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Can there be peace without war?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Malufa, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. dofys

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    Um...controlled by a single thing? Weird. Too bad about God; religion is garbage created by insane people. I'll believe in God if I ever see a miracle right infront of my eyes.

    On-topic: In my opinion, world peace can only be attain if nations cooperate and help each other's problems. War upon those who threaten humanity itself. (At least it solves over-population issues, if there are any.) That is what world peace is to me. Example: Whoever has nuclear weapons and crazy intentions of conquering.
     
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  2. Kenoriga

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    Peace is the opposite of war?

    I don't think so? :/
     
  3. cal823

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    maybe the reason god is so powerful is because he has achieved total and complete peace within himself.
    also, over population, and the fact that we are wrecking the land, will result in massive wars eventually, because nations will try to take the remaining farmable land, imagine if there was an ice age, and only 20% of the worlds landmass was left fertile and unfrozen?
     
  4. Kenoriga

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    I guess thats why there would still be no peace? There would be competitions over the land. As long as there is still environmental problems, even without war, I doubt there would be peace.
     
  5. Teh_Ephy

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    please don't say such provocative things that aren't topic-related. here's a link to the thread that became about whether God was created by lunatics or whatever, could exist or not, etc. i'm not even going to tell you that you're wrong, right, whatever. just read all of it and never speak of God in a positive, negative, or neutral manner on this forum again. not unless you feel like starting a new thread up.

    imo there will always be war because humans are competitive by nature. men are competitive in different ways then women, but both are equally competitive. hah! suck that! it's a politically correct opinion!
     
  6. dofys

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    And you are a moderator or an admin? I can voice my opinion on religion any way I want to. Besides, I didn't make that comment as an insult or anything bad. I apologize if it makes you or anyone else angry in any sort of way. Topic-related? Um...what about you?

    On-topic: Some leaders aren't competitive, well to me. Democrats on the U.S., for an example, want to focus on improving the U.S. economy and agriculture. Rather than focus on the war over oil at the Middle East like Bush is. Not saying as a stereotype.
     
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  7. brad.dude03

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    I'm a moderator, and i'm telling you to stop.

    This thread is absolutely not about religion. It's about about the philosophical question of obtaining peace without war. Religion has no place here, and it was right of teh_ephy (and very kind) to direct you to the appropriate thread for discussing such things.

    As teh_ephy said, making such strong claims about a topic unrelated to that which the thread was originally created for would only lead the discussion further away from anything productive, thus we want to avoid this.
     
  8. lorothrigs

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    In today's society, if you're going to offend anyone, offend the white male. Anyone else can pull the political correct card on your ass.
     
  9. Teh_Ephy

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    okay then, but like brad said, voice it somewhere else. like maybe start a new thread, because the old one is closed. i guess all i can do to get you to not talk is yell at you for talking, whether anybody is backing me up or not.

    i'm sick of even thinking about whether God could or couldn't exist after that thread got closed down. i need a long time of nobody talking in a subjective manner about God. i don't want to here anything about God other than things like "omfg" or "i swear to God" or "God could exist but, also could not. i can see why people believe in him, but i don't"

    read the thread, there are plenty of examples for why religion WASN'T created by power hungry madmen or mentally deficient idiots, or people with any sort of mental condition other than "normal". i'll edit my previous post to say "just read all of it and please never speak of God in..."if you edit yours to not be completely disrespectful to religious persons. you might not have intended it to be insulting, provocative, whatever, but it sure as hell reads way.

    btw the reason the religion thread was closed down is because we started talking not about other people's views of religion, but about how the thread was becoming populated with close-minded idiots. ie: we were going OFF TOPIC. please try to avoid that in threads that turn into debates.
    P.S. @ brad.dude03: ty

    i did have something topic related in that, you even replied to it as "On-topic".

    in fact, many leaders aren't competitive, but i said humans. humans do not have to listen to their leaders, and competition will NEVER be erased because there is no such thing as inexhaustible resources, and never will be. it's possible for humans to exist without MUCH war, but it will always be there lurking out of our knowledge, or just below the surface of friendly rivalry.

    sadly enough, that's true (at least with the discrimination card. make sure the person isn't gay). like last year some black freshman called me and my white friends niggers. i mention that they're white because i'm not, but demographically most of the people here are white. on with the story, NOBODY cared. you can bet your ass there would have been a huge fight if one of my friends had said something back like "nigger what?"
     
  10. MySpaceBarBroke

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    I don't even know where you got a topic like that from, but I'll tell you this. No group of people has committed more crimes against humanity than the white male. You're probably white too, seeing as no self aware person of another race will say such a thing. Here's what happens when you make fun of a white person, even if a little. They become fully convinced this world is persecuting white people nowadays (EASILY comparable to nazi concentration camps and southern plantations, of course) and everyone of another race is now looked down upon by white boy and co.
     
