Battle of Ashenvale v.0.6

[Moderator]

17:09, 29th Aug 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Rejected

 

[MrStormyZ]

can you explain this

Battle of Ashenvale v.0.1 Beta Phase
Created by Rafael Fernandes Coelho ; Uploaded by: WarCoelho

also if you are the one who made this map add BB Codes to improve the Description.

 

[WarCoelho]

Hello friend.
Well I have noticed that the name is wrong.Im changing this right now.

"Created by Rafael Fernandes Coelho ; Uploaded by: WarCoelho"

Hell thats strange. Rafael Fernandes Coelho is my name...

And thanks for the BB Codes Hint

WarCoelho

EDIT : Hided the Description, wrote the map name right this time and corrected the Autor Name.

EDIT2 : Just corrected the Map Description.

EDIT3 : Maybe you guys also noticed that this is marked as War3 Roc Map, but you will need TFT to play. I dunno why its been showed as a RoC Map

 

[MrStormyZ]

Hello friend.
Well I have just posted that name is wrong.Im changing this right now.

"Created by Rafael Fernandes Coelho ; Uploaded by: WarCoelho"

Hell thats strange. Rafael Fernandes Coelho is my name...

And thanks for the BB Codes Hint

WarCoelho

Good.. and no problem,

EDIT : Hided the Description, wrote the map name right this time and corrected the Autor Name.

EDIT2 : Just corrected the Map Description.

EDIT3 : Maybe you guys also noticed that this is marked as War3 Roc Map, but you will need TFT to play. I dunno why its been showed as a RoC Map

The description needs more BB Codes just one hidden or a few Bolds won't do

btw also put in a few screenshots.

 

[WarCoelho]

Good.. and no problem,

The description needs more BB Codes just one hidden or a few Bolds won't do

btw also put in a few screenshots.

More BB Codes :? no poblem

About the screenshots, what type of Scrennshot you suggest :? ( Battle, Map ? )

Thanks again, WarCoelho

EDIT : Done. Only need some nice scrennshots now.

 

[CavaleroLunar]

I have just downloaded your map. I must say it made fun to play it. It would better if you had more custom heroes...

Anyway its a good map, should be approved

 

[WarCoelho]

Thank you CavaleroLunar
Like in I wrote in the description, more heroes will come in the next versions^^

WarCoelho

 

[Aesthetics]

Not to be mean or anything, but I think you should get someone to refine your map's description (numerous grammatical errors) before I check your triggers and play-test.

I wish you the best for your map.

 

[WarCoelho]

Not to be mean or anything, but I think you should get someone to refine your map's description (numerous grammatical errors) before I check your triggers and play-test.

I wish you the best for your map.

Hello,
do you mean the description here in Hive or in game? ( Spells, Hero name, etc)

 

[Aesthetics]

Hello,
do you mean the description here in Hive or in game? ( Spells, Hero name, etc)

I meant here on the Hive; I did not check in-game yet.

 

[WarCoelho]

I meant here on the Hive; I did not check in-game yet.

Okay, im checking it...Could take some time to correct it.

And thanks for telling me that the description is full whit gramatic errors

WarCoelho

EDIT : Well, i hope its better now.

EDIT2 : Im working on a little update right now.Im going to update it in some time.
Its ready. Have fun with Version 0.2!

EDIT3 : Screenshots are now avaliable.

 

[Orcnet]

this is a nice map, but how come both factions share the same "Demolisher" unit? because that catapult is really defined for Horde use instead of the Alliance, maybe try replacing it with the steam tank or the glaive thrower unit.

even without the use of importing some customs you just made your map really nice! I hope their is more modifications your going to make, keep it up! 10/10!

 

[WarCoelho]

this is a nice map, but how come both factions share the same "Demolisher" unit? because that catapult is really defined for Horde use instead of the Alliance, maybe try replacing it with the steam tank or the glaive thrower unit.

even without the use of importing some customs you just made your map really nice! I hope their is more modifications your going to make, keep it up! 10/10!

