War of the Dead v1.2

Moderator · Jan 31, 2015

17th Mar 2015
StoPCampinGn00b: See my comment.

19:09, 3rd Feb 2015
StoPCampinGn00b: Map set to Await Update / Needs Fix based off of Sclammerz review (and Imperator's). It will automatically be set back to pending once you update it.

WhiteFang · Jan 31, 2015

Ooooo another campaign by Vampiral.Ill be sure to play this in my free time.

Sclammerz · Jan 31, 2015

Is this a continuation of the previous one? I would love to play this and give a review later.

Dreadwing · Jan 31, 2015

I gonna try this one for sure!

E: I think you better change some Vampires models more Dark-ish because It's too Elvish....

Vampiral · Jan 31, 2015

Answers

Yes, this is a continuation of my other campaign.
And the models are elvish by design. Vampires have pale skin, not dark or corpse colored flesh.

Update: Screenshots have now been added.

Mechanical Man · Jan 31, 2015

But pix don't work.

Sclammerz · Jan 31, 2015

Mechanical Man said:
But pix don't work.

I assume you are talking to the screenshots, are you? I think he did not put any.

Dreadwing · Jan 31, 2015

Vampiral said:
And the models are elvish by design. Vampires have pale skin, not dark or corpse colored flesh.

Not about the skin, I thought Vampires have more Dark-ish outfits, not Holy-ish outfits...

Mechanical Man · Jan 31, 2015

Sclammerz said:
I assume you are talking to the screenshots, are you? I think he did not put any.

But why then there is a spoiler for screenshots?

Vampiral · Jan 31, 2015

Clarification

Mechanical Man said:
But why then there is a spoiler for screenshots?

Because I knew I was going to add in some screenshots later. I just hadn't gotten there at the time of posting, so I set it up such that adding screenshots would be easy. Now, however, I have taken and added the screenshots I was planning to add. Enjoy!

Sclammerz · Jan 31, 2015

Mechanical Man said:
But why then there is a spoiler for screenshots?

Just play it. Haha. Anyway just finished the whole campaign.

Deleted member 238589 · Feb 1, 2015

Gameplay & Bugs

The campaign itself is quite monotone. It's way too often about simply destorying this or that base. About the Vampire race, it is just a copy/paste of multiple units from different races. Nothing unique. The AI is not challenging. The hero abilities are essentially the same, apart from having different icons. Also, the game does not save the hero abilities a player had chosen in the previous chapter. The quest notifications spam sometimes, especially in chapter 5, where is spams every time the building is destroyed or a unit killed. In chapter 2, the enemy waves are way too frequent, yet quite weak and easy to counter. There are occasional green boxes instead of icons. Vampires regenerate with an insane rate at night, decrease it a bit, it's way too fast. It also makes Blood Slasher's (copy/paste of Ghouls) Thirst/Cannibalize ability rather useless, even though it is also overpowered. You need a lot of work in this area.

Terrain & Scenery

The terrain is empty. You're using one or two tiles, at best, with very few doodads, apart from trees. It mostly consists of a single road, leading directly towards the enemy. The way that those dirt cliffs are place is quite unnatural and ugly. You need to put more effort into it.

Story, Cinematics & Narration

Story, in my opinion, has potential, yet it's execution is way too simple. Narration is not very good either, as the dialogues resemble one another too much and generally are uninteresting. Cinematics are unskippable. Barely any use of fade effects. Characters are underdeveloped, in my opinion. You never made a player care about the main characters. You should work more on their individual stories and make them more interesting.

Verdict

Overall, the campaign needs a lot of work. Rated 2/5 and AWAITING UPDATE.

Vampiral · Feb 1, 2015

Imperator's review

Thank you for taking the time to review my campaign. I appreciate your comments, and will take them into account when I have the time to overhaul the campaign. I only have three things to comment on.

1: Cinematics not skipable. This one isn't something I can fix. I'm not sure how to do skipping, and I haven't found a tutorial that makes sense to me.

2: Techtree is unoriginal. Honestly, that's not going to change. I don't have the patience or skill to make a completely unique techtree. What's currently up is my best effort.

3: Hero XP and inventory doesn't transition. I'm aware of this. My last campaign has issues with this, so I'm waiting until a friend of my is able to get me intructions as to how to do that without the issues I was seeing. I should have that in the next week or so, and I'll add that function to this campaign as well.

Aside from those, I agree with everything else you said, and I'll fix it for the next release. Thanks again for the review!

Deleted member 238589 · Feb 1, 2015

No problem. You'll improve overtime. I wish you good luck.

Mechanical Man · Feb 1, 2015

It's a slight improvement over your first campaign, the quests finally work properly, terrain is only little better, but it still needs much improvement.

