Siege of Helms Deep v5.0.9

Moderator · Mar 15, 2009

14:15, 21st Mar 2009 by bounty hunter2:

I see an improvement from the previous version, now here is my short review:

I have played quite some Helms Deep maps, and I must say this one does differ itself. The terrain was done greatly, really catching an epic feeling, that Helms Deep consists of. On some places there a bit too much rocks, but overall well done. Now, what I didn't like was the camera system. You shouldn't use dialogs for that, rather type in. And when I do switch the camera, an pan over one second is better then an immidiate pan. The idea isn't original, it was seen a lot of times before. The spells could require some more work, they should be triggered and done better. Anyway, this concludes my short review, Approved with a 3/5 (Useful) rating. Good job in making this map, polish it as much as possible, it would be a shame if I don't approve, and it allready has one T-Up for approval from a mini mod.

Youknowho · Mar 15, 2009

Best Helms Deep I ever played!!

Tau Empire · Mar 15, 2009

Another Helms Deep map, I gonna have to count how many I have played I will review this after playing it.

Alright finished playing this as the White Hand

- Uruk-kai Spear Throwers don't exist but they do have pike men lol
- No Ballistas?
- How come every Helms Deep map you have to blow up the wall before destroying the gate?
- The way of getting resources (Iron scrape) is fun
- Terrain is really well made
- Music isn't LOTR but still it does fit with the map, sorta, I still rather having LOTR music in it lol.
- That wound system or whatever it was called (50% chance of reducing movement speed) it's a bit to high lower it to 30 % around.
- Now for sure that it's like the movie so good job on that.
- Balancing needs fixing (3 vs 4, and still helms deep lost, cause of those spear throwers.)
- Thank god you put that attack command to the Warlord instead of selecting 12 units attack, select another 12, attack etc...
- Gold is useless for Helms Deep other than horses...

Overall I give it a 4/5

Vuormalainen · Mar 15, 2009

Tau Empire said:
Another Helms Deep map, I gonna have to count how many I have played I will review this after playing it.

Alright finished playing this as the White Hand

- Uruk-kai Spear Throwers don't exist but they do have pike men lol
- No Ballistas?
- How come every Helms Deep map you have to blow up the wall before destroying the gate?
- The way of getting resources (Iron scrape) is fun
- Terrain is really well made
- Music isn't LOTR but still it does fit with the map, sorta, I still rather having LOTR music in it lol.
- That wound system or whatever it was called (50% chance of reducing movement speed) it's a bit to high lower it to 30 % around.
- Now for sure that it's like the movie so good job on that.
- Balancing needs fixing (3 vs 4, and still helms deep lost, cause of those spear throwers.)
- Thank god you put that attack command to the Warlord instead of selecting 12 units attack, select another 12, attack etc...
- Gold is useless for Helms Deep other than horses...

Overall I give it a 4/5

Thanks alot. Going to add the ballistas very soon but not sure if Uruk's will have time to use em, all happens so fast^^ But you mean for large ladders right? Thanks for telling there aint spearthrowers, tried to get pikemen but can't find any

You have to blow the wall first so it is more like the movie^^ Else everyone could give their resources to one guy who builds the ram and they kinda instant win.

Haha ye, I got a huge problem with finding lotr music, if you could help me that would be freaking nice.
I'll have a look at "wound system"

Balancing, should I remove spear throwers? Then they only can get money in beginning by making ladders and climb with em, but if they fail, they can't win as crossbowmen costs.

Ye the gold for defenders. dunno yet, maybe gonna make em able to get ballista, catapults or something dunny really..

Tau Empire · Mar 15, 2009

I will gladly help you with this.

-Music is so easy to find lol

-Removing the spear throwers could help, pikemen can be still troll headhunters

-Add some upgrade armor or weapons to help them out survive longer (same with defenders)

- Hmm Balistas are gonna be for large ladders I guess or just a simple giant missile doing splash damage.

- I have notice lagging issues and graphical errors when the archers of the Deeping wall and a mass of Uruk-kai Spearthrowers are fighting each other.

- I dont think range should do damage to the gates I mean your throwing a arrow at a wooden door it has 50/50 chance it will pierce through but it won't crack...

Here are 3 musics I decided to cook up (note that it is legal when the fact that I edited these music files for non-commercial usage, also the reason why there is a 2 at the end of the title is because it's the edited version of the original.)

Vuormalainen · Mar 15, 2009

Tau Empire said:
I will gladly help you with this.

-Music is so easy to find lol

-Removing the spear throwers could help, pikemen can be still troll headhunters

-Add some upgrade armor or weapons to help them out survive longer (same with defenders)

- Hmm Balistas are gonna be for large ladders I guess or just a simple giant missile doing splash damage.

