtly influenced by the player).
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i have played this campaing throught and i can say that it was great. only prob is that maker should had made new abis for heros and not original ones.
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Decent, but it gets a bit dull sometimes.
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Cryptrobbers
by Diskordjah
I enjoyed this campaign a lot! At first I was a bit sceptic since I used to not like own undead campaigns. This truly made me change my mind.
Pros:
This campaign have some really cool maps like "Landfall". It was while I was playing that mission I got stuck in this great story
I really was amazed by the different maps and creative quests. Indeed very fun!
Cons:
A bit easy, the creator use a (in some way) easy made AI scripts. So there's no really resistance.
Overall:
I recommend this campaign to users wanting a great story with enjoyable maps. Hardcore players may not like it as much since it's easy.
I'll reward it with a score 9, good job Diskordjah !
by Diskordjah
I enjoyed this campaign a lot! At first I was a bit sceptic since I used to not like own undead campaigns. This truly made me change my mind.
Pros:
This campaign have some really cool maps like "Landfall". It was while I was playing that mission I got stuck in this great story
I really was amazed by the different maps and creative quests. Indeed very fun!Cons:
A bit easy, the creator use a (in some way) easy made AI scripts. So there's no really resistance.
Overall:
I recommend this campaign to users wanting a great story with enjoyable maps. Hardcore players may not like it as much since it's easy.
I'll reward it with a score 9, good job Diskordjah !
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HOW am I supposed to make it with a 1-level hero and a scarab against 50 elves? HOW???
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This campaign is awesome, with a really good story line (especially since it is sorta-nonlinear). The difficulty gets progressively harder, and it's a nice challenge to try to beat the whole thing.
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I played your campaign and I absolutely loved it! The maps are very well-made and the map is good! I would love to see a sequel, of Kathris leading her orc army against Illidan's, perharps even allying with Shattrath City, getting her revenge on the blood elves and securing herself as ruler of Outland?
Is Kathris Darkmoon the counterpart for Sylvanas Windrunner? Because, from what I read during the campaign, Kael'thas says she was the ranger general of Silvermoon.
Is Kathris Darkmoon the counterpart for Sylvanas Windrunner? Because, from what I read during the campaign, Kael'thas says she was the ranger general of Silvermoon.
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oh the one the classic.
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Thanks to tulee for making this one known to me.
It has a nice story and some good levels but it's lacking customized content and doesn't want to get out of the Warcraft almost at all.
EDIT:
Moved to Approved as for its time it doesn't deserve to be Substandard.
-gold mines aren't invulnerable!? Also, circles of power. Same fountains. I think it's because you used the pick every uni on playable map trigger and disabled invulnerability after a scene
-few ramp visual glitches
-some transmissions run too fast
-unit animations freeze if they are used via the trigger. They need to be reset or replaced before they end
-the Wendigos can attack a building placed right at the cliff edge These creatures don't drop a thing
-few ramp visual glitches
-some transmissions run too fast
-unit animations freeze if they are used via the trigger. They need to be reset or replaced before they end
-the Wendigos can attack a building placed right at the cliff edge
These creatures don't drop a thing-Pirates of Darkwater
-why would you call an interlude a chapter? I mean that's not how WcIII did it anyway. I guess, it's like reading a book then
-two heroes with the same spell: Drunken Brawler
-pressing ESC to skip cinematic scenes is bugged as the whole map remains discovered and the camera does not reset
-if you decided to give boats food slots, why not also upgrade ones too when the enemy attacks you from the get-go with full upgrades? Ships are totally useless against aerial units since they have normal attack type and 0 light armour when the air units have light armour and piercing attack...
-I appreciate the huge gold amount on the starting mine but what about some exploring and expansion?
-the shipyard should have been placed near the towers to have some protection...
-upgrades are pretty much useless until you get infantry somewhere
-I restarted and now they only attack with boats. First time, I went to the nerubians nearby and after a short while they came with full upgraded Destroyers, Gargoyles and a Frost Wyrm
-no orbs for the melee heroes to attack air...
-nerubians come to attack when you build something near the shipyard...
-it's very annoying that you have to use a specific tactic to do it properly
-third time I restarted, they attacked me with Ghouls...
-the way to the pyre isn't too well defended; there's a problem though aside an Abomination respawning, the gargoyles have their HP restored to full for some reason. I actually thought you'd have to use a transport to get there...
-Jolly has the same icon as the Bandit Lord
-Goblin Merchant can be destroyed by the enemy... The funny thing is, you can repair it in mere 1-2 seconds
-no loot from neutral units? But there are some random items like Slippers of Agility+3 on the ground!?
-oh, wow 10th level dragons and near your base? Well, that's more than overpowered
-this level needs balance and tactics rework
-two undefended mines near each other?
-you realize you can destroy the enemy bases with the dragons? Or not because you have that trigger which instantly regenerates their everything
-this level's design is totally rushed
-units are still heard fighting (announcer) during the end scene
-why would you call an interlude a chapter? I mean that's not how WcIII did it anyway. I guess, it's like reading a book then
-two heroes with the same spell: Drunken Brawler
-pressing ESC to skip cinematic scenes is bugged as the whole map remains discovered and the camera does not reset
-if you decided to give boats food slots, why not also upgrade ones too when the enemy attacks you from the get-go with full upgrades? Ships are totally useless against aerial units since they have normal attack type and 0 light armour when the air units have light armour and piercing attack...
