Castle vs Castle Flame Edition 2.0c

[legorlan]

I've only shortly tested the map, but one thing I found was the dark mages healing ability seemed to heal enemies aswell, that's all

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

That hero is going to be remade, once I end remaking Chaos Orcs =P
Thx for the feedback =D

 

[legorlan]

Okay, i'm going to try out another race and proof check the heroes on those, and since you're doing Chaos orcs atm, I shall do those last I will edit my updates in to this post:
High Elves: Done, Dark Mages heal ability targets enemies ( Already Pointed out) Nothing more.
Night Elves, Orcs, Humans and Undead appear unchanged and function properly.
General: Just a little thing, at the start when the cinematic, fade filter is meant to kick in to give those 4 instructions, for a split second you see the selection building, to get rid of this, just change the event to start the cine to Map Initilisation.
Chaos Orcs: So Far: the chaos warrior's aura doesn't look very chaotic, chaos grunts have 80 hp over normal grunts even though they cost the same, a sign that the race was just orc units with changed models, this was imbalanced, the chaos orc burrow had a chaos attack, which was imbalanced and made it worth being set up as a guard tower with peons in simply because it was so strong, and a peon could easily hop out and fix it, I know the race is still under construction, but on these units it did not say they wern't finsihed so I suggest going over them again , I will look through for antything else. More: I don't think the Chaos orcs would have had, or even cared about drivers lisences, when the chaos beserker mounts the seige vehicle ( forgot the name ) he seems to change to look like a demon out of diablo. The ability the blademaster has to get bonus agility as a chance on hit has it's level 1 info and level 2 info the wrong way round on it's learn tool tip. That's all for now.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Jesus bug post. I wish I could rep++ you but I need to spread it =S

High Elves: Done, Dark Mages heal ability targets enemies ( Already Pointed out) Nothing more.

Well, I am waiting for an update of a system. After that, the DarkMage as you know him will be changed for ever and will be much better =P

Night Elves, Orcs, Humans and Undead appear unchanged and function properly.

I am concerned with new races so far. If I finish them, I may jump to these or maybe I will add Naga.

General: Just a little thing, at the start when the cinematic, fade filter is meant to kick in to give those 4 instructions, for a split second you see the selection building, to get rid of this, just change the event to start the cine to Map Initilisation.

Something I will most likely do.

the chaos warrior's aura doesn't look very chaotic,

Which Aura ?

chaos grunts have 80 hp over normal grunts even though they cost the same, a sign that the race was just orc units with changed models, this was imbalanced,

I am using the native units from the ROC campaign. It may sound unbalanced at start, but you must remember that normal Grunts have a tier 2 upgrade which increases their hp by 150, and Chaos Orcs don't have that bonus.

the chaos orc burrow had a chaos attack, which was imbalanced and made it worth being set up as a guard tower with peons in simply because it was so strong, and a peon could easily hop out and fix it, I know the race is still under construction, but on these units it did not say they wern't finsihed so I suggest going over them again , I will look through for antything else

True ... I am currently trying to find ideas for their burrows, but I just can't find a good one =S

More: I don't think the Chaos orcs would have had, or even cared about drivers lisences, when the chaos beserker mounts the seige vehicle ( forgot the name ) he seems to change to look like a demon out of diablo.

I think Drive's license is a funny name. Many testers seem to like it and I also do.
As for the models, yes, I am using a native hidden model from the game that is diablo car, I just added him a siege functionality that the Chaos Orcs were needing badly.

The ability the blademaster has to get bonus agility as a chance on hit has it's level 1 info and level 2 info the wrong way round on it's learn tool tip.

Tooltips are wrong ? I am on it!

Great report dude.
Currently I am making a 2D Shape system and a ChainMissile system for the map. When they are done I will start on remaking heroes. I will update the BladeMaster a little bit, I think his ultimate needs more "magic".

Keep on the good work, if you have any ideas, I would appreciate them =D

 

[Anachron]

Lol, and so much for 'The Chaos are balanced' ...

Anyway, keep up the good work... (hah, I only have time when I am not at home, lol)

 

[koloso]

I just dl it and it looked awesome! i think you should add some protection towers because when you buy zerglings 3 times the'll kill your oppenent ai. else looking REAL good!

 

[legorlan]

