*If you encounter any issues please post them as soon as you can or any suggestions*

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• Tile variation is mostly missing in the outer regions
• Northern and east gate should be rotated by 180°, so the seal is on the outer site
• The northern gate should be surrounded by bigger doodads and trees, like the other three gates, to make it look more like a barrier
• The overall design is average

• Your triggers are leaking. Check out this thread to fix them

• The feature of leader units instead of heroes is interesting, but in its current state leaders are simply underpowered non-hero units. They are not worth the resources they cost. You should either make them significantly stronger give them advantage that makes it worthy training them

• Hall of Life cannot entangle gold mines although the building tooltip states they do.
• 'Poison Arrows' research tooltip has a hex code mistake
• It is strongly recommended to add a quest log to give some small info on the different custom races
• Wisps of Kaldorei get an error message if they target a gold mine saying it isn't entangled yet, but the custom race cannot entangle gold mines

Terrain:
•Tile variation is mostly missing in the outer regions
•Northern and east gate should be rotated by 180°, so the seal is on the outer site
• The northern gate should be surrounded by bigger doodads and trees, like the other three gates, to make it look more like a barrier
• The overall design is average

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Trigger:
•Your triggers are leaking. Check out this thread to fix them

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Gameplay:
• The feature of leader units instead of heroes is interesting, but in its current state leaders are simply underpowered non-hero units. They are not worth the resources they cost. You should either make them significantly stronger give them advantage that makes it worthy training them

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To Fix:
• Hall of Life cannot entangle gold mines although the building tooltip states they do.
• 'Poison Arrows' research tooltip has a hex code mistake
• It is strongly recommended to add a quest log to give some small info on the different custom races
• Wisps of Kaldorei get an error message if they target a gold mine saying it isn't entangled yet, but the custom race cannot entangle gold mines

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Kaldorei druid of the wild cannot return to the night elf form. To research Mark of the wild upgrade you have to research... Mark of the Wild. It's impossible to get it.

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You should add more units IMO.

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• Custom script: call DestroyGroup(udg_tempGroup1)

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true

Shadow Fury said:

Ok I tested again the map and I found out that there are some really negative points:

1- It's almost grass everywhere! Man, there are many other tiles, don't just use one for the whole map. People will really harass you a lot about this and I'm sure 101%

2- The races seem unbalanced. High Elves can teleport anywhere in the map with just one click which basically means that I can insta-ambush an enemy player and destroy his whole base while he's away. Dark Horde can gather +200 lumber with Shredders, an unacceptable amount compared to the miser +10/+20 of other races. Teron "Shadow Spawns" are simply too strong. At level 1 I could kill the Skeleton Orc Champion, a level 8 creep, alone. Just summoned twice the Shadow Spawns and killed him by tanking with my hero.

3- Item drops are all tomes, tomes and again tomes. This is wrong because you lack permanent items which is a core feature of melee/altered melee maps.

4- Too much default stuff. Many units are just too close to old units and it would be better not to do so. Heroes skill are ok but most of them resemble too much default ones. It would be better to work a little bit more on them

Concerning leaks, these are the ones I found:

AOE Entangling

• Set tempGroup1 = (Units within tempReal of tempPoint1 matching ((((Owner of (Matching unit)) is an enemy of tempPlayer) Equal to True) and (((Matching unit) is alive) Equal to True)))
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in tempGroup1 and do (Actions)
  • Loop - Actions
    • Unit - Order tempUnit to Night Elf Keeper Of The Grove - Entangling Roots (Picked unit)
• Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_tempPoint1)

You did not destroy the group. Use this:

• Custom script: call DestroyGroup(udg_tempGroup1)