- I have notice lagging issues and graphical errors when the archers of the Deeping wall and a mass of Uruk-kai Spearthrowers are fighting each other.

- I dont think range should do damage to the gates I mean your throwing a arrow at a wooden door it has 50/50 chance it will pierce through but it won't crack...

Here are 3 musics I decided to cook up (note that it is legal when the fact that I edited these music files for non-commercial usage, also the reason why there is a 2 at the end of the title is because it's the edited version of the original.)

As I said "Then they only can get money in beginning by making ladders and climb with em, but if they fail, they can't win as crossbowmen costs." And Troll spearthrowers and the ones I use both hits "down" so it won't fit a pikeman very good.

I had upgrades before but alot people forget that and I don't see it very "real" to do that when you are under siege^^

Ye I know about that lagging and graphic errors but don't really know how to fix em. Removed most buff special effects, think that helped a little. Well it would help if I made corpses disapear faster, how? Something with the decay in unit editor, thats all I know, if you know tell please.
And/or make all units 2x better but reduce how many there are. 5 Uruks per grp ex,ex.

Ballistas, will start working now.

Range does damage to gate, but very very little, isn't that enough?

I'll try the musics.

Tau Empire · Mar 15, 2009

Ok for the decaying part, go to Advanced/Gameplay Constants, you will find Decay Time on it.

Put around 5 to 8 normal uruk-kais 2/3 berserkers 5 crossbows and maybe give the uruk-kais a bit more money to start off with.

Im not sure if you notice but there is a Uruk-kai model in this site and it has no weapons on it so you can attach them if you like.

Vuormalainen · Mar 15, 2009

Tau Empire said:
Ok for the decaying part, go to Advanced/Gameplay Constants, you will find Decay Time on it.

Put around 5 to 8 normal uruk-kais 2/3 berserkers 5 crossbows and maybe give the uruk-kais a bit more money to start off with.

Im not sure if you notice but there is a Uruk-kai model in this site and it has no weapons on it so you can attach them if you like.

That model is 1.8 MB size :/

Malcous · Mar 18, 2009

Nice map

Vuormalainen · Mar 18, 2009

Malcous said:
Nice map

Thanks ^^

baassee · Mar 20, 2009

Is it possible to have the changelog here too?

Also some more description, like features? ^^

Best Helms deep I've played but still haven't played full house so don't know really.

pippo · Mar 20, 2009

i'd like to see some triggers...for example the gates one...you said it's the best but if i can't open the map i really won't know how it's made -.-

Vuormalainen · Mar 20, 2009

baassee said:
Is it possible to have the changelog here too?

Also some more description, like features? ^^

Best Helms deep I've played but still haven't played full house so don't know really.

Thanks for that and ye sure, I'll add the changelogs here.
Comments like yours want be to keep improving it

pippo said:
i'd like to see some triggers...for example the gates one...you said it's the best but if i can't open the map i really won't know how it's made -.-

Keep that in private message please. And I ment that if you check the map in-game you will probably understand how to do it. If not, I suggest to not make any guides, sorry. But I might make an guide of it myself.

bounty hunter2 · Mar 21, 2009

Well I must say this isn't bad, I'l review soon.

Racoon · Mar 21, 2009

Very well made terrain and nice models-this brings back the original helms deep. But, you should add more models for the uruks and have some more units for free peoples- not elven archer/warrior rohan archer/knight/warrior. Add king's guard knights, longbow archers(really good dmg and range but have extremely low hp) and some rohan townspeople fighters.-miltia and whatnot. Plus, it would be cool to have gandalf playable in the last rideout- red can control him. And i disagree at the time forth eorlingas happens- it happense before gandalf arrives-should be at same time even if great hall gate is destroyed. U should also add theoden, hama, and gamling to the playable heroes- basically, make it like all the other helms maps cept keep the current heroes and the amazing terrain. Uruks need some pikeman, crossbow men also- Brutal archer model could be used, cept toned down a bit?

The music is great- but LOTR music would make it even better. Overall when I hosted this yesterday, I had alot of fun with it. also, make the great hall a bit bigger- and I have no clue what the door next to it leads to- just a dead end?