-I appreciate the huge gold amount on the starting mine but what about some exploring and expansion?
-the shipyard should have been placed near the towers to have some protection...
-upgrades are pretty much useless until you get infantry somewhere
-I restarted and now they only attack with boats. First time, I went to the nerubians nearby and after a short while they came with full upgraded Destroyers, Gargoyles and a Frost Wyrm
-no orbs for the melee heroes to attack air...
-nerubians come to attack when you build something near the shipyard...
-it's very annoying that you have to use a specific tactic to do it properly
-third time I restarted, they attacked me with Ghouls...
-the way to the pyre isn't too well defended; there's a problem though aside an Abomination respawning, the gargoyles have their HP restored to full for some reason. I actually thought you'd have to use a transport to get there...
-Jolly has the same icon as the Bandit Lord
-Goblin Merchant can be destroyed by the enemy... The funny thing is, you can repair it in mere 1-2 seconds
-no loot from neutral units? But there are some random items like Slippers of Agility+3 on the ground!?
-oh, wow 10th level dragons and near your base? Well, that's more than overpowered
-this level needs balance and tactics rework
-two undefended mines near each other?
-you realize you can destroy the enemy bases with the dragons? Or not
because you have that trigger which instantly regenerates their everything-this level's design is totally rushed
-units are still heard fighting (announcer) during the end scene
-could have found another model for the other crypt lord and made him a ranged intel hero for example
-I had Imapale on the caliph, not Carrion Beetles...
-oh, so now those mines are defended?
-at least you can still buy dragons... talk about diversity of gameplay...
-again, neutral buildings are not invulnerable
-90% of this level is just a copy of the previous one
-the pirates don't attack!?
-this level is filler
-you can buy ships from the enemy shipyard...
-the pandaren didn't have the items I left him with
-I had Imapale on the caliph, not Carrion Beetles...
-oh, so now those mines are defended?
-at least you can still buy dragons... talk about diversity of gameplay...
-again, neutral buildings are not invulnerable
-90% of this level is just a copy of the previous one
-the pirates don't attack!?
-this level is filler
-you can buy ships from the enemy shipyard...
-the pandaren didn't have the items I left him with
-play music with the other trigger to not hear it through the sound channel
-you can briefly see the minimap before it fades to black mask after the intro
-where is Perenolde? I can only see Ragman; alright he's on the other side of the river to be met a bit later
-the land blighted without the sacrificial skull needed to be used
-Skeletal Artifact looks like Orb of Corruption
-only Salah can give the above mentioned artifact to the necromancer..
-there's a zone in the forest east of the southern blue base where you can go. It doesn't serve any purpose, there's nothing there; might as well fill the blanks
-for some reason Carrion Beetles are immune to the mines... Actually everybody is. Might it be a trigger error because I have not went yet to Ragman after the lumber quest? Same goes for the mines near the green undead base
-by the way, Ragman has no hero glow. You could have found another model for the hero though
-many ghouls from the lumber camp will just stand idly after some trees are down
-some quests don't have their requirements grayed after completion like the one with hauting the gold mine
-quest messages aren't nicely shown. Some colour, why not like in the original game? It's sometimes hard to follow the next thing to do especially when there's no modification to the requirements in the quest log
-during the scene with Perenolde, the crypt lords were raising scarabs
-maybe that Dalar Archmage at least level 6?
-funny thing about destroying the east bridge is that I've razed the southern human base with the heroes and a demolisher
-the western bridge can be destroyed by mortar teams attacking you while crossing it
-I really needed some boots of speed in this level
-it's good you don't have to wait 25 mins for Perenolde. Actually you don't even have to start the quest as it can be finished by liberating the pass
-killing Dal'Vengyr results in defeat... I did not get any quest about him, just went with the boat there
-you can still cross places where bridges were, and underwater
-instead of four circles of power to open/close the gate, there could have been only one with two abilities
-weird, Dal'Vengyr has a Sky Barge too. Why wouldn't he be able to think of an assassination stratagem too?
-lovely sky barge exploration (secrets)
-honestly speaking you can break through the paladin's defenses with ease even only your two heroes; Dal'Vengyr would have had little problems with his army
-odd that the green undead don't have any Shades to see yours
-saved the game in a new file (that should have been a game message so you can see it in the log in case you miss it) but now what? Well, Ragman had no ! sign this time
-the elves are attacking the Disease Clouds in front of the main undead base... Where did they even come from all of a sudde?
-the sky barge is automatically teleported in front of the huge unit selling cathedral if it goes over those little cathedral towers
-melee elven units will try to reach the disease clouds... and of course they can't but they do it; the clouds should have been invulnerable or even better have the locust ability
-well, how are you supposed to pass or them to you if the east bridge was destroyed, aside from the bug that you still can? Because reaching by ship or barge isn't too nice with all the towers
-time changing during the end scene
-you can briefly see the minimap before it fades to black mask after the intro
-where is Perenolde? I can only see Ragman; alright he's on the other side of the river to be met a bit later
-the land blighted without the sacrificial skull needed to be used
-Skeletal Artifact looks like Orb of Corruption
-only Salah can give the above mentioned artifact to the necromancer..