Well: here's the results of my second going over:
General: Tooltip for the Incinedary Bomber has 3 problems, first Incinedary is spelt wrong; Incendiary, second it should be A Gnomish not AN Gnomish and finally it says in HE area not THE area. Further More, in that same shop, the other two "Bomber"'s tooltips have the same AN Gnomish and HE area, these need to be corrected too.
The "Wavers" for both teams seem to have a ground texture even though the other shops which are also represented by unit models do not.
The "Cavalary" stable should in fact be spelt Cavalry Stable.
Elves: Should the Ranger's "Golem Invocation" not be Golem Evocation?
Archer Rider has a hero glow and the icon doesn't seem to fit the moddle, instead of this maybe you could use http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-134100/?prev=search=rider&r=20&d=list&page=2 to give a cavalry a melee ( set the first rider to mid range attack with glave missile ), it could use the sprint ability, and have a researchable ability for splash damage, the ability could use this Icon: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnpowerlight2-137737/?prev=search=light&d=list&r=20 ( You could choose not to import the un needed versions of it to save space ) and it could have about 15% chance of a splash which deals half damage in a 150 radius as a quick idea. I think this would work quite well, tell me if you like this idea. Use this: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/heroglow-129462/?prev=search=hero&d=list&r=20&t=7 to give the slayer a hero glow.
Chaos Orcs: The Aura I said doesn't look very chaotic was the Chaos Warrior's Chaos Arau, I think this would work alot better: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/.../?prev=search=chaos%20aura&r=20&d=list&page=3
At theMoment, the Dark Summoner's ability to copy his summons is not really worth using as it cost just as much as the absic summon but the clones are weaker, so it would be more effective for the user to summon more, although I admit it does allow you to bypass the restriction feral spirit has by only allowing 1 set of summons at a time, well, I think that either the dark clones ability should ahve the mana cost reduced to 85 or you should set the basic summons ability to Level 1 : 1 summon, Level 2 : 2 Summons, Level 3 : 3 Summons, just something to think about...

I found that the Dark Summoner seemed overly nerfed by his low health and armour, so as I sat their and thought to my self, I can summon so much... but I can't stay alive long enough to keep 'em coming, then I was struck by a thought for a great ability, the Dark Summoner's 3rd basic abilty could be to deal damage to a summoned unit to gain back health for himself... idk if you want to make it quite offensive but have higher mana and alow targeting of enemy summons, or maybe give it a low mana cost and make it IK one fo your own summons in exchange for a percentage of its health, I would sugges tit worked like this: Offensive Build: 100 Mana, Level 1: Dishes out 100 damage, heals back 75 Hp, Level 2: Dishes out 200 Damage, heals back 125 Hp, Level 3: Dishes out a whopping 300 damage, heals back 175 Hp. Defensive build: 50 Mana, Level 1: Heals back 45% of the units Hp when it was sacrificed, Level 2: Heals back 65% of the units Hp when it was sacrificed, Level 3: Heals back 85% of the units Hp when it was sacrificed, that's just my suggestion, you could probably buff up the defensive percentages by 5 or 10% at a stretch. I'd suggest this icon for the spell: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnferalspirit-130076/?prev=search=summon as I like the way it seems to be fading away, but I'm sure a better one could be found, maybe even inside the warcraft 3 original icons.
That's all for now, hope it helps.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Lol, and so much for 'The Chaos are balanced' ...

I never said the chaos orcs were balanced, everyone knows I am currently balancing them while I add new spells/units.
Besides, if you remember the last game we did ... it was a bugged version, which is now fixed (and hopefully balanced).

I just dl it and it looked awesome! i think you should add some protection towers because when you buy zerglings 3 times the'll kill your oppenent ai. else looking REAL good!

That will happen when I get new terrain made by Anachron... which may never happen...

General: Tooltip for the Incinedary Bomber has 3 problems, first Incinedary is spelt wrong; Incendiary, second it should be A Gnomish not AN Gnomish and finally it says in HE area not THE area. Further More, in that same shop, the other two "Bomber"'s tooltips have the same AN Gnomish and HE area, these need to be corrected too.

I am on it!

The "Wavers" for both teams seem to have a ground texture even though the other shops which are also represented by unit models do not.

That's because the wavers are buildings while the other shops are real unit who can move (and soon will again)... I intend to fix this once I have new terrain ... which may never happen at this rate.

The "Cavalary" stable should in fact be spelt Cavalry Stable.

I intended to remove the horse units from HE, but having in mind your next tip now I don't know =P

Elves: Should the Ranger's "Golem Invocation" not be Golem Evocation?

What is the differenfce between Invocation and Evocation? =S Maybe you should Check Electron Hero (in tavern) too =S

Archer Rider has a hero glow and the icon doesn't seem to fit the moddle, instead of this maybe you could use Bloodelf Cavalry - Blade Rider to give a cavalry a melee ( set the first rider to mid range attack with glave missile ), it could use the sprint ability, and have a researchable ability for splash damage, the ability could use this Icon: BTNPowerLight2 ( You could choose not to import the un needed versions of it to save space ) and it could have about 15% chance of a splash which deals half damage in a 150 radius as a quick idea. I think this would work quite well, tell me if you like this idea. Use this: HeroGlow to give the slayer a hero glow.

The model suggestion is pretty awesome. As for the abilities I will do something else. Remember Chaos Orc Fel Rider Devil's Speed ability? I intend to do something similar.
As for the archer, it is one of the problematic models. It is so crappy it doesn't even has a propper death animation, which can crash the game =S
Thx for the hero glows btw =D
Keep on the good work, your name may soon be on the loading screen !

Chaos Orcs: The Aura I said doesn't look very chaotic was the Chaos Warrior's Chaos Arau, I think this would work alot better: TimeAura

Can you tell me the name of the spell?