Overall

8.5/10

Vuormalainen · Mar 21, 2009

Racoon said:
Very well made terrain and nice models-this brings back the original helms deep. But, you should add more models for the uruks and have some more units for free peoples- not elven archer/warrior rohan archer/knight/warrior. Add king's guard knights, longbow archers(really good dmg and range but have extremely low hp) and some rohan townspeople fighters.-miltia and whatnot. Plus, it would be cool to have gandalf playable in the last rideout- red can control him. And i disagree at the time forth eorlingas happens- it happense before gandalf arrives-should be at same time even if great hall gate is destroyed. U should also add theoden, hama, and gamling to the playable heroes- basically, make it like all the other helms maps cept keep the current heroes and the amazing terrain. Uruks need some pikeman, crossbow men also- Brutal archer model could be used, cept toned down a bit?

The music is great- but LOTR music would make it even better. Overall when I hosted this yesterday, I had alot of fun with it. also, make the great hall a bit bigger- and I have no clue what the door next to it leads to- just a dead end?

Overall

8.5/10

More models makes the map larger file, and I hate those maps and theres alot of people that will be kicked becouse it takes so long to download.

I will add Milita for the defenders to "buy".

Gandalf playable? No thanks. What if that player would be afk? Or if he would ruin it, no thanks. Still want it to be alittle like the movie.

Forth eorlingas, so think about it. If you would be theoden, aragorn and those who was there. Dont you think they would ride out anyway, if gandalf wouldnt come?

I'am gonna add theoden yes, and the others too maybe.

I can't find a nice model for the pikeman but I might search again. They already have crossbowmen.

Yes if you look some posts before you, theres a guy who posted some music. I might use the mordor one.

Hero quests, what should they get by doing that? But that actually gave me a idea which I wont tell, thanks alot.

The hall is kinda big and if i make it bigger it would destroy the cellar. And it really doesn't need to big, eh? The door, its to the cellar, just something I did for fun, might put items down there or something secret

baassee · Mar 21, 2009

Vuormalainen said:
More models makes the map larger file, and I hate those maps and theres alot of people that will be kicked becouse it takes so long to download.

My friend, learn the way of optimizing!

Ultimate Map SLK Optimizer-10 seconds,Make your map Smaller And Faster - Wc3campaigns
Wc3mapoptimizer 4.7c - Wc3campaigns

Racoon · Mar 21, 2009

Thanks for clarifying things and I hope that "secret hero quest idea" comes through well. Also edited post for the unecessary suggestions. Well hall doesn't need to be big, but adding King Theoden's throne seat would be nice- maybe some doodads in the hall thats all.

Vuormalainen · Mar 21, 2009

baassee said:
My friend, learn the way of optimizing!

Ultimate Map SLK Optimizer-10 seconds,Make your map Smaller And Faster - Wc3campaigns
Wc3mapoptimizer 4.7c - Wc3campaigns

Alright, teach me!

Racoon said:
Thanks for clarifying things and I hope that "secret hero quest idea" comes through well. Also edited post for the unecessary suggestions. Well hall doesn't need to be big, but adding King Theoden's throne seat would be nice- maybe some doodads in the hall thats all.

Ah okey. Sorry if it sounded like I said "make it better yourself" tho

Racoon · Mar 22, 2009

Gimli sorely needs his skin by Hueter. I don't think it will take too much space on your map.

I would also like to suggest that the hero abilities can be tweaked a bit as well. For example, all of Gimli's abilities are standard Mountain King abilities except for "Axe Throw". Same with Aragorn and Legolas though they have new abilities, they aren't very appealing. I do not know how proficient you are with creating spells, but let me put my own ideas for viable spells...

Gimli:

"Axe Throw"= Gimli throws an axe, dealing damage in a line as well as stunning for enemies for 5 seconds.

Level 1: Deals 150 Damage
Level 2: Deals 300 Damage
Level 3: Deals 450 Damage

Mana Cost: It should take up approximately 20% of his mana
Cooldown: 15 seconds

"Leap!"=Gimli heroically leaps among his enemies, which causes a 3 second stun and 200 damage to all within 400 AoE.

Level 1: Leaps up to 500 range
Level 2: Leaps up to 700 range
Level 3: Leaps up to 1000 range, also gains 50% attackspeed upon landing for 3 seconds

Mana Cost: 25
Cooldown: 30 seconds

Dwarven Fury[Passive]=The Dwarves are stubborn and strong, constructed from the bones of the earth. They are also deadly in battle, seeming to grow stronger with each blow they take.

Level 1: For every 10% of HP lost, Gimli gains +0.5 Armor and +5% Attack speed
Level 2: For every 10% of HP lost, Gimli gains +1 Armor and +10% Attack speed
Level 3: For every 10% of HP lost, Gimli gains +2 Armor and +20% Attack speed

Baruk Khazad! Khazad Ai-Menu![Ultimate]=Gimli utters a dwarven warcry, inspiring his allies and terrifying his enemies.