-there's a zone in the forest east of the southern blue base where you can go. It doesn't serve any purpose, there's nothing there; might as well fill the blanks
-for some reason Carrion Beetles are immune to the mines... Actually everybody is. Might it be a trigger error because I have not went yet to Ragman after the lumber quest? Same goes for the mines near the green undead base
-by the way, Ragman has no hero glow. You could have found another model for the hero though
-many ghouls from the lumber camp will just stand idly after some trees are down
-some quests don't have their requirements grayed after completion like the one with hauting the gold mine
-quest messages aren't nicely shown. Some colour, why not like in the original game? It's sometimes hard to follow the next thing to do especially when there's no modification to the requirements in the quest log
-during the scene with Perenolde, the crypt lords were raising scarabs
-maybe that Dalar Archmage at least level 6?
-funny thing about destroying the east bridge is that I've razed the southern human base with the heroes and a demolisher
-the western bridge can be destroyed by mortar teams attacking you while crossing it
-I really needed some boots of speed in this level
-it's good you don't have to wait 25 mins for Perenolde. Actually you don't even have to start the quest as it can be finished by liberating the pass
-killing Dal'Vengyr results in defeat... I did not get any quest about him, just went with the boat there
-you can still cross places where bridges were, and underwater
-instead of four circles of power to open/close the gate, there could have been only one with two abilities
-weird, Dal'Vengyr has a Sky Barge too. Why wouldn't he be able to think of an assassination stratagem too?
-lovely sky barge exploration (secrets)
-honestly speaking you can break through the paladin's defenses with ease even only your two heroes; Dal'Vengyr would have had little problems with his army
-odd that the green undead don't have any Shades to see yours
-saved the game in a new file (that should have been a game message so you can see it in the log in case you miss it) but now what? Well, Ragman had no ! sign this time
-the elves are attacking the Disease Clouds in front of the main undead base... Where did they even come from all of a sudde?
-the sky barge is automatically teleported in front of the huge unit selling cathedral if it goes over those little cathedral towers
-melee elven units will try to reach the disease clouds... and of course they can't but they do it; the clouds should have been invulnerable or even better have the locust ability
-well, how are you supposed to pass or them to you if the east bridge was destroyed, aside from the bug that you still can? Because reaching by ship or barge isn't too nice with all the towers
-time changing during the end scene
-a random swordsman recognized her especially in the ragged clothes and all, oh well
-but there were no others liches with Arthas during Silvermoon siege; anyways, a Sylvanas clone
-didn't know Dalaran was a school for rangers too...
-disease clouds can be destroyed
-Terrodar gains a level when killing a black arrow skeleton; not sure if enemy heroes should gain level in non-base building maps
-I love it that there are more ways to getting to the end, makes exploring viable
-when you break the chunks under the archway, some mushroom trees also fall down But just some Banshees?
-the goblin shredder has the Select User ability. Why? Also, the camera switches as if in cinematic mode when meeting him
-no idea how to get to the gold coins behind the gate just near of the starting cells. Blink moves the hero back in front of the gate, outside
-a lot of the fleeing elves are positioned as if guarding
-Jolly can reach level 8 while Kathris only 6
-the runes where the skeletons are in the place you teleport to with the dagger, the runes should appear after killing some of them
-so, I don't get it. You can use Charm on Spellbreakers which are immune to magic but can't on Naga Royal Guards because they have Resistant Skin!?
-looks like the naga even had time to build a base for a barbeque
-breaking the gate at the end will show a wall
-how did that spirit reach Jolly to Dalaran though?
-but there were no others liches with Arthas during Silvermoon siege; anyways, a Sylvanas clone
-didn't know Dalaran was a school for rangers too...
-disease clouds can be destroyed
-Terrodar gains a level when killing a black arrow skeleton; not sure if enemy heroes should gain level in non-base building maps
-I love it that there are more ways to getting to the end, makes exploring viable
-when you break the chunks under the archway, some mushroom trees also fall down
But just some Banshees?-the goblin shredder has the Select User ability. Why? Also, the camera switches as if in cinematic mode when meeting him
-no idea how to get to the gold coins behind the gate just near of the starting cells. Blink moves the hero back in front of the gate, outside
-a lot of the fleeing elves are positioned as if guarding
-Jolly can reach level 8 while Kathris only 6
-the runes where the skeletons are in the place you teleport to with the dagger, the runes should appear after killing some of them
-so, I don't get it. You can use Charm on Spellbreakers which are immune to magic but can't on Naga Royal Guards because they have Resistant Skin!?
-looks like the naga even had time to build a base for a barbeque
-breaking the gate at the end will show a wall
-how did that spirit reach Jolly to Dalaran though?
-so, what's the thing with the Shade? How is it related to the thief and how did they find it?
-apart from the level being so small, there's a glyph in a box right in the beginning which temporarily shows the whole map...
-Salah's spells are not how I chose them...
-yet another filler level; really boring, killing units on the map
-what's a troll hut doing in a prison cell?
-chapter IIX? What!?
-apart from the level being so small, there's a glyph in a box right in the beginning which temporarily shows the whole map...
-Salah's spells are not how I chose them...
-yet another filler level; really boring, killing units on the map
-what's a troll hut doing in a prison cell?
-chapter IIX? What!?
-oh my gods... now I don't have the ultimate on Salah as chosen previously...
-when the enemy attacked somebody gave bloodlust to my hero
-huh? I've got a Kelen's Dagger of Escape!? Noticed it after an hour
-destroying workers and production facilities should be enough,,,
-Salah finale: he isn't coming to the necromancer hall... worked when I started the level again. Heh, I was suspecting Coam for some time (levels) now. But meh, why would the Lich King do silly tests and waste his commanders and armies like that when they said they were runnig somewhat short of undead... Also, Coam is an idiot, absolutely.