At theMoment, the Dark Summoner's ability to copy his summons is not really worth using as it cost just as much as the absic summon but the clones are weaker, so it would be more effective for the user to summon more, although I admit it does allow you to bypass the restriction feral spirit has by only allowing 1 set of summons at a time, well, I think that either the dark clones ability should ahve the mana cost reduced to 85 or you should set the basic summons ability to Level 1 : 1 summon, Level 2 : 2 Summons, Level 3 : 3 Summons, just something to think about...

Mmmm, this ability was created to protect the race from a great fail - summon defesense. You my not see good use for it, but think about the combo it will do if used on skelies or enemy summons (yes, it works on enemy summons!).
Right now, I need a passive ability for the summoner hero but I lack ideas.
I may decrease his mana cost, specially because this ability is useless if the enemy has no summons or if you have no summons (which is rare most of the time).

I found that the Dark Summoner seemed overly nerfed by his low health and armour, so as I sat their and thought to my self, I can summon so much... but I can't stay alive long enough to keep 'em coming, then I was struck by a thought for a great ability, the Dark Summoner's 3rd basic abilty could be to deal damage to a summoned unit to gain back health for himself... idk if you want to make it quite offensive but have higher mana and alow targeting of enemy summons, or maybe give it a low mana cost and make it IK one fo your own summons in exchange for a percentage of its health, I would sugges tit worked like this: Offensive Build: 100 Mana, Level 1: Dishes out 100 damage, heals back 75 Hp, Level 2: Dishes out 200 Damage, heals back 125 Hp, Level 3: Dishes out a whopping 300 damage, heals back 175 Hp. Defensive build: 50 Mana, Level 1: Heals back 45% of the units Hp when it was sacrificed, Level 2: Heals back 65% of the units Hp when it was sacrificed, Level 3: Heals back 85% of the units Hp when it was sacrificed, that's just my suggestion, you could probably buff up the defensive percentages by 5 or 10% at a stretch. I'd suggest this icon for the spell: BTNFeralSpirit as I like the way it seems to be fading away, but I'm sure a better one could be found, maybe even inside the warcraft 3 original icons.
That's all for now, hope it helps.

Mmm, if used on enemy summons, Dark Clones ability also damages them (and creates a replica of the summons). As for the ability suggestion, it looks a weaker version of the Undead Dark Knight Death Pact ability. I am looking for something more original, different, and specially, passive (which is why it is so damn hard ...)
Yet I am almost sure I can make something out of your ideas. Thx for them.

New ideas for Chaos Orcs:
- burrows: they are an overpowered copy of orc burrows right? Well, for those who read the trechtree, you now the Orcs will have a base aura which will empower them. So I had this idea, Burrows could connect themselves making a link. This link goes back to the nearest town CO hall and provides nearby units with the buildings aura. The idea seems quite good to me =P


Thx for all the suggestions !

I intend to release CCFE 2.0d a lot later, but now with this suggestions and with a new system I will add (Injury system by Moyack) I think I will do it in the next few weeks.

Keep the ideas coming guys, thx all for the reports !

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

There are no words to describe the pain I feel now by knowing that patch 1.24 broke this project and made it impossible to play. I am afraid this project, as we know it, is now dead.
Even with the fixes and the updates, I couldn't make it work.
I am sad, now I have no choice but to start over. Perhaps I will do something different, who knows ...

Sorry all ... f*** Blizzard for the monumental f*** up...

 

[DoOs_101]

There are no words to describe the pain I feel now by knowing that patch 1.24 broke this project and made it impossible to play. I am afraid this project, as we know it, is now dead.
Even with the fixes and the updates, I couldn't make it work.
I am sad, now I have no choice but to start over. Perhaps I will do something different, who knows ...

Sorry all ... f*** Blizzard for the monumental f*** up...

It appears that Castle Fight or any other advance maps have no problems at all upgrading their maps to be compatible with 1.24. This map is obviously badly coded.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

It appears that Castle Fight or any other advance maps have no problems at all upgrading their maps to be compatible with 1.24. This map is obviously badly coded.

Your ignorance surprises me. First of all you never saw the code of the map. Second you don't even know why it doesn't work. Third, the map has high quality code, most of it's spells and systems are approved at high rated websites such as wc3c and the reason why this map doesn't work is a because patch 1.24 introduced a shadowing bug with the parser. This bug can not be avoided and was not expected.

The map is well coded and it is, no doubt, one of the best coded maps I have ever seen. Sure it has some problems inherited from old versions, but those are almost gone, thus they are irrelevant. Simple maps which use only GUI or simple JASS (like castle fight if I am not mistaken, because of AI) for example, cannot experience this advanced parser bug as far as I know.

 

[trobnor]

real fun map but a littal to easy and the king of the enemy bugs i think or dus he have a teliport skill?

 

[Kanadaj]

Can't start the map Oo I'm playing on 1.26a

 

[Spank_my_kodo]

Are you ever going to update this map? It can no longer be hosted on Battle.net ever since their recent patch. It sucks because I really wanted to play this but its unhostable

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

I am sorry but this project is not going to be updated. I think I mention this fact somewhere in the description post or in the readme file. Blizzard patches simply broke too much stuff for it to be fixable.
Thanks for caring though.