Hello
Well, actually the alliance should actually have the old horde catapult ( from RoC ). But somehow its turn into a demolisher cO. Steam Tank?? hmmmm yes that is very good idea , the alliance is in need of more dwarfs xD
Customs models will come very soon ( next version maybe
Anyway i thank you for playing my map DD

By the way does somebody know the name of the Night Elf King?
Thanks ;D

 

[Orcnet]

By the way does somebody know the name of the Night Elf King?
Thanks ;D

There is a way to return back the Catapult model from Reign of Chaos Patch, here's how it goes:
go to your units section from the World Editor and look for the Demolisher unit, inside of it you can see "Art - Model File - Extra Version" like this one for example:

Go tick it. and then you will see 2 classifications for the unit/model, just go tick the ROC version and there you can return the old models from the Frozen Throne Expansion, here is an example:

I hope this helps, by the way, about an Night Elf King? hmm, not sure if there is one, I only know 1 Leader named "Furion Stormrage", he's not a king but a elder druid for their race.

EDIT: my anti-virus pop out. god dammit!

 

[WarCoelho]

Ooook, You are going to see a catapult at the side of the alliance in the next update ^^
And thanks for helping me

Yes I know that Furion is a leader of the Night Elfs, but I want to know the name of the boss . Im thinking about taking Thrall and Furion out of the Map and putting Garrosh and the Night Elf Leader in their place ( or maybe the actual leader of the warsong clan and the leader of the silvermoons )

EDIT : oh, im sorry orcnet but i forgot to change the catapult model :/

 

[mouseman89]

i dont think there is really an official leader of the NE though tyrande and furion are the ones that would be imo

EDIT: you might want to add credits in the description on the hive, also the paths are too straight, in real life the path would be much more winding.

 

[Orcnet]

Yes I know that Furion is a leader of the Night Elfs, but I want to know the name of the boss . Im thinking about taking Thrall and Furion out of the Map and putting Garrosh and the Night Elf Leader in their place ( or maybe the actual leader of the warsong clan and the leader of the silvermoons )

I'm not sure if I'm breaking the balance between the time lines of Warcraft, but I think its better to use the aggressive leaders of both factions such as Admiral Daelin Proudmoore and Grom Hellscream, even though their already dead. but If you want the present-time leaders, I guess Garrosh Hellscream and King Varian Wrynn can fit the position?

EDIT : oh, im sorry orcnet but i forgot to change the catapult model :/

Nah! Its okay! just go and go until you find your tone dude

 

[WarCoelho]

i dont think there is really an official leader of the NE though tyrande and furion are the ones that would be imo

EDIT: you might want to add credits in the description on the hive, also the paths are too straight, in real life the path would be much more winding.

Ok, im gonna add credits in the description here on the hive. Well i think the paths are large engouht. Im planning to make some curves...

I'm not sure if I'm breaking the balance between the time lines of Warcraft, but I think its better to use the aggressive leaders of both factions such as Admiral Daelin Proudmoore and Grom Hellscream, even though their already dead. but If you want the present-time leaders, I guess Garrosh Hellscream and King Varian Wrynn can fit the position?

Nah! Its okay! just go and go until you find your tone dude

Hmmm, i like you may have noticed the Alliance base is a NE base , so its would look kind of strange if i put king varian as a boss there ;D

And thank you both for testing my map and giving me advices

 

[Orcnet]

LOL! I forgot the NE race
maybe furion can be the good fit for the game, sure no prob, just keep it up the good work!

 

[WarCoelho]

LOL! I forgot the NE race
maybe furion can be the good fit for the game, sure no prob, just keep it up the good work!

yeah i think furion is going to stay ^^

In the moment im working on 3 new heroes

Have a nice day guys,
WarCoelho


EDIT:

Here the first hero and some spells:

Paragon (its a worgen with 2 swords, model made by General_Frank)

Ready Spells

1st :

Haste
LvL 1 : 200% Speed bonus for 10-12 sec
LvL 2 : 260% "
LvL 3 : 320% "
LvL 4 : 380% "

2nd :

Magical Net
The paragon creates a magical net that damage and captures the enemy for some time.