-when the enemy attacked somebody gave bloodlust to my hero
-huh? I've got a Kelen's Dagger of Escape!? Noticed it after an hour
-destroying workers and production facilities should be enough,,,
-Salah finale: he isn't coming to the necromancer hall... worked when I started the level again. Heh, I was suspecting Coam for some time (levels) now. But meh, why would the Lich King do silly tests and waste his commanders and armies like that when they said they were runnig somewhat short of undead... Also, Coam is an idiot, absolutely.
-well, you kind of erased Sylvanas and replaced it with this Kathris
-killed all blood elves; should have made them stronger; hope they're not needed later
-I don't know, why would she think there would be anything left of Khadgar's expedition? Shouldn't she be thinking of Alleria instead for instance. Anyways, I doubt she should know of the second war
-netherdrakes sleeping during the night...
-the demons obviously outnumbered and outpowered the orcs but heh; also, what's that, he was going to declare his triumph!? What, was he stupid? Maybe the orcs or some of them would have ran somewhere until that idiot returned? Where was he going to move through anyway? There was no road to nowhere but a dead end to a cliff edge
-the Nether Dragon is more powerful than the pit lord
-this level could have just very well been a cinematic one
-she even knew the orc's name
-killed all blood elves; should have made them stronger; hope they're not needed later
-I don't know, why would she think there would be anything left of Khadgar's expedition? Shouldn't she be thinking of Alleria instead for instance. Anyways, I doubt she should know of the second war
-netherdrakes sleeping during the night...
-the demons obviously outnumbered and outpowered the orcs but heh; also, what's that, he was going to declare his triumph!? What, was he stupid? Maybe the orcs or some of them would have ran somewhere until that idiot returned? Where was he going to move through anyway? There was no road to nowhere but a dead end to a cliff edge
-the Nether Dragon is more powerful than the pit lord
-this level could have just very well been a cinematic one
-she even knew the orc's name
-Melkisedek has no hero glow (+his selection circle is too big) but why does he have an infernal stone? He's not supposed to be a warlock... because of, traditionalists...
-Fel Wyrm without chaos attack?
-hehe boi, buying netherdrakes Kind of imbalanced if you ask me if you have the patience to raise a high upkeep army of them
-one of the grunts (on the left/west) was blocked between a barricade and a burrow
-that was nice. As soon as the nether dragon cooldown comes to 0, nether drakes come to the nest
-demon bodies were teleported or appeared between the town hall and the dragon nestl ok for some reason, they are multiplying. It possibly has something to do with them dying near the way gate to my base
-the revealing a player's outpost shouldn't be viable in campaign mode
-the trolls eliminated the blood elves; what the hell are trolls doing here as a power? Ogres are native to Draenor, so they should have been organized as a faction instead
-crap, the netherdrakes return
-there's a neutral town hall guarded by the gray orcs near a mine. I thought it'd be rescuable
-there's a town portal FX in front of the blood elven base
-"we have defeated the fallen orcs" but I have not, the draenei did... You can just sit around in the base and wait for most of your enemies to be killed by others...
-I don't think the watchers attack anyone
-after reaching 22 killed demons, they didn't quite come any longer
-how do the trolls get to the belves, only one way in?
-I think the watchers summon a level 1 Warden after their 4th level one dies and after you kill this one, they'll revive the other one
-90k mine in the mid!?
-draenei and troll buildings are a joke, they have 125 HP and 0 armour
-finale: there's some camera clipping (the underparts of the ground is seen) at the part with the frozen gate
-Fel Wyrm without chaos attack?
-hehe boi, buying netherdrakes
Kind of imbalanced if you ask me if you have the patience to raise a high upkeep army of them-one of the grunts (on the left/west) was blocked between a barricade and a burrow
-that was nice. As soon as the nether dragon cooldown comes to 0, nether drakes come to the nest
-demon bodies were teleported or appeared between the town hall and the dragon nestl ok for some reason, they are multiplying. It possibly has something to do with them dying near the way gate to my base
-the revealing a player's outpost shouldn't be viable in campaign mode
-the trolls eliminated the blood elves; what the hell are trolls doing here as a power? Ogres are native to Draenor, so they should have been organized as a faction instead
-crap, the netherdrakes return
-there's a neutral town hall guarded by the gray orcs near a mine. I thought it'd be rescuable
-there's a town portal FX in front of the blood elven base
-"we have defeated the fallen orcs" but I have not, the draenei did... You can just sit around in the base and wait for most of your enemies to be killed by others...
-I don't think the watchers attack anyone
-after reaching 22 killed demons, they didn't quite come any longer
-how do the trolls get to the belves, only one way in?
-I think the watchers summon a level 1 Warden after their 4th level one dies and after you kill this one, they'll revive the other one
-90k mine in the mid!?
-draenei and troll buildings are a joke, they have 125 HP and 0 armour
-finale: there's some camera clipping (the underparts of the ground is seen) at the part with the frozen gate
It has a nice story and some good levels but it's lacking customized content and doesn't want to get out of the Warcraft almost at all.
EDIT:
Moved to Approved as for its time it doesn't deserve to be Substandard.
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Nice review
I think Salah al-Din knew that the thief would try to keep an eye on him, so he recruited trolls with the ability to both see the shade and track it.