Race Selection Pick Copy

• Set Temp_Integer_1 = (Player number of (Triggering player))
• If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
  • If - Conditions
    • (Clicked dialog button) Equal to Race_Dialog_Buttons[0]
  • Then - Actions
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units owned by (Triggering player)) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
              • Conditions
                • ((Picked unit) is A peon-type unit) Equal to True
          • Then - Actions
            • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Peon Custom using The old unit's relative life and mana
          • Else - Actions
            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
              • If - Conditions
                • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                  • Conditions
                    • ((Picked unit) is A town-hall-type unit) Equal to True
              • Then - Actions
                • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Command Post Dark Horde using The old unit's relative life and mana
              • Else - Actions
                • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                  • If - Conditions
                    • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                      • Conditions
                        • ((Picked unit) is Mechanical) Equal to True
                  • Then - Actions
                    • Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game
                  • Else - Actions
                    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                      • If - Conditions
                        • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                          • Conditions
                            • ((Picked unit) is Undead) Equal to True
                      • Then - Actions
                        • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Peon Custom using The old unit's relative life and mana
                        • Unit - Create 1 Peon Custom for (Triggering player) at (Position of (Picked unit)) facing (Position of (Picked unit))
                      • Else - Actions
    • -------- change race to Race A --------
  • Else - Actions
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • (Clicked dialog button) Equal to Race_Dialog_Buttons[1]
      • Then - Actions
        • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units owned by (Triggering player)) and do (Actions)
          • Loop - Actions
            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
              • If - Conditions
                • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                  • Conditions
                    • ((Picked unit) is A peon-type unit) Equal to True
              • Then - Actions
                • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Artisan using The old unit's relative life and mana
              • Else - Actions
                • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                  • If - Conditions
                    • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                      • Conditions
                        • ((Picked unit) is A town-hall-type unit) Equal to True
                  • Then - Actions
                    • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a High Elven Sanctuary using The old unit's relative life and mana
                  • Else - Actions
                    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                      • If - Conditions
                        • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                          • Conditions
                            • ((Picked unit) is Mechanical) Equal to True
                      • Then - Actions
                        • Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game
                      • Else - Actions
                        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                          • If - Conditions
                            • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                              • Conditions
                                • ((Picked unit) is Undead) Equal to True
                          • Then - Actions
                            • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Artisan using The old unit's relative life and mana
                            • Unit - Create 1 Artisan for (Triggering player) at (Position of (Picked unit)) facing (Position of (Picked unit))
                          • Else - Actions
        • -------- change race to Race B --------
      • Else - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • (Clicked dialog button) Equal to Race_Dialog_Buttons[2]
          • Then - Actions
            • Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units owned by (Triggering player)) and do (Actions)
              • Loop - Actions
                • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                  • If - Conditions
                    • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                      • Conditions
                        • ((Picked unit) is A peon-type unit) Equal to True
                  • Then - Actions
                    • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Wisp custom using The old unit's relative life and mana
                    • Unit - Create 1 Gatherer for (Triggering player) at (Position of (Picked unit)) facing (Position of (Picked unit))
                  • Else - Actions
                    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                      • If - Conditions
                        • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                          • Conditions
                            • ((Picked unit) is A town-hall-type unit) Equal to True
                      • Then - Actions
                        • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Hall of Life using The old unit's relative life and mana
                      • Else - Actions
                        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                          • If - Conditions
                            • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                              • Conditions
                                • ((Picked unit) is Mechanical) Equal to True
                          • Then - Actions
                            • Unit - Remove (Picked unit) from the game
                          • Else - Actions
                            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                              • If - Conditions
                                • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
                                  • Conditions
                                    • ((Picked unit) is Undead) Equal to True
                              • Then - Actions
                                • Unit - Replace (Picked unit) with a Wisp custom using The old unit's relative life and mana
                                • Unit - Create 1 Wisp custom for (Triggering player) at (Position of (Picked unit)) facing (Position of (Picked unit))
                                • Unit - Create 2 Gatherer for (Triggering player) at (Position of (Picked unit)) facing (Position of (Picked unit))
                              • Else - Actions
            • -------- change race to Race C --------
          • Else - Actions
• Dialog - Hide Race_Dialog for (Player(Temp_Integer_1))

This unit group (and the other two) included in the If/Then/Else function leaks. You did not use a variable for that therefore you cannot destroy it. Put this command just before picking:

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true

Cast

• Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units within 600.00 of TargetLoc matching ((((Matching unit) belongs to an ally of (Triggering player)) Equal to True) and ((((Matching unit) is A structure) Equal to False) and ((Matching unit) Not equal to Target)))) and do (Actions)
  • Loop - Actions
    • Special Effect - Create a special effect attached to the chest of (Picked unit) using Abilities\Spells\Human\HolyBolt\HolyBoltSpecialArt.mdl
    • Special Effect - Destroy (Last created special effect)
    • Unit - Set life of (Picked unit) to ((Life of (Picked unit)) + HealValue)
• Unit Group - Pick every unit in (Units within 600.00 of TargetLoc matching ((((Matching unit) belongs to an enemy of (Triggering player)) Equal to True) and ((((Matching unit) is A structure) Equal to False) and ((Matching unit) Not equal to Target)))) and do (Actions)
  • Loop - Actions
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • ((Picked unit) is Undead) Equal to True
      • Then - Actions
        • Special Effect - Create a special effect attached to the chest of (Picked unit) using Abilities\Spells\Human\HolyBolt\HolyBoltSpecialArt.mdl
        • Special Effect - Destroy (Last created special effect)
        • Unit - Set life of (Picked unit) to ((Life of (Picked unit)) - HealValue)
      • Else - Actions
• Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_TargetLoc)

The second unit group was not destroyed like that; only the first one was. You have to copy the *Custom script: set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true* above the second unit group so as to destroy that one too.

Finally, I'll have to re-set the map for the 100^th to needs fix :/
Since you requested a rating, it's a 2/5. I can only tell ya "Good luck buddy!"

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sarumanthecursed said:

Will be updating with a much finer version soon.

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StoPCampinGn00b said:

And here comes the 3rd map moderator and 4th reviewer to post! Guys, I don't think I should take this one. Shadow Fury, Orcnet, Ardenian, consult.

Anyway, would you want the map to be in needs fix before you update the finer version so people don't play this one which will soon be outdated?

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sarumanthecursed said:

Finally !!!! A worthy map update has arrived !!!

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Shadow Fury said:

Woh the game changed radically! The map is completely different and there's only one custom race, the Treekin. I must admit, you had some of the most deranged, insane and demented ideas ever.
Gonna talk about the heroes. By chance, I decided to try the "Keeper of the Forests". The first skill I learnt was "Growth" and, man, how come his strength increases by one every minute? That's extremely unbalanced because in late game he'll have over 3000 HP (assuming I even upgrade that skill). At level 3, my hero had already like 1300 HP, a number that is only attained at level 10 by other strength heroes. He's like a mountain giant in early game! The other heroes were fine at least. Please do replace that skill with something else and consider increasing the kill cap for increasing the armor by 1 to something like
5 instead of 2.
Let's talk about the units. That mighty ent is like a little battle tank! If I research "Fortified Wood", he becomes nearly invincible. I once tried to siege the enemy Undead with a bunch of treant archers and warriors. All of the treant soldiers died but those damn bulky beasts were not even at half of their HP (enemy had even meat wagons and I attacked at night so no HP regeneration). I'd suggest removing the research that changes the armor of mighty ents from heavy to fortified because this just makes these creatures overpowered. Additionally, the unit variation is far too low. Why just 5 units in total (excluding workers)? You could add much more! The race lacks mechanical and flying units so why don't you implement them? They'd be so cool! Furthermore, the treant gatherers are just too good at defending the base. They can summon infinite-lasting venolias every 1-2 minutes. My base became overflooded with them in less than 10 minutes. You must add an expiration timer to them such as 30 seconds for example.
Finally, why don't you add a structure that gives food only? Currently, to get food, I must build either the unit-producing building (Tree of Life) or the main building (Ancient Protector). That's a big waste of resources. Add a building that provides food only.

As for now, the map is set to needs fix because of the mega unbalance of the race. Will it ever see the light of approval? It depends on you, sarumanthecursed. Good luck!

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StoPCampinGn00b said:

Well, the map isn't "Warcraft Enchanted" but instead "Nerubian". The whole concept, terrain, and presumably map file is changed. The Nerubian race is well executed for the most part, but for early game, players will have slim chances of survival without experience with the race. One definite positive is that the race looks awesome.

