1. Updated Resource Submission Rules: All model & skin resource submissions must now include an in-game screenshot. This is to help speed up the moderation process and to show how the model and/or texture looks like from the in-game camera.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. DID YOU KNOW - That you can unlock new rank icons by posting on the forums or winning contests? Click here to customize your rank or read our User Rank Policy to see a list of ranks that you can unlock. Have you won a contest and still havn't received your rank award? Then please contact the administration.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. The Lich King demands your service! We've reached the 19th edition of the Icon Contest. Come along and make some chilling servants for the one true king.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. The 4th SFX Contest has started. Be sure to participate and have a fun factor in it.
    Dismiss Notice
  5. The poll for the 21st Terraining Contest is LIVE. Be sure to check out the entries and vote for one.
    Dismiss Notice
  6. The results are out! Check them out.
    Dismiss Notice
  7. Don’t forget to sign up for the Hive Cup. There’s a 555 EUR prize pool. Sign up now!
    Dismiss Notice
  8. The Hive Workshop Cup contest results have been announced! See the maps that'll be featured in the Hive Workshop Cup tournament!
    Dismiss Notice
  9. Check out the Staff job openings thread.
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
60,000 passwords have been reset on July 8, 2019. If you cannot login, read this.

Chaos Orcs and Fel Orcs: Are they the same?

Discussion in 'Warcraft Discussion' started by Mister_Haudrauf, Jul 21, 2017.

?

Chaos Orcs and Fel Orcs: Are they the same?

  1. Yes

    53.8%
  2. No

    38.5%
  3. Don't know

    7.7%
  1. Mister_Haudrauf

    Mister_Haudrauf

    Model Reviewer

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,071
    Resources:
    58
    Models:
    53
    Icons:
    2
    Packs:
    3
    Resources:
    58
    The title says basically everything.

    What do you think are the Chaos Orcs (Orcs with just red skin)
    [​IMG]
    the same as Outlands Fel Orcs (Orcs with red skin and mutations (Spikes for example) )
    [​IMG]
    ?
     
  2. Shar Dundred

    Shar Dundred

    Joined:
    May 6, 2009
    Messages:
    3,581
    Resources:
    10
    Packs:
    1
    Maps:
    8
    Tutorials:
    1
    Resources:
    10
    I remember reading assumptions that Chaos Orcs were some
    early form of Fel Orcs, but even if that was true, they are the same.
    Blizzard just decided to change the name in Frozen Throne.

    I always prefered the term "Chaos Orcs" over "Fel Orcs".
    Who knows, maybe the similarity to Warhammer stuff (WH40K Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines or pretty much EVERYTHING related to Chaos) was too obvious this time?
     
  3. Mister_Haudrauf

    Mister_Haudrauf

    Model Reviewer

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,071
    Resources:
    58
    Models:
    53
    Icons:
    2
    Packs:
    3
    Resources:
    58
    Well most of the time i get confused, if someone speaks about fel orcs but in reality means Chaos Orcs.

    So in my book they are different.
     
  4. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Aside from the fact that the name difference is seen between the original game and the expansion, it's also relevant to say Chaos Orcs are seen in Kalimdor whilst Fel Orcs in Draenor.
    Now, to further extrapolate. Maybe, Chaos Orcs are those who drank the blood of Mannoroth whilst Fel Orcs didn't or at least mixed it with another demon/pit lord's?
     
  5. Mister_Haudrauf

    Mister_Haudrauf

    Model Reviewer

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,071
    Resources:
    58
    Models:
    53
    Icons:
    2
    Packs:
    3
    Resources:
    58
    Weren't all of the Warsongs cured during the third war? I ask, because the picture i used is of an red skinned Orc Horde Portal-Sentry guarding the Dark Portal and that isn't on Kalimdor, but the eastern kingdoms.
     
  6. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Cured? I'm not sure, they were cured, maybe you refer to the ultimate cure? Cured just like that as in the ingame cinematic scene would be a bit... uncalled for.
    Grom's last sentence.