Since the Scourge's presence in the Plaguelands was in danger, the Lich King had to be sure that his field commanders were both competent and loyal. Salah al-Din is clearly a powerful force in the battlefield, but he is not exactly a military genius.
Yeah. Coam is an idiot. Did he really expect Salah al-Din not to kill him when he was that close? No competent villain should let their enemies get this close without bodyguards at least.
This is clearly an alternate timeline.
Though I am surprised that they mention the Forsaken earlier. This means that someone else had the same idea as Sylvanas, though they will fail without Sylvanas' leadership.
I killed them all too, felt no regret and actually relished on it. I think this game awakens the sociopath within me.
Most likely there were others that were left behind.
If Sylvanas doesn't exist in this universe, doesn't that imply that Alleria doesn't as well?
It is more realistic than most campaigns were all our enemies are entirely focused on us and ignore the others.
I think Salah al-Din knew that the thief would try to keep an eye on him, so he recruited trolls with the ability to both see the shade and track it.
Since the Scourge's presence in the Plaguelands was in danger, the Lich King had to be sure that his field commanders were both competent and loyal. Salah al-Din is clearly a powerful force in the battlefield, but he is not exactly a military genius.
Yeah. Coam is an idiot. Did he really expect Salah al-Din not to kill him when he was that close? No competent villain should let their enemies get this close without bodyguards at least.
This is clearly an alternate timeline.
Though I am surprised that they mention the Forsaken earlier. This means that someone else had the same idea as Sylvanas, though they will fail without Sylvanas' leadership.
I killed them all too, felt no regret and actually relished on it. I think this game awakens the sociopath within me.
Most likely there were others that were left behind.
If Sylvanas doesn't exist in this universe, doesn't that imply that Alleria doesn't as well?
It is more realistic than most campaigns were all our enemies are entirely focused on us and ignore the others.
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We don't know she doesn't exist. She was not mentioned and it was said that Kathris was killed and turned by Arthas pointing to her replacing Sylvanas although she could have just been another ranger in the war. Honestly speaking there was no Kael'thas then either. An excuse for him might be that we could have been in Dalaran and left Dalaran after finding out about Silvermoon but it's doubtful because the undead returned from Silvermoon to Dalaran so, Kael'thas did nothing to even try to get Arthas like Sylvanas did afterwards and she was even in more danger than Kael because she was right amidst the Scourge.
That's an excuse for petty execution. The creator already made the two orc bases not to attack, so, the troll and draenei factions should have been weaker so that the player would be the one to destroy them ultimately. Also, because of that flaw, the optional quest cannot be completed.
I doubt that as the world was in brink of destruction as WcII says and it mentions them all going with Khadgar. But, if we are to judge everything by the excuse of alternative universe, then there's not even any reason to debate and it's not Warcraft anymore. And, no, it was not quite clear that it was supposed to be a Warcraft story edit but more of an addon.
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Maybe in this story Kathris surpassed Sylvanas and became ranger-general instead and Sylvanas was simply another ranger.
Kael appears in the story, as he is the leader of the Blood Elves in Outland and banishes Kathris, merely for the crime of being undead. That is why I felt no regret in killing him and his subjects.
Outland became a desolated place with rocks floating and all, so I guess the destruction might have been quite large.
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No, I don't think that was just it. I think, the actual crimes were during her being undead and not free-willed.
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That is truly idiotic. How can someone by judged for actions they did without any sort of control? Should a baby be judged if the mother dies during labour? Should a slave be condemned if his master orders him to kill someone?
Kael and the elves should know that Kathris didn't had any sort of control over her actions. She was actually braver than them all, as she fought till the end, while most of them either fled or weren't at Silvermoon during the attack. Kael talked and acted all bravely, but he fled from Arthas when he started losing during the battle for Icecrown.
She deserved a reward for her bravery and for deciding to follow her brethren to such desolate place. Instead they reject her simply for becoming undead against her will. It is even hypocritical from them, since they were convicted for an action they were forced to commit, ally with the nagas, days before.
And by the way: in the first mission why there is a spot showing Illidan, Vashj and Kael observing the map, when they weren't togetheh by that time of the story?
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Actually, it's more idiotic to judge in the manner you've mentioned, by just being undead. One good reason could have been that Kael was just suspicious and didn't want to risk an assassination or infiltration (spying-intelligence).
That doesn't make him cowardly but smart. Why die when you can try again? The same Thrall & Jaina did during the Twilight of the Gods.
I don't remember the details.
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Point taken.
In Twilight of the Gods, the purpose was simply to delay Archimonde, not to hold him off forever.
In the book, Kael kept taunting Arthas, claiming that he would win once they fought. During the fight, Kael had to taunt in order to hold his ground and the moment he started losing, he teleported. And later we find out that he fled to Outland and left several of his own men to die in Northrend, that would be raised and become the Darkfallen.
They are standing on a cliff close to the place Kathris meet Jolly, north of the mercenary building.
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doesn't matter.
Didn't happen in TfT, at least not like that.
That's weird. I don't remember it. Maybe, some sort of Easter Egg? Or?
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Thanks to tulee for making this one known to me.