1: Cinematics not skipable. This one isn't something I can fix. I'm not sure how to do skipping, and I haven't found a tutorial that makes sense to me.

You need 3 triggers for that.

Cinematic skip
- Events
  - Player - Player 1 (Red) skips a cinematic sequence
- Conditions
  - Message Equal to 1
- Actions
  - Set Message = 0

Put this before every wait action, e.g. unit transmissions and ending it with running the cleanup trigger like shown as the last action

If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
- If - Conditions
  - Message Equal to 0
- Then - Actions
  - Trigger - Run Cinematic 1 skip <gen> (ignoring conditions)
  - Skip remaining actions
- Else - Actions
...
Trigger - Run Cinematic 1 skip <gen> (ignoring conditions)

Then there is cleanup trigger, which is effectively end cinematic trigger, where you do all that stuff, like, fading filters, turning cinematic mode on, reset camera and display images.

2: Techtree is unoriginal. Honestly, that's not going to change. I don't have the patience or skill to make a completely unique techtree. What's currently up is my best effort.

It's not because it's unoriginal. It doesn't have dat feeling as a vampire, who are still undead in their core. These unit models are way too elvish and building models styles clash too much. I'd suggest to use Ujumasa hojo's forsaken buildings or something. The story doesn't seem to be too 'vampiric', how to say...

3: Hero XP and inventory doesn't transition. I'm aware of this. My last campaign has issues with this, so I'm waiting until a friend of my is able to get me intructions as to how to do that without the issues I was seeing. I should have that in the next week or so, and I'll add that function to this campaign as well.

Game caches: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/trigger-gui-editor-tutorials-279/game-caches-6273/

Dreadwing · Feb 1, 2015

Tech-Tree

Well, I believe I already sent this to you, but I'll gonna link this here:

Can I give you suggestion about Vampires techtree?
(Icons (Expect Troll Bat Rider Icon) are Clickable!)

Dark Champion

Vampire Bat

Nightbane

Leatherwing

Spymaster

Nightbringer

Sanguine

Buildings

Sclammerz · Feb 4, 2015

Sclammerz's Review

Sclammerz's Review
MAP NAME: War of the Dead

MAP AUTHOR: Vampiral

MAP VERSION: 1.0

INTRODUCTION

Hello, Vampiral! I see, you have a another campaign and a sequel in your previous campaign. I finished this campaign and here's my review.

GAMEPLAY & BUGS

The gameplay is a warcraft-ish gameplay and nothing wrong about it. But now, it has quests unlike your previous campaign that does not have any and now I know what's the objective in each map. The vampire techtree somewhat improved and unique, I like it but due to the fact that there are no unit upgrades and the techtree was somewhat lacking and not really original, in my opinion and the abilities was somewhat copied like the thirst obviously it was from the Ghoul's cannibalize ability. Maybe add more variety of different spells. Also again there are no game cache, the spells I picked from the previous chapter were reseted when I'm at the next chapter and it's really bothering. Also there are only few (some have none) items that can be obtained but most of them are healing potion/mana potion, maybe add more useful items throughout the campaign. I didn't notice any bugs occur during I played this.

SCORE: 2/5

TERRAIN AND AESTHETICS

The terrain was very plain and empty. The cliffs was kinda ugly, many empty spaces, some tiles doesn't fit and you did not put enough decorations to decorate your terrain and it's very lacking. Improve it please, it somewhat brings the campaign down.
Presentation:
The thread looks nice +2 for that but no screenie? Please add some.

SCORE: 2/5

STORY

As far this was the best part of your campaign, I really like the story. I only notice few grammar mistakes. Well, the cinematics was good but I think you can improve it and cannot be skipped. :3 Some of the dialogues like "Let's go, sister/brother" are overused, you use it over and over. Maybe you could somewhat change it a bit. 0_o? I like the story turned out, anyway.

SCORE: 3/5

SUGGESTIONS

The terrain really needs more work, add more decorations like rocks, shrubs and etc.
The Vampire techtree needs more work, yet it was now not too "messy" give them more original and unique spells to fit them.
The Heroes spells button position was somewhat random, please fix them.
Please add game caches, so that my items and picked spells will not be reseted.
Anette's icon turns green when the game is pause, I think your forgot to import the DISBTN or you did not write the right path for it. Mind to fix that?
The Heroes spells could do more work and I see you only change their icon but their effect are still the same. Maybe add more original spells for them.
The chapter where I will battle the Lich King is very boring and easy, maybe you could make it more challenging to the player? Thinks about it?
Sylvanas' model before the epilogue was the normal Dark Ranger but on the epilogue her skin changed. Maybe you could use that skin before the epilogue too, to show difference between the normal Dark Rangers and Sylvanas.
The vampire worker's name is "Blood Elf Servator/Worker or whatever" But when you train them it said "Train Servator/Worker. Mind to fix it?
Make the cinematic skippable too.
Also just a little suggestion in your change log instead of "Added: The whole campaign. Fixed: None. Known Bugs: None. You could delete them and just write "Released." I know it's just a small thing but still.