Effect: All allies within a 800 AoE of Gimli gain +10 armor, 200% attackspeed, and gain 500 HP for 8 seconds

Mana Cost: Should take up 80% of his mana.
Cooldown: 2 minutes

Please tell me if I buffed Gimli up too much or vice versa- but hey, these are the best ideas I have.

I will add Aragorn and Legolas later.

Vuormalainen · Mar 22, 2009

Racoon said:
Gimli sorely needs his skin by Hueter. I don't think it will take too much space on your map.

I would also like to suggest that the hero abilities can be tweaked a bit as well. For example, all of Gimli's abilities are standard Mountain King abilities except for "Axe Throw". Same with Aragorn and Legolas though they have new abilities, they aren't very appealing. I do not know how proficient you are with creating spells, but let me put my own ideas for viable spells...

Gimli:

"Axe Throw"= Gimli throws an axe, dealing damage in a line as well as stunning for enemies for 5 seconds.

Level 1: Deals 150 Damage
Level 2: Deals 300 Damage
Level 3: Deals 450 Damage

Mana Cost: It should take up approximately 20% of his mana
Cooldown: 15 seconds

"Leap!"=Gimli heroically leaps among his enemies, which causes a 3 second stun and 200 damage to all within 400 AoE.

Level 1: Leaps up to 500 range
Level 2: Leaps up to 700 range
Level 3: Leaps up to 1000 range, also gains 50% attackspeed upon landing for 3 seconds

Mana Cost: 25
Cooldown: 30 seconds

Dwarven Fury[Passive]=The Dwarves are stubborn and strong, constructed from the bones of the earth. They are also deadly in battle, seeming to grow stronger with each blow they take.

Level 1: For every 10% of HP lost, Gimli gains +0.5 Armor and +5% Attack speed
Level 2: For every 10% of HP lost, Gimli gains +1 Armor and +10% Attack speed
Level 3: For every 10% of HP lost, Gimli gains +2 Armor and +20% Attack speed

Baruk Khazad! Khazad Ai-Menu![Ultimate]=Gimli utters a dwarven warcry, inspiring his allies and terrifying his enemies.

Effect: All allies within a 800 AoE of Gimli gain +10 armor, 200% attackspeed, and gain 500 HP for 8 seconds

Mana Cost: Should take up 80% of his mana.
Cooldown: 2 minutes

Please tell me if I buffed Gimli up too much or vice versa- but hey, these are the best ideas I have.

I will add Aragorn and Legolas later.

Nice ideas, I might try them to tomorrow!
Baruk Khazad=?

Racoon · Mar 22, 2009

Baruk Khazad=?

In the book- it is a dwarven warcry- it means "Axes of the Dwarves. The dwarves are upon you!"

Vuormalainen · Mar 22, 2009

Racoon said:
In the book- it is a dwarven warcry- it means "Axes of the Dwarves. The dwarves are upon you!"

Alright, tell me if you know any more such "cool" things^^ Might be fun to have!

baassee · Mar 22, 2009

All I can say is lols @ spells

Alright at axethrow = uber because stunning all in a line? what a heck is that good for?

Leap, seems nice but get rid of the stun or else he will be pretty imba or? ^^

Love the passive as it changes as Huskars in Dota but in other ways

Alright for ulti cause it's an ulti ...

Tau Empire · Mar 22, 2009

The secret hero is Saruman lol jk. Well all I can say is that the lagging stopped and that massing graphic errors hardly happens anymore. What would be funny if there was trolls in it lol.

Vuormalainen · Mar 22, 2009

Tau Empire said:
The secret hero is Saruman lol jk. Well all I can say is that the lagging stopped and that massing graphic errors hardly happens anymore. What would be funny if there was trolls in it lol.

Troll eh? xD

Racoon · Mar 22, 2009

baassee said:
All I can say is lols @ spells

Alright at axethrow = uber because stunning all in a line? what a heck is that good for?

Leap, seems nice but get rid of the stun or else he will be pretty imba or? ^^

Love the passive as it changes as Huskars in Dota but in other ways

Alright for ulti cause it's an ulti ...

I know they are imba in certain situations- but just throwing ideas out there-the specific damage and effects can be nerfed or buffed so it can be balanced.

Vuormalainen · Mar 22, 2009

Okey the map still lags, just played and alot ppl said it lagged (uruks created big army together) hmm..

Tau Empire · Mar 22, 2009

Well I hardly notice lagging now... not sure why they say they lag.

Racoon · Mar 22, 2009

Indeed, I played your latest version and it is relatively lag-free. Nice caves up top.

EDIT: Ok, Orcs can win