-gold mines aren't invulnerable!? Also, circles of power. Same fountains. I think it's because you used the pick every uni on playable map trigger and disabled invulnerability after a scene
-few ramp visual glitches
-some transmissions run too fast
-unit animations freeze if they are used via the trigger. They need to be reset or replaced before they end
-the Wendigos can attack a building placed right at the cliff edge
-Pirates of Darkwater
-why would you call an interlude a chapter? I mean that's not how WcIII did it anyway. I guess, it's like reading a book then
-two heroes with the same spell: Drunken Brawler
-pressing ESC to skip cinematic scenes is bugged as the whole map remains discovered and the camera does not reset
-if you decided to give boats food slots, why not also upgrade ones too when the enemy attacks you from the get-go with full upgrades? Ships are totally useless against aerial units since they have normal attack type and 0 light armour when the air units have light armour and piercing attack...
-I appreciate the huge gold amount on the starting mine but what about some exploring and expansion?
-the shipyard should have been placed near the towers to have some protection...
-upgrades are pretty much useless until you get infantry somewhere
-I restarted and now they only attack with boats. First time, I went to the nerubians nearby and after a short while they came with full upgraded Destroyers, Gargoyles and a Frost Wyrm
-no orbs for the melee heroes to attack air...
-nerubians come to attack when you build something near the shipyard...
-it's very annoying that you have to use a specific tactic to do it properly
-third time I restarted, they attacked me with Ghouls...
-the way to the pyre isn't too well defended; there's a problem though aside an Abomination respawning, the gargoyles have their HP restored to full for some reason. I actually thought you'd have to use a transport to get there...
-Jolly has the same icon as the Bandit Lord
-Goblin Merchant can be destroyed by the enemy... The funny thing is, you can repair it in mere 1-2 seconds
-no loot from neutral units? But there are some random items like Slippers of Agility+3 on the ground!?
-oh, wow 10th level dragons and near your base? Well, that's more than overpowered
-this level needs balance and tactics rework
-two undefended mines near each other?
-you realize you can destroy the enemy bases with the dragons? Or not
-this level's design is totally rushed
-units are still heard fighting (announcer) during the end scene
-could have found another model for the other crypt lord and made him a ranged intel hero for example
-I had Imapale on the caliph, not Carrion Beetles...
-oh, so now those mines are defended?
-at least you can still buy dragons... talk about diversity of gameplay...
-again, neutral buildings are not invulnerable
-90% of this level is just a copy of the previous one
-the pirates don't attack!?
-this level is filler
-you can buy ships from the enemy shipyard...
-the pandaren didn't have the items I left him with
-play music with the other trigger to not hear it through the sound channel
-you can briefly see the minimap before it fades to black mask after the intro
-where is Perenolde? I can only see Ragman; alright he's on the other side of the river to be met a bit later
-the land blighted without the sacrificial skull needed to be used
-Skeletal Artifact looks like Orb of Corruption
-only Salah can give the above mentioned artifact to the necromancer..
-there's a zone in the forest east of the southern blue base where you can go. It doesn't serve any purpose, there's nothing there; might as well fill the blanks
-for some reason Carrion Beetles are immune to the mines... Actually everybody is. Might it be a trigger error because I have not went yet to Ragman after the lumber quest? Same goes for the mines near the green undead base
-by the way, Ragman has no hero glow. You could have found another model for the hero though
-many ghouls from the lumber camp will just stand idly after some trees are down
-some quests don't have their requirements grayed after completion like the one with hauting the gold mine
-quest messages aren't nicely shown. Some colour, why not like in the original game? It's sometimes hard to follow the next thing to do especially when there's no modification to the requirements in the quest log
-during the scene with Perenolde, the crypt lords were raising scarabs
-maybe that Dalar Archmage at least level 6?
-funny thing about destroying the east bridge is that I've razed the southern human base with the heroes and a demolisher
-the western bridge can be destroyed by mortar teams attacking you while crossing it
-I really needed some boots of speed in this level
-it's good you don't have to wait 25 mins for Perenolde. Actually you don't even have to start the quest as it can be finished by liberating the pass
-killing Dal'Vengyr results in defeat... I did not get any quest about him, just went with the boat there
-you can still cross places where bridges were, and underwater
-instead of four circles of power to open/close the gate, there could have been only one with two abilities
-weird, Dal'Vengyr has a Sky Barge too. Why wouldn't he be able to think of an assassination stratagem too?
-lovely sky barge exploration (secrets)
-honestly speaking you can break through the paladin's defenses with ease even only your two heroes; Dal'Vengyr would have had little problems with his army
-odd that the green undead don't have any Shades to see yours
-saved the game in a new file (that should have been a game message so you can see it in the log in case you miss it) but now what? Well, Ragman had no ! sign this time
-the elves are attacking the Disease Clouds in front of the main undead base... Where did they even come from all of a sudde?
-the sky barge is automatically teleported in front of the huge unit selling cathedral if it goes over those little cathedral towers
-melee elven units will try to reach the disease clouds... and of course they can't but they do it; the clouds should have been invulnerable or even better have the locust ability
-well, how are you supposed to pass or them to you if the east bridge was destroyed, aside from the bug that you still can? Because reaching by ship or barge isn't too nice with all the towers
-time changing during the end scene
-a random swordsman recognized her especially in the ragged clothes and all, oh well
-but there were no others liches with Arthas during Silvermoon siege; anyways, a Sylvanas clone
-didn't know Dalaran was a school for rangers too...
