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Can there be peace without war?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Malufa, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. lorothrigs

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    Yes it does, but still. It's still part of society and MySpaceBarBroke seems to think I'm being racist by saying that. That, is why you're ignorant. (Directed at MSBB)
     
  2. Darth Trhite

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    Peace w/o war? IMPOSSIBLE!!! WAR SOLVES ALL!! AAHAHAHAHAHAH :grin:

    Ok really, war ended nazism, fascism, and the roots of communism.

    War brought us AK-47s, rocket launchers, and nukes. Proof that war is really awesome!
     
  3. GST_Nemisis

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    lol ak-47's are great, 1 bullet HS at long A every time :)
     
  4. brad.dude03

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    The roots of communism exist within me. I guess your little army's going to have to come up here and kill me then.
     
  5. Dalaran_Guard

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    Ya, hate to burst your bubble, but there are still Nazi groups in Brazil, fascist groups throughout the world, and communists in Cuba and other places.

    Everyone seems to think that communism is such a terrible idea. But really, it is opposed only because is contrary to the democratic/capitalist principles that we have been force-fed throuhgout our lives. The two systems are on opposite ends of the socail spectrum, one centering around the livelihood of the individual and the other focusing on the welness of an entire population, but neither of them is the 'better system.' They simply have different goals...
     
  6. brad.dude03

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    Exactly. As I tell everyone who will listen, I support Communism in theory. I mean the principle is good right? Create a perfect society where everyone is equal. The execution however, is the problem...

    I am a socialist though, and I still hate capitalism, even if I don't entirely support communism.

    Plus, China the worlds next superpower is a communist country, so it looks like we might have the cold war all over again. Democratic (hardly) United States Vs. Communist Country #2.
     
  7. Dalaran_Guard

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    China, the world's current superpower (in my opinion). America has subsisted upon the glory of its former self; the greatness that was once had is now gone, replaced by the selfishness and gluttony of the modern world. The measure of a nation's power is measured not by its ability to attain, but to retain greatness...
     
  8. GST_Nemisis

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    i dont think its a superpower yet, when the US stock market dropped it wasnt really effected because its economic power is not large enough to have a break down when the US does. for sheer people power it wins tho.
     
  9. Dalaran_Guard

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    And innovation. And business. And math. And science. And Architecture. And industry. And some technology. And fitness/health. And exporting. Just to name a few...
     
  10. GST_Nemisis

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    yeh but its all about economics, and often army size.
     
  11. lorothrigs

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    China's economy is growing way too fast for it to support it's own weight. It's going to self-implode in the next 10-20 years.
     
  12. Teh_Ephy

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    not to mention hardcore secular-progressives are ruining urban america, which will ruin america as a whole in the 10-15 years it takes their kids to get into the workforce. in some schools: "imaginary" jump rope in gym, banning the game of tag, BANNING CUPCAKES ON BIRTHDAYS! okay so here's a rant about that and more: your kids "aren't as coordinated as some of the others" because THEY'RE STILL KIDS, and if they need to jump rope that badly they can ask you for help; competition is the essence of a little something known as real life in america, if they aren't allowed to deal with it now, they won't be able to deal with it when they need to; if your kids are fat, it's because of what YOU feed them DAILY, 20 cupcakes spread out over the entire school year every school year won't make them fat; it's okay to hit your kid if s/he's being a brat, that's "conditioning" them to not be brats; you need to let your kids get hurt so that when they're teenagers they'll be up there on the injuries spectrum;

    so anways, on world powers: what defines a "world super power" is its influence; be it through military or economic means, other countries will listen to them. individuals are of no concern to them, unless those individuals happen to be particularly good at rallying for causes that are of consequence to them.
     
  13. Dalaran_Guard

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    And America's ecomony is growing so slowly that it won't retain soverignty long enough to be able to implode. I see a stock market crash coming within the next 20 years that America won't overcome, and though I am sorry to say it, Americans simply don't have the dedication or the drive to be able to rescue themselves from such a depression. Enough of the world hates America that it probably won't last long...
     