I´m in need of ideas for spells and hero classes! Any help is welcomed !

 

[Orcnet]

yeah i think furion is going to stay ^^

In the moment im working on 3 new heroes

Have a nice day guys,
WarCoelho

EDIT:

Here the first hero and some spells:

Paragon (its a worgen with 2 swords, model made by General_Frank)

Ready Spells

1st :

Haste
LvL 1 : 200% Speed bonus for 10-12 sec
LvL 2 : 260% "
LvL 3 : 320% "
LvL 4 : 380% "

2nd :

Magical Net
The paragon creates a magical net that damage and captures the enemy for some time.


I´m in need of ideas for spells and hero classes! Any help is welcomed !

well I don't know much of triggering spells, and I'm guessing no one can hear you, if you want someone to help you with your spells go to this section: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/world-editor-help-zone-98/
there are tons of helpers and professionals alike that are willing to help people from their work, go try it dude

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Put the screenshots in a hidden tag. Dont hide your description in a hidden tag. From the screenies it looks good.

 

[WarCoelho]

well I don't know much of triggering spells, and I'm guessing no one can hear you, if you want someone to help you with your spells go to this section: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/world-editor-help-zone-98/
there are tons of helpers and professionals alike that are willing to help people from their work, go try it dude

Hmmm, okay im going to take a look, thanks again!

Put the screenshots in a hidden tag. Dont hide your description in a hidden tag. From the screenies it looks good.

Okay, the screenshots are going to be put in to the description ^^

"Dont hide your description in a hidden tag."

Well, the other guys said i should hidde the description


Thanks guys, for your help

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Btw, do you have relation with paulo coelho? And dont put all. Do it like this:
-> Gameplay
--> Description

and so on...

 

[WarCoelho]

Btw, do you have relation with paulo coelho? And dont put all. Do it like this:
-> Gameplay
--> Description

and so on...

haha

relation with paulo coelho?? nono ^^ "coelho" is just my last name

And ok, im gonna change the description.

Thanks!

 

[Fenrok]

Just tested the map and i must say very entertaining gameplay
However there were a two things that bothered me..
The catapults have longer attack range than the towers, so that when all the creeps are dead the catapult fires at the tower for like 30 seconds until the next wave comes:/
Also the armor merchant sells items that give +3 str and +3 Int but no +3 agi :O
But still very nice map

 

[WarCoelho]

Just tested the map and i must say very entertaining gameplay
However there were a two things that bothered me..
The catapults have longer attack range than the towers, so that when all the creeps are dead the catapult fires at the tower for like 30 seconds until the next wave comes:/
Also the armor merchant sells items that give +3 str and +3 Int but no +3 agi :O
But still very nice map

Hello there and thanks for testing
The catapult attack range is meaned to be so. So the catapult are more important in the battle
Okay gonna add the +3 agi item ;D

Thanks again for testing

 

[Druu]

Played 20 minutes
Took Priest
Cheats used -> Map, Gold and Daddy

Terrain
Not quite good, blizzard cliffs all around, square-ish map Poorly terrained.
I'm not here to tell you what you have to do, but I think you need to improve
the terrain a whole lot.

Units
Seemed to be varied and useful with working skills.
Towers have a lot of hit points and it's long to go to the final boss.
Creeps are in bunches, which makes it hard to farm them.

Items
RoC Items, you should make a shop area, not split it from one side to the other (even with the teleport).
You probably want to make the pricing of your items better. Gem of truesight at 200g is cheap.

Heroes
I only tried the priest and it wasn't that cool. I didn't try all the lanes, I kept the top one of the elven side and
it was as if I wasn't there really. Couldn't keep anything alive and protection weren't effective.

It needs improvement, I see that's the version 0.5 so it's far from completed.
So keep improving and make games less long by increasing movement speed of units and reducing tower health.

Druu

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Oh ok. Sometimes I tend to act stereotype.

 

[WarCoelho]

Played 20 minutes
Took Priest
Cheats used -> Map, Gold and Daddy

Terrain
Not quite good, blizzard cliffs all around, square-ish map Poorly terrained.
I'm not here to tell you what you have to do, but I think you need to improve
the terrain a whole lot.

Units
Seemed to be varied and useful with working skills.
Towers have a lot of hit points and it's long to go to the final boss.
Creeps are in bunches, which makes it hard to farm them.

Items
RoC Items, you should make a shop area, not split it from one side to the other (even with the teleport).
You probably want to make the pricing of your items better. Gem of truesight at 200g is cheap.

Heroes
I only tried the priest and it wasn't that cool. I didn't try all the lanes, I kept the top one of the elven side and
it was as if I wasn't there really. Couldn't keep anything alive and protection weren't effective.

It needs improvement, I see that's the version 0.5 so it's far from completed.
So keep improving and make games less long by increasing movement speed of units and reducing tower health.

Druu

Hello there.
First of all thanks for testing and commenting

Terrain :

I know the terrain isn´t perfect but its acceptable don´t you think so too? Of course I could improve the terrain and try to make it better with every version. And what do you mean with "Blizzard Cliffs" ?

Units :

A Tower with 8.000 hit points is not easy to take down but its not impossible! Keep your catapult alive and protect your units and take another hero with you and the tower is gone be destroyed easy.

"The creeps are in bunches." Well maybe the wolf area (60 wolfs ), but the other ones are full with spawn points so that never 10 creep would stay side by side.

Yes its hard to reach Furion/Thrall but if it would be to easy it would be boring ^^. Another question, have you played alone? The game experience is differtent if you play with more people.

Items :

Yes you are right about that
My map needs more custom items. Thanks for the advice and I m also gonna check the prices ^^

Heroes :

Its sad that you only tested the priest :/
Im gonna check his abilities. But you said that it was as weren´t you there...Maybe the priest is in need of boost in his heal abilities

Again thank you for reviewing my map
Last question, why did you used cheats to test my map o_0 ?

WarCoelho

 

[Arisaitou]

LOL, this is an awe some game, voting for

"Very Nice.blablabla"

 

[WarCoelho]

LOL, this is an awe some game, voting for

"Very Nice.blablabla"

Thank you sir

 

[Druu]

I wanted to see what would happen if I had best gear and I wanted some levels also.
And I wanted to check the map out.

Click me
read some of that to get some tricks about terraining.

 

[WarCoelho]

I wanted to see what would happen if I had best gear and I wanted some levels also.
And I wanted to check the map out.

Click me
read some of that to get some tricks about terraining.

:0

Thank you bro D Gonna check those tricks and improve my terrain! Thanks again

 

[Slayer14]

Hmm... This looks interesting... I'll check it out.

Btw, I really don't think it is such a good idea to put so much of your description in hidden tags, since it makes all of the letters really small and everyone has to go through and click all of those buttons.

 

[WarCoelho]

Hmm... This looks interesting... I'll check it out.

Btw, I really don't think it is such a good idea to put so much of your description in hidden tags, since it makes all of the letters really small and everyone has to go through and click all of those buttons.

Hmmm, do you think it would be better if I put every single "Description Category" in its own hidden tag?

 

[Slayer14]

Uh, no, not really. I was saying that you shouldn't use that many hidden tags. Just use them for screenshots, not everything. I'm actually one of those people who dislike a lot hidden tags unless you have screenshots, triggers, really long quotes, really long explaination, etc. What you have under these hidden tags isn't really much to hide.

I just recommend you don't use them for a few sentences and what an ordinary map description should have. It could be OK to hide the credits though.

 

[WarCoelho]

Good, I´m working on the description right now.. Thanks

EDIT : Better now ?

 

[Slayer14]

My review...