-disease clouds can be destroyed
-Terrodar gains a level when killing a black arrow skeleton; not sure if enemy heroes should gain level in non-base building maps
-I love it that there are more ways to getting to the end, makes exploring viable
-when you break the chunks under the archway, some mushroom trees also fall down
-the goblin shredder has the Select User ability. Why? Also, the camera switches as if in cinematic mode when meeting him
-no idea how to get to the gold coins behind the gate just near of the starting cells. Blink moves the hero back in front of the gate, outside
-a lot of the fleeing elves are positioned as if guarding
-Jolly can reach level 8 while Kathris only 6
-the runes where the skeletons are in the place you teleport to with the dagger, the runes should appear after killing some of them
-so, I don't get it. You can use Charm on Spellbreakers which are immune to magic but can't on Naga Royal Guards because they have Resistant Skin!?
-looks like the naga even had time to build a base for a barbeque
-breaking the gate at the end will show a wall
-how did that spirit reach Jolly to Dalaran though?
-so, what's the thing with the Shade? How is it related to the thief and how did they find it?
-apart from the level being so small, there's a glyph in a box right in the beginning which temporarily shows the whole map...
-Salah's spells are not how I chose them...
-yet another filler level; really boring, killing units on the map
-what's a troll hut doing in a prison cell?
-chapter IIX? What!?
-oh my gods... now I don't have the ultimate on Salah as chosen previously...
-when the enemy attacked somebody gave bloodlust to my hero
-huh? I've got a Kelen's Dagger of Escape!? Noticed it after an hour
-destroying workers and production facilities should be enough,,,
-Salah finale: he isn't coming to the necromancer hall... worked when I started the level again. Heh, I was suspecting Coam for some time (levels) now. But meh, why would the Lich King do silly tests and waste his commanders and armies like that when they said they were runnig somewhat short of undead... Also, Coam is an idiot, absolutely.
-well, you kind of erased Sylvanas and replaced it with this Kathris
-killed all blood elves; should have made them stronger; hope they're not needed later
-I don't know, why would she think there would be anything left of Khadgar's expedition? Shouldn't she be thinking of Alleria instead for instance. Anyways, I doubt she should know of the second war
-netherdrakes sleeping during the night...
-the demons obviously outnumbered and outpowered the orcs but heh; also, what's that, he was going to declare his triumph!? What, was he stupid? Maybe the orcs or some of them would have ran somewhere until that idiot returned? Where was he going to move through anyway? There was no road to nowhere but a dead end to a cliff edge
-the Nether Dragon is more powerful than the pit lord
-this level could have just very well been a cinematic one
-she even knew the orc's name
-Melkisedek has no hero glow (+his selection circle is too big) but why does he have an infernal stone? He's not supposed to be a warlock... because of, traditionalists...
-Fel Wyrm without chaos attack?
-hehe boi, buying netherdrakes
-one of the grunts (on the left/west) was blocked between a barricade and a burrow
-that was nice. As soon as the nether dragon cooldown comes to 0, nether drakes come to the nest
-demon bodies were teleported or appeared between the town hall and the dragon nestl ok for some reason, they are multiplying. It possibly has something to do with them dying near the way gate to my base
-the revealing a player's outpost shouldn't be viable in campaign mode
-the trolls eliminated the blood elves; what the hell are trolls doing here as a power? Ogres are native to Draenor, so they should have been organized as a faction instead
-crap, the netherdrakes return
-there's a neutral town hall guarded by the gray orcs near a mine. I thought it'd be rescuable
-there's a town portal FX in front of the blood elven base
-"we have defeated the fallen orcs" but I have not, the draenei did... You can just sit around in the base and wait for most of your enemies to be killed by others...
-I don't think the watchers attack anyone
-after reaching 22 killed demons, they didn't quite come any longer
-how do the trolls get to the belves, only one way in?
-I think the watchers summon a level 1 Warden after their 4th level one dies and after you kill this one, they'll revive the other one
-90k mine in the mid!?
-draenei and troll buildings are a joke, they have 125 HP and 0 armour
-finale: there's some camera clipping (the underparts of the ground is seen) at the part with the frozen gate
It has a nice story and some good levels but it's lacking customized content and doesn't want to get out of the Warcraft almost at all.
Your standard for custom content may be too High when this was 2005
One of those Relics of the past like Bago's Quest, The Saga of Azeroth, The Early adaptations of Wanderers of Sorceria, Shards of Resistence, Mathias Chronicles, or Natures Call.
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Has there been any update or something like that?
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No, it was just moved to the Approved section out of Substandard.
Look at the update details, the year is 2010.
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Salah Ad-Din? Is this a third crusade campaign?
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Nope. Salah Al-Din here is a crypt lord and a Calyph to the Lich King's Will.
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What's supposed to be happening in chapter 3 part 1? It says to hold out, but there's no timer. Also, what do I get for the optional quest? Nobody comes to help me, and I can't tell what I get
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I remember you have to get to a Way Gate somewhere to the north.
There's some information about it somewhere.
There's some information about it somewhere.
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You have to find a way out of the island while holding against Salah Al-Din's forces.
The optional quest allows you to call for reinforcements.
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Finally figured out the main quest. But what about the optional quest? I couldn't find where I was able to call for reinforcements
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There is a small island located northwest of your base, close to the giant mountain. To reach it, blow up an explosion barrel that is next to a tree. Once it explodes, the tree falls and forms a bridge. Go to the island, defeat the undead there and go to the end of the island.
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Right. I completed the actual quest, but nothing happened that I could tell
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A fire is supposed to lighten up. One of your heroes has an item that allows this to happen.