  14. MySpaceBarBroke

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    yeah, i'm flaming. you keep believing that, buddy. i haven't started name calling and i won't any time soon. if you want to ignore me because you don't like people accusing you of making mistakes sometimes, that's fine by me. i just don't see how i am being ignorant when i was only replying to a stereotypical comment that made barely any relevance to the topic of the thread itself. but that's your point of view, and some points of view can never change when all a person does is name call. i can only suggest that you open your mind up, bro.
    i really don't like how you dragged this topic out from a comment about china, but when you say all that about the US, i have to butt in. it's not entirely true that everyone hates america. the laymen hate america, but in fact, it is the politics that love america, seeing as it has the habit of butting in to every conflict on the map these days. the US is everything but neutral and is always willing to start fights so the other countries don't have to tarnish their image. not only that, but the diverse culture already subsiding in the US came from poverty itself. should they come across it again, they'll survive.
    jeeze, i feel like i'm part of Penn and Teller's "Bullshit" show. i don't think you're racist. i've never accused you of such, and i won't still. you're exploiting stereotypes, but if that's racism, everyone's racist. i'm only believing you aren't presenting the whole picture. the people that take the most offense to racism these days regardless of race is the liberal white male. there was a christmas card that showed a bunch of asian stereotypes on it that some asians found humorous, while some white people were utterly disgusted by it. what i'm getting at is that your previous comment was too rash and i'm going to politely ask everyone to stop acting as if everything i'm saying is composed of profanity.
     
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  15. Dalaran_Guard

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    @Spacey: Okay, so first of all, the edit button is very useful. Please refrain from double (or triple, in this case) posting lest the wrath of Wolverabid, Supergood, and others come down upon you.

    Next: Concerning the previous comments directed at me. I respect your patriotism, but I am a supporter of the original American ideal. Every day in school, when I recite the pledge of allegiance, I state "...and to the Republic, for which it stood..." I simply don't have much faith in the modern American ideal, and I have no qualms with making that known to others. I am an American that sees the potential of our nation and laments the fact that our nation is not meeting its potential...

    And finally:
    Don't you love how you can make the most mundane comment ever and people still find some way to take insult? Thus, my signature came into existence...
     
  16. MySpaceBarBroke

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    sorry, it seems awkward when i post multiple quotes directed at different users in a single post.
    no arguments there. so many people hate america because of its lack of ability to keep to itself these days, giving a view of imperialism to other countries, but i have doubts about it dragging itself into another depression. also, i don't say stood, but i would never say "under god"
    people call me ignorant, racist, and just plain stupid over my view that saying white man is being persecuted these days is a little overexaggerating. :sad:
     
  17. Dalaran_Guard

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    And why ever not? Was not this nation founded upon such principles of religion? Wouldn't the act of going against those principles be a mockery of the efforts of those dedicated men who first declared their independence from the tyrannical Britain?
     
  18. MySpaceBarBroke

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    to compare a single group's religion to our country's freedom is ridiculous. if anything, it's the exact opposite of freedom. most of us came to america for freedom of religion. "under god" wasn't even in the pledge in the first place. eisenhower just wanted to flex his religious muscles. if you think "under god" is pretty mild for an offensive statement, mostly because you aren't exactly required by law to say it, consider this: What if instead of "under god" it focused on a different point of view, like "white power" instead? you still don't have to say it if you don't want to, and it still represents one of america's pasttimes,but millions of children are reciting it every day. would you still think it should stay? it's the exact same thing for "under god" it's the same principle that one point of view over another, only most of america favors this point of view. i thought one of america's basic principles was to acknowledge not only the majority, but everyone else.
     
  19. Dalaran_Guard

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    Well, the principle exists in concept, but America has always really been a predominantly WASP nation (White Angle-Saxon Protestant). If you recall, Catholics were persecuted heavily in the colonies and throughout early statehood. Japanese Americans (and some Chinese Americans) who had done no wrong were interned during WWII, a clear violation of rights. Oh, and there's that wonderful blemish on the face of American history called slavery. Ring a bell? Now, taking these into account, can you really say America is a place that seeks to acknowledge everyone and provide them the same rights?
     
  20. Darth Trhite

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    Every nation had a violent past somewhere. Would you rather rule a delaware-sized nation or a china-sized nation?

    I know there still is communism, nazism, and fascism, but its not as big as it was.

    Tyranny and totalitarianism itself seems to be against religion itself. I am not sure if ANY religion itself advocates zealotry anyway. There are sections in the bible that promote the death penalty for example. Many holy scriptures promote equality.

    Peace, conceptually, is a good idea, but in order to promote, and enforce the greater good, we MUST not show weakness. Many nations would not exist if it werent for military power.
    The MAJORITY is white prostestant. All those violations of human rights were indeed blemishes on the beautiful american face, slavery was removed through the therapuedic cream of an amendment of the constitution. The civil rights act was also passed as an american law. What do you think now?
    94% of america is involved in some sort of monotheistic religion, while 4% are self-proclaimed atheists. THey think theyre offended, but what do they really think? do they care too much in realioty or are their feelings of the vast minioity of the vast minority to be presented above the vast majority?!
     
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