A Slayer Review: Battle of Ashenvale

Good Points Every lane has different unit types in it. Custom models for icons. Unusual. Bad Points The heroes take forever to revive! A very, very powerful Dragon appeared in my base mid-game and started killing everyone. Gold comes in way too slow. None of the abilities I saw had descriptions that told what they did at level 4. The Alliance can raise skeletons and the Horde have Undead Necromancers. I found that kind of odd. No camera pan when your Hero dies. Not many item drops, at all. Custom heroes that had the exact same spells as melee heroes. The "lanes" of most AoS maps have room to move around a little. This map limits you there. Not much room to move and using walls makes the terrain look kind of simple. The base guards are completely blocking some of the ramps, so it isn't even usable. Bugs Did not find any bugs. Overall Opinion Overall, I've seen better. Please improve the gameplay by fixing my Bad Points. I'd say [highlight]2/5[/code].

 

[WarCoelho]

First of all, thanks for reviewing the map Slayer14.

My Questions and what im gonna do thanks to you

1 : The Heroes take 1 minute and 30 seconds to revive.. Is that too much ?

2 : The Green Dragon is an event...and I don´t think that he can destroy the whole base in 2 minutes. ( He changes place every 2 minutes btw. )

3 : Good... What you suggest ?

4 : Oh, just checked that. Gonna improve ALL spells descriptions.

5 : Yes I find that odd too, but I haven´t found a good model that can be used as summon unit for the Summoners.

6 : Its going to be made

7 : Same as point 6

8 : Gonna add more custom spells

9 : Im working on the terrain

10 : Im sure that you meant the "royal" guards defending Furion / Thrall. You don´t really need to go to your King in the beginning and you can use the teleport to get to north / south of your base.. And if your king is attacked, the guards around him move/attack so that you can get to him and also defend him...


Thanks again and please review it again when I improve the gameplay by fixing all those "Bad Points".

WarCoelho


Edit :


Information :

Im working hard on the terraing right now. All other bad points have been removed / fixed!
Because of that HUGE changes, i´ve changed the name of the map, description, history, factions , etc. The name is now Forest of Naturz ( FoN ). In the previous versions it was called Battle of Ashenvale and the map was "based" in the eternal battle of the Horde and Alliance in the Forest of Ashenvale ( Warsong Gulch ). Now it is based on its (my) own fantasy world. So expect huge changes in the map when the next version come out! New unique heroes, items, quests, units and more

Good bye for now (;

 

[Vehster]

Official Basic Review of V3H -


Terrain 3/10 - Basic AoS
Concept & Idea 4/10 - Try to separate from the common AoS.
Triggers 0/10 - Need the uncorrupted version.
Object Data 6/10 - Could use better description and work around the spells and units.
Overall Map Data 5/10 - Could use more custom resources and better placement.
Estimated effort spent into this 7/10 - You did spend time on this =)
Playability & Improveable 5/10 - It is fun and has some good events but could be better.

Overall Mark - 30/70 - Close but not approved/didn't pass my review.

Any questions about the review, just ask and I will answer.

Suggestions -
Update more often, maybe add a video?
More events and better customized items and spells.
More object data.
Better triggers.
Clean up the map.

 

[bhusta]

Terrain:
A little bit flat. Some regions are realy empty and the lanes are little bit stuffed. The tiles need some variations.

Heroes:
I played the "Defender".
He is just the mountainking with a different icon for the hero and a different icon for the avatar ability.
Icon and model does not fit together.
--> Lame

Items:
I don't find any custom item - just one or two with slight changes.

Gameplay:
The tooltips are generaly good, but you have to change all tooltips. Because the tooltips you did not change are in a diffrent language if the user has no english version of warcraft.
Global experience is realy disturbing.
Why are there billions of units stuffed between the lanes? It looks like you had no idea to fill the rest of the map.

The file name is too long. This map is not playable for many people.
My suggestion: BoAp0.6

You have a lot of work to do.