It will take time for reinforcements to arrive.
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Where do they show up at? The mission took me 50 minutes...
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I wouldnt actually recommend calling for reinforcements, just rush for the portal
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The plot is interesting, but the major problem is that nothing is paused during cinematics. I've lost missions because heroes were busy getting themselves killed offscreen while the cinematic kept running.
Salah's skills keep changing from mission to mission (as in, skill points get reattributed differently).
Mission 1: Only two beetles were claimable.
Mission 2: I didn't see any reinforcements, I thought the next mission would have a different ending if the quest was completed. Also, why do the creeps reset on the next map? You pretty much have to slaughter your way through them the first time.
Salah's skills keep changing from mission to mission (as in, skill points get reattributed differently).
Mission 1: Only two beetles were claimable.
Mission 2: I didn't see any reinforcements, I thought the next mission would have a different ending if the quest was completed. Also, why do the creeps reset on the next map? You pretty much have to slaughter your way through them the first time.
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The two missions are supposed to happen at the same time, I guess. Maybe Kathris managed to reach the waygate without having to fight all those creeps.
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The second one mentions that it starts an hour later.
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mission V: i see many good items in unlocked door that i cant come in. they are blocked by tree, river.
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^ Go to the starting point and head west, and kill all the rock chunks you see.
Mission 4:
The open/close gate circles should be out of the way, units keep stepping on them when they leave the city. In fact, I don't really see the point of having them, since the gate doesn't need to be closed until the attack, at which point it dies anyway.
The Ragman should have an exclamation point whenever you need to go back to him.
The village should be blocked off entirely until the mission.
The mines don't actually do damage.
The Sky Barge became invulnerable in one cutscene, and stayed that way until the next one.
So... what happens after the bridges are killed?
The blue paladin ended up neutral in the middle of his own base.
Mission 5:
The swordsman goes from friendly to hostile with no explanation. I mean, he recognizes her, but he can't see she's undead?
No indication of where the dagger is, or how to open the door. You could at least have the goblin turn hostile and have the heroes mention what they need to open the gate.
Interlude: There was a worker and a priest still waiting at the portal when Kathris went through. They should also be further away from the refugees.
Salah's finale: the other guy dies before Salah actually hits him.
The AIs for each final mission are wonky, some claim gold mines (teal undead and purple orcs), others do nothing (blood elves and night elves).
Kathrys' final mission:
No ranged troops, I had to build an all-dragon air force to get anywhere.
Not enough squishy demons, I'd nearly beaten the map when I finally hit 50 (there were far more attack waves from the south than the north). Also, it'd be better if the ritual closed the portals, having fel orc troops doesn't help that much.
Two Infernal Juggernauts per wave is too many, especially given their tendency to summon two Infernals, leave, come back with the next attack wave, summon four Infernals, leave, etc.
You lose Gethryn after the Fel Orc cutscene.
Overall, a good campaign with an intriguing plot. Props for making Salah a proto-Cocytus.
Mission 4:
The open/close gate circles should be out of the way, units keep stepping on them when they leave the city. In fact, I don't really see the point of having them, since the gate doesn't need to be closed until the attack, at which point it dies anyway.
The Ragman should have an exclamation point whenever you need to go back to him.
The village should be blocked off entirely until the mission.
The mines don't actually do damage.
The Sky Barge became invulnerable in one cutscene, and stayed that way until the next one.
So... what happens after the bridges are killed?
The blue paladin ended up neutral in the middle of his own base.
Mission 5:
The swordsman goes from friendly to hostile with no explanation. I mean, he recognizes her, but he can't see she's undead?
No indication of where the dagger is, or how to open the door. You could at least have the goblin turn hostile and have the heroes mention what they need to open the gate.
Interlude: There was a worker and a priest still waiting at the portal when Kathris went through. They should also be further away from the refugees.
Salah's finale: the other guy dies before Salah actually hits him.
The AIs for each final mission are wonky, some claim gold mines (teal undead and purple orcs), others do nothing (blood elves and night elves).
Kathrys' final mission:
No ranged troops, I had to build an all-dragon air force to get anywhere.
Not enough squishy demons, I'd nearly beaten the map when I finally hit 50 (there were far more attack waves from the south than the north). Also, it'd be better if the ritual closed the portals, having fel orc troops doesn't help that much.
Two Infernal Juggernauts per wave is too many, especially given their tendency to summon two Infernals, leave, come back with the next attack wave, summon four Infernals, leave, etc.
You lose Gethryn after the Fel Orc cutscene.
Overall, a good campaign with an intriguing plot. Props for making Salah a proto-Cocytus.
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Holy wowsers, sudden rush of comments in here. Maybe this needs a remaster, huh
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I remember playing this way back when and I enjoyed playing it again for the nostalgia of it, but it did age rather badly.
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campaign disgust.
many bugs
unbalanced difficulty.
Poor exposure of characters.
the AI of the final level of the lord of the crypt is terribly wrong.
misuse of the wc3 canon characters
mediocre mapping
It is not the worst campaign I have ever played in my life but it is a very bad one.
1 star
many bugs
unbalanced difficulty.
Poor exposure of characters.
the AI of the final level of the lord of the crypt is terribly wrong.
misuse of the wc3 canon characters
mediocre mapping
It is not the worst campaign I have ever played in my life but it is a very bad one.
1 star
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Super fun at times, kinda dull at others but still super solid.
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