About the custom race
The first impression of the map the race looks cool. Fancy models galore! The second impression is, "how am I supposed train workers?". And taking time to find out what buildings should be built first, you'll find out that you'll need a whole separate building to pump your workers out. Basically, early game is hell for the race. Any decent harassment, especially by a blademaster, dooms the game for good. Luckily, the undead computer I played against isn't as harsh (but I still lost under 10 minutes the first 2 times I played). Basically, the Nerubians are by far the most vulnerable race at the start no contest. What you can do is simply allow the eggs to be allowed to be spawned from the townhall (with proper balance tweaks). If you have a better idea, follow through with it.

Going into second tier, it matches up better against the other races. This is also where I discovered some cool spells and mechanics that you can research or is already on a hero / unit. Though, the units seem to be on the cheap side, specifically on the Vizier with strong offensive and defensive spells, 1000+hp, good ranged magic damage, hero armor, all for 250 gold and 100 lumber? The lumber is high, by the gold is on the lower side. Also, tier 2 and still no healer. Out of the three heroes I tried, there was no healer. Tier 3 doesn't have any healing either, so one will just have to rely on burrowing (available in upgrades) which not all units have.

Third tier is, different. You get your first air units which are basically gargoyle equivalents and the "It's so OP" or "this is such a waste" unit depending on the scenario. The Jormungar is really cool and unique, but is underpowered or overpowered in different scenarios, but in the overpowered scenario it wrecks crazily. It's damage against buildings is just way too strong despite the fact that it's obviously bad against moving units, even much more so. It's fast move speed only helps them bolt to enemy buildings faster.

Misc: I can't find the burrow upgrade.

The Nerubian race in whole is bad at the start, and over the course of the game has super strong counters and can get countered really well. It's polished and original, but some of the concepts are faulty with a few balance issues.

Other than the race, the map terrain is enough. It's not great, but it's not bland. It could use more tile variation near the starting points and more doodads.
I feel that you have so much more space to work with. Keeping multiplayer maps under 8.1mb is always the best option if possible. Delete any possible unused imports + Reduce the map size

What needs to be done for approval is:
- Complete the description. It says nothing informative about the race.
- Confirm whether you're going to make this a Nerubian map or multi-race map. If this is to be a multi-race map, it's really incomplete and I'll move it to substandard for the time being. If it's going to be Nerubian, I'll set it to awaiting update where it will be hidden until you update it.
- Buff early game, nerf Vizier, nerf Jormungar against buildings
The rest of the mentions in the review are suggestions.

Good luck with the map! Please answer the second bullet point so I can appropriately moderate the thread

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Rufus said:

@StoPCampinGn00b, are you wrapping this up?

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Alok said:

- Most of Nerubian buildings have WAY too much health and armour when fully upgraded - in comparison, the maximum armour of Orc buildings is 5 and their health is usually around 1000, while the Nerubian ones have up to 11 fortified armour, and their health is around 3200, 2400 and 2000 HP
- Some of Nerubian units have too little attack damage, while others are OP
- For example, Nerubian Warrior has so little damage even when fully upgraded, although he is tier 1, and his main role is just to attack normally, he has no spells as far as I can remember, and his ranged counterpart Nerubian Archer has so much more damage, despite of it being a ranged unit
- Vizier is too OP with Hero armor, the aura and everything
- Jormungar is too OP with an added 2.5 times damage to buildings ability in addition to his siege attack and his building-armour-breaking ability, you could just train five of them and let them sneak to the enemy town hall burrowed and nuke it dead
- Jormungar has 11 heavy armour when fully upgraded, in addition to his damage-reducing ability - too much for a burrowing unit
- Nerubian Necromancer's abilities are OP too
- Frost Tower is pretty much useless, it has such a low attack for -5 food he takes, either leave the food, or increase its attack or ability power

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StoPCampinGn00b said:

Just moved it to substandard for now.

saruman has a good point in criticizing the WIP / Beta rule which I myself have my own opinions on it, so this may be moved after some private discussion.

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