  11. GST_Nemisis

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    i can think of hitler and thats about it, perhaps bush. if you consider through out history the atrosities that have happened i have no idea what race has to do with anything, hitler didnt kill 6 million jews because he was white. just as the Hutu Rwandan tribe didnt massacar 1 million Tutsi's with macheties because they were black. race has nothing to do with it so STFU because thats increadably shallow minded and offensive.

    no what lorothrigs said is true, it doesnt matter if he is white or not i know thats a fact, and not only that but my 2 best mates, one who is chinese and one who is black both agree as we have had this discussion.

    i dont see how in the slightest that compares to the nazis, i dont think WW2 had anything to do with jews insulting whites, especially seeing as jews in western europe would be white. i think it was to do with hitler's evil obsession with jews and a want for world domination or something, it had absolutely nothing to do with skin colour as back then almost everyone in europe was white (probably 95% white). same for the whole slave trade, it was true that back then white people thought blacks were inferiour mainly due to whites having greater technology which to them proved they were superiour. this technology and arrogance made them exploit the black people as slaves.

    since people realised that there is a 0.03% (or something) DNA difference between everyone no matter what their skin colour is, people have accepted we are all the same. i am growing up in a generation of people who accept other races, i dont know any racist people and i would bet only 1 in 20 people below the age of 40 have any racist views here. i think everyone should have equal oppurtunities and over here i think they pretty much get that, i dont think any race is looked down apon. the only think i can think of like that is Muslims being put in a negative light but i can actually understand this, and while i have nothing against Muslims (i have some Muslim friends), i do think all extreemist, no matter who or what they are, are complete assholes.

    and tbh i think you are shallow minded and obviously live in a country where people all hate each other for nothing, oooh how i envy you.
     
  12. brad.dude03

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    Well said!

    Just a note on Hitler and the persecution of the Jews: He didn't have an evil obsession with the Jews. Really, the only reason he targeted them wwere beause they were the largest minority. So, when things went wrong with his perfect government and his perfect society, who could he pass the blame on to? The minorities. The Jews, the Homosexuals, the Crippled, the Disabled, every minority was blamed and persecuted, simply because Hitler had found an easy target to put all the blame on.

    The interesting thing would be to see what happened if Hitler completely eliminated every minority group in all of Europe. What if he ran out of people to blame? What would happen then?
     
  13. Teh_Ephy

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    ugh, i hate to mention this but... crusades. and race doesn't have anything to do with that, it's just that most of the huge jackasses that get chapters in history books are white. it probably has to do with eurocentric history classes in many nations.

    yeah, my friends talk about how i could pull racism cards on people and they can't.

    not as much as people would hope in the US, but yeah it's getting better.

    it's a fact of life that the jackasses of society get all the attention. like a slightly higher % of teenagers get into fatal car crashes than adults, and all of a sudden where i live there are harsh restrictions on newly licensed drivers. most teen drivers are responsible, but the few that do outrageously stupid things drag the entire teenage population down.

    it just so happens that the group with the most extremists happens to be muslims. ironically, true islam acknowledges the new and old testaments as holy scripture, and the qu'ran (or however you spell it, that may or may not be one of the ways) refers to christians and jews as "people of the book". islam also crosses LOTS of racial boundaries.

    he would have moved on to professions that are looked down upon as unnecessary and low. he would have eventually moved on to moderately respected, relatively unnecessary, and moderately influential jobs such as lawyers, and then his regime probably would have collapsed if it hadn't reached "perfection".
     
  14. GST_Nemisis

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    one think about this that i have never understood is what do these extreemists actually want? i get the part where if someone kills a non-muslim they are allowed into heaven and are protected by allah, thats jihad right? but isnt that really selfish? i mean killing other innocent people for your own personal gain. do these extreemists want the whole world to be muslim? i mean thats not gunna happen, what is the goal of these people?
     
  15. Teh_Ephy

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    i believe it's if they kill an ENEMY, not necessarily a non-muslim, but i'm not even 90% sure about that. i believe that what most of the muslim extremists want is their view of decency enforced worldwide, or at least in the western world. such a goal is very hard however, as worldwide includes japan. nothing against japan, it's just that the way their culture is, some things that would shame westerners don't get to them, and vice versa.
     
  16. MySpaceBarBroke

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    Please talk in a civilized manner. I was only pointing out that the majority of the well known genocides had caucasians behind it.
    You would have a discussion with your friends like that because that is a pretty simplified view of present day racism.
    Er...that was sarcasm...
    No matter what you think, subconsciously or directly, you will always judge all people who look or act different as inferior. It's only a matter of how slight that judgement is.
    I'm not going to insult you because it is not anyone's position to do so, but I'd just like to point out that assuming someone's nationality and insulting him for it is quite a "shallow minded" thing to do. Yes, my comment had some stereotypes, but it was in response to a stereotypical post that barely related to the topic of the thread.
     
  17. lorothrigs

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    Yes I am white. You however, are ignorant as HELL. I was no where even close to saying that whites are perfect and we shouldn't be persecuted or anything. I was saying how anyone can pull the race card on you unless you're making fun of white people or you're the same race as the race you're making fun of. It's today's society and it's fucking bullshit. People need to learn that you can't make everyone happy. Besides the fact, people need to learn that the American justice system is Not to settle petty things like spilling coffee on your dumb ass and suing a corporation for millions. It's for serious things like murder or theft. People are abusing the justice system and quite honestly, it needs to be fixed. That's just my little rant.
     
  18. MySpaceBarBroke

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    there's plenty of places that show that white people are being persecuted. It's called Bill O'Reilly and the rest of FOX Conservatopia. Nice Stella reference, though. No need to call me ignorant. You started with the generalizations.
     
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    you are ignorant, i dont think ive ever heard anyone be so stupid about a racial issue. and you can say whatever you want back but i have an opinion of you and it aint gunna change anytime soon. flame all you want now, im not even gunna reply.
     
  20. Teh_Ephy

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    it's not so much that caucasians are being persecuted as much as caucasians' ancestry of persecution against "inferior" races (please note that inferior is in quotes) is coming back to bite them in the ass. what goes around comes around, eh?