    Anyways, that orc might be one that came from Draenor after RoC? WoW changed a lot, especially after adding the Fel which creates a lot of controversy since it looks like an evil green energy whilst Chaos (or TFT Fel) was what made eyes glow red and changed the skin to the same colour.

    I guess it all adds up to whichever kind of demon blood they drink, maybe infused with other stuff, like magick.
     
  7. stein123

    stein123

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,792
    Resources:
    9
    Icons:
    9
    Resources:
    9
  8. Kaijyuu

    Kaijyuu

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2004
    Messages:
    848
    Resources:
    0
    Resources:
    0
    Blizzard just loves palette swapping orcs.
     
  9. A Void

    A Void

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2011
    Messages:
    2,499
    Resources:
    10
    Models:
    2
    Spells:
    1
    Tutorials:
    7
    Resources:
    10
    Chaos Orcs, first used in RoC were renamed to Fel Orcs as many other units in TFT. TFT renamed a lot of units to avoid legal trouble, for example:

    Gyrocopter > Flying Machine
    Steam Tank > Siege Engine
    Catapult > Demolisher
    Ballista > Glaive Thrower
    ...
     
  10. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Care to elaborate please? Why would there be any legal issue pertaining a generic fantasy name? I don't think for instance that any of those in the list would be taken as copyright infringement.
     
  11. A Void

    A Void

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2011
    Messages:
    2,499
    Resources:
    10
    Models:
    2
    Spells:
    1
    Tutorials:
    7
    Resources:
    10
    A prievous Warcraft 3 game designer Dave who commented on Abelhawk's easter egg videos told him about the name change for legal reasons.
     
  12. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Interesting. Are there more details or just a one liner? I am really curious to why such a thing had happened.
     
  13. LordDz

    LordDz

    Joined:
    May 11, 2007
    Messages:
    4,307
    Resources:
    0
    Resources:
    0
    They were called Chaos Orcs in Reign of Chaos but with the Frozen Throne expansion they switched names to Fel Orcs.
    So they're the same type, just a name switch.
     
  14. stein123

    stein123

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,792
    Resources:
    9
    Icons:
    9
    Resources:
    9
    I supposed that the issue was with warhammer :c
     
  15. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Please link me a source about Chaos Orcs in Warhammer as I can't really find something viable.
     
  16. stein123

    stein123

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,792
    Resources:
    9
    Icons:
    9
    Resources:
    9
    XD i was talking about the other ones, but i supposed that the chaos as an demonic/corruptive force is pretty much related with warhammer after all (chaos warriors, chaos goblins, chaos ogres, chaos dragons, chaos dwarves, etc)
     
  17. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Oh yeah?

    Steam tank - Wikipedia
    Autogyro - Wikipedia

    And now Warhammer is to be filed a lawsuit?
    Please, this is starting to get lame.
    What I'm saying is, that the name is pretty much useless here although with it the appearance and idea of said concept might open up ripping off for debate.
     
  18. stein123

    stein123

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,792
    Resources:
    9
    Icons:
    9
    Resources:
    9
  19. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,148
    Resources:
    1
    Maps:
    1
    Resources:
    1
    Well, it's as far as design can go. A ballista will still be a ballista, a tank, a tank and so on. But, I sense the frequency of similarity. So, you guys are right.
     
  20. PrinceOfThaWest

    PrinceOfThaWest

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2008
    Messages:
    1,024
    Resources:
    0
    Resources:
    0
    Chaos orcs on Kalimdor drank the blood of Mannoroth the second time and turned all red. Fel Orcs in Outland, however, are both exposed to intense amounts of Fel Corruption, Nether energies and were drinking demon blood in multiple occasions to increase their raw brute strength. I believe it was even stated somewhere among the quests relating to Fel Orcs in TBC about their origins. Kargath Bladefist is among those to blame for their continued usage of demonic powers/blood I believe, as well as Illidan who used them as pawns.

    Overall, Chaos and Fel orcs are not the same lore-wise, of course after Blizzard evolved it in such a way. As for Warlords of Draenor ones, well, I suppose Blizzard went for cool looks there and they surely did a great job with all that greyish-fel combo appearance, but in my honest opinion that change of appearance after one sip of demon blood was a bit over the top.