OVERALL

It was very close for a 3/5 score and maybe an approval but still, many things needs to be improve and fix and I like the efforts you've been doing to your maps. I'll give it 2/5 I vote for Needs Fix. When the new update is released, notify me and i'll be glad to play and review this campaign once again. Happy Mapping!

AVERAGE SCORE: 2/5 - I vote for NEEDS FIX

StoPCampinGn00b · Feb 4, 2015

Map set to Await Update / Needs Fix based off of Sclammerz review (and Imperator's). It will automatically be set back to pending once you update it.

Vampiral · Feb 4, 2015

Sclammerz Review

Sclammerz said:
Sclammerz's Review

The Vampire techtree needs more work, yet it was now not too "messy" give them more original and unique spells to fit them.

The Heroes spells button position was somewhat random, please fix them.

Firstly, I'd like to thank Sclammerz for a review. I'm already working on a retool of the campaign, but I'm more than happy to expand my efforts with it.

Secondly, Sclammerz raised two points in her review, as shown above, that I need help with. I'm glad to fix them, but I'm not sure how.
For the spells, please don't tell me to look on the forum. I've already spent WAY too much time doing that (Why are so many of the spells pending?). If you have a suggestion, please provide a specific link.
As to the issue with hero skill locations being kind randomized, I assure you it's not intentional. I had this issue with my last campaign. I have no idea how to fix it. Anyone who does, let me know, and I'll correct it for the next version.

Finally, I am working to make adjustments, but I'm a tad busy right now, and so between that and the volume of corrections needed for this campaign, I'm gonna be a while. It's kinda funny. I though on releasing this that it was much better than its predecessor. I knew I needed to add game cache, but I thought that was it. This has now gotten more suggestions and 'needs fixes' comments than said predecessor. I find that hilarious.

Alright. New version's up!

Daffa · Feb 20, 2015

Why I feel the heroes name are a little odd.
Anyway, for some reason I lost the essence I get from the previous campaign, maybe because I was lazy? I'll retry this when the new update rolls out.

Daffa · Feb 21, 2015

Review

NOTE : All Chapters start with a score of 100.

Prologue
Daniel : readying -> preparing [Recommended]
For some reason the Prologue doesn't directly load Chapter One after finishing. [Optional]
Score : 100/100

Chapter One
Adrian : let us away -> let's go [Recommended]
Annette Icon doesn't have it's DISBTN counterpart, either that or it's path isn't properly set. http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/general-mapping-tutorials-278/how-import-icon-7287/ [-5]
Skill Buttons for Adrian and Annette are randomly placed. [-3]
Perhaps Annette and Adrian can use better spells? http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/spells.php [Optional]
Make the area around the shipyard revealed to make players can see all the undeads they need to kill [Optional]
Zombie can't be cannibalized while others can (Vampire Slasher Thirst)? [-1]
Score : 91/100

Chapter Two - Ending
Can't play them due to Game Cache issue [-100]
Score : 0/100 (Each Chapter)

Current Final Score : (100 + 91 + 10(0)) / 11 : 17/100 (Rounded)
Rate : N/A
Voting : Needs Fix

For some reason the Game Cache is broken which keeps me from continuing, or am I using the wrong version? Let me check...

EDIT :
The issue is the same as your Rise of Vampire Kingdom Campaign. Annette and Adrian has wrong Unit ID from each map, I'm sure you remember the fix method I send before.
Until then I can't continue, and I'm sorry I have to score it very low for now. I await the next update for the fix.

StoPCampinGn00b · Mar 18, 2015

Vampiral VM said:
CHANGE OF PLANS
I've been looking at the comments on the maps I have posted. Every single one has pointed to one thing; the maps are boring. The story is great, but the player never gets that far because the map is uninteresting. Since my efforts to improve have consistently fallen flat, I am now thinking that I should cut my loses. I am dropping my current WIP, and stopping support for my existing maps. In essence, letting them die. I love making these maps, and the stories I can tell, but it is clear that for my maps to have any real appeal, I need to work with an experience and skilled mapmaker. I make write the story and do some trigger work, they make the physical map. And at this point in time, that is not something I can do. So for now at least, I will be posting only comments.

Map rejected. If you have a change of plans, feel free to notify the staff in staff contact. Happy hiving!

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