(12) Acient Gardens 1.8

[mafe]

Did you upload the wrong version here? Because this is currently an altered melee map, and not a (regular ladder-style) melee map.

 

[ShYMs0n]

Did you upload the wrong version here? Because this is currently an altered melee map, and not a (regular ladder-style) melee map.

No, I just check it, it is normal but i didn't remove the special units from it.

 

[mafe]

Well...... in this case this currently not really a melee map by hive standards. It's more of a altered melee, even though only slightly altered.

It's up to you to decide what you prefer. If you want to make this a "real" (ladder-like) melee map, then you at least have to set the game data to "melee (latest patch)" so that the map uses the current patch and not 1.07 balance. I'd recommend to also remove most of the other stuff that isn't necessary for melee.

I also have some gameplay/balance question, in case you want this to be a melee map.

Edit to avoid doublepost: So yes, at least set it to "melee (latest patch)" and then we'll see if/how it works as a melee map. Until then, set to Awaiting Update.

 

[ShYMs0n]

Well...... in this case this currently not really a melee map by hive standards. It's more of a altered melee, even though only slightly altered.

It's up to you to decide what you prefer. If you want to make this a "real" (ladder-like) melee map, then you at least have to set the game data to "melee (latest patch)" so that the map uses the current patch and not 1.07 balance. I'd recommend to also remove most of the other stuff that isn't necessary for melee.

I also have some gameplay/balance question, in case you want this to be a melee map.

Edit to avoid doublepost: So yes, at least set it to "melee (latest patch)" and then we'll see if/how it works as a melee map. Until then, set to Awaiting Update.

Now is latest patch.

 

[mafe]

Ok, it is latest patch now, but the various changes still persist: +5 powerups, change to hero portraits (which are bugged for me now), fountain of power....

So the map is still an altered melee by hiveworkshop standards, and not a melee (as this category is intended for ladder-like maps with unmodified original melee gameplay).
Therefore I'm replacing the "melee" tag with "altered melee", so that the map will come to the attention of the proper audience.

 

[ShYMs0n]

Ok, it is latest patch now, but the various changes still persist: +5 powerups, change to hero portraits (which are bugged for me now), fountain of power....

So the map is still an altered melee by hiveworkshop standards, and not a melee (as this category is intended for ladder-like maps with unmodified original melee gameplay).
Therefore I'm replacing the "melee" tag with "altered melee", so that the map will come to the attention of the proper audience.

I removed +5, fountain of power, potraits are normal, now can it be melee?

 

[mafe]

Sorry about the delay.
Well, if you want the map to be melee, why don't you simply remove all the changes from the game data? Especially for units, spells etc. You shouldn't need it for a melee map anyway.
As far as I can tell, almost nothing of the still existing changes affect gameplay, except for (possibly) some changes to the gameplay constants which I dont quite understand.

Looking at this a regular melee map, I'm now quite happy with it, especially since it is a large map which good terrain and layout.
Right now, I can only find one issue, but it is a big one:
The itemdrops are completely overpowered. Compare the strength of creep camps and items with some ladder maps, and you will see that on this map, the creeps drop much, much stronger items than they normally would. For example a lvl 14 camp (sum of all creeps in the camp) normally drop a lvl 3 item + lvl 1 powerup. Here at the merc camps, you get a lvl 4, a lvl 3 and a lvl 2 item. Such itemdrops can turn the game into a lottery.

So overall, please consider if you do not want to get rid of all the unnecessary changes to units etc. But at least make the itemdrops appropriate for a melee map, then I will most likely approve it. Until then, map set back to Awaiting update.

 

[ShYMs0n]

Will debuff, you are right.

Sorry about the delay.
Well, if you want the map to be melee, why don't you simply remove all the changes from the game data? Especially for units, spells etc. You shouldn't need it for a melee map anyway.
As far as I can tell, almost nothing of the still existing changes affect gameplay, except for (possibly) some changes to the gameplay constants which I dont quite understand.

Looking at this a regular melee map, I'm now quite happy with it, especially since it is a large map which good terrain and layout.
Right now, I can only find one issue, but it is a big one:
The itemdrops are completely overpowered. Compare the strength of creep camps and items with some ladder maps, and you will see that on this map, the creeps drop much, much stronger items than they normally would. For example a lvl 14 camp (sum of all creeps in the camp) normally drop a lvl 3 item + lvl 1 powerup. Here at the merc camps, you get a lvl 4, a lvl 3 and a lvl 2 item. Such itemdrops can turn the game into a lottery.

So overall, please consider if you do not want to get rid of all the unnecessary changes to units etc. But at least make the itemdrops appropriate for a melee map, then I will most likely approve it. Until then, map set back to Awaiting update.

 

[ShYMs0n]

Sorry about the delay.
Well, if you want the map to be melee, why don't you simply remove all the changes from the game data? Especially for units, spells etc. You shouldn't need it for a melee map anyway.
As far as I can tell, almost nothing of the still existing changes affect gameplay, except for (possibly) some changes to the gameplay constants which I dont quite understand.

Looking at this a regular melee map, I'm now quite happy with it, especially since it is a large map which good terrain and layout.
Right now, I can only find one issue, but it is a big one:
The itemdrops are completely overpowered. Compare the strength of creep camps and items with some ladder maps, and you will see that on this map, the creeps drop much, much stronger items than they normally would. For example a lvl 14 camp (sum of all creeps in the camp) normally drop a lvl 3 item + lvl 1 powerup. Here at the merc camps, you get a lvl 4, a lvl 3 and a lvl 2 item. Such itemdrops can turn the game into a lottery.

So overall, please consider if you do not want to get rid of all the unnecessary changes to units etc. But at least make the itemdrops appropriate for a melee map, then I will most likely approve it. Until then, map set back to Awaiting update.

finnaly updated after month, what u think?

 

[mafe]

1. Many (but not all) Itemdrops are still bad. Please look at the "formula" which I just posted over here: (6)Tropicold v1.1
2. There are still countless changes to game data, which I do not know if they are used ingame are not. Again, units, items, neutral buildings should not be changed for melee maps.
3. Creeps guarding gold mines should not be "blue".
4. There are hundreds of small gaps between trees and other doodads, where units can pass through. Normally, on melee maps the area where units can or cannot walk is clearly recognizable.

I appreciate that you have made further improvements of the map. I dont have the previous versions anymore, but I think it looks even better now, and also some itemdrops are beter now.
Neverthelless, 1. and 3. must be fixed. 2. is optional if you assure me that none of the none of the changes have an effect on gameplay. 4. Also is optional. There back to "awaiting update".

Edit: Also I believe the spelling should be "ancient" and "melee"?

 

[ShYMs0n]

1. Many (but not all) Itemdrops are still bad. Please look at the "formula" which I just posted over here: (6)Tropicold v1.1
2. There are still countless changes to game data, which I do not know if they are used ingame are not. Again, units, items, neutral buildings should not be changed for melee maps.
3. Creeps guarding gold mines should not be "blue".
4. There are hundreds of small gaps between trees and other doodads, where units can pass through. Normally, on melee maps the area where units can or cannot walk is clearly recognizable.

I appreciate that you have made further improvements of the map. I dont have the previous versions anymore, but I think it looks even better now, and also some itemdrops are beter now.
Neverthelless, 1. and 3. must be fixed. 2. is optional if you assure me that none of the none of the changes have an effect on gameplay. 4. Also is optional. There back to "awaiting update".

Edit: Also I believe the spelling should be "ancient" and "melee"?

Ok thx then

 

[ShYMs0n]

1. Many (but not all) Itemdrops are still bad. Please look at the "formula" which I just posted over here: (6)Tropicold v1.1
2. There are still countless changes to game data, which I do not know if they are used ingame are not. Again, units, items, neutral buildings should not be changed for melee maps.
3. Creeps guarding gold mines should not be "blue".
4. There are hundreds of small gaps between trees and other doodads, where units can pass through. Normally, on melee maps the area where units can or cannot walk is clearly recognizable.

I appreciate that you have made further improvements of the map. I dont have the previous versions anymore, but I think it looks even better now, and also some itemdrops are beter now.
Neverthelless, 1. and 3. must be fixed. 2. is optional if you assure me that none of the none of the changes have an effect on gameplay. 4. Also is optional. There back to "awaiting update".

Edit: Also I believe the spelling should be "ancient" and "melee"?

I dew what u suggest, what u think? I made creeps drops from Blizz maps.

 

[mafe]

So....
1. The itemdrops are generally much better now. Some of the itemdroprs now can even be considered slightly too weak, but better too weak items than too strong items.
2. Only a few changes remain, ok, I accept them as they dont seem to make a difference.
3. is fixed, good.
4. whatever.

After all, map Approved.

 

[ShYMs0n]

So....
1. The itemdrops are generally much better now. Some of the itemdroprs now can even be considered slightly too weak, but better too weak items than too strong items.
2. Only a few changes remain, ok, I accept them as they dont seem to make a difference.
3. is fixed, good.
4. whatever.

After all, map Approved.

Man big ty, u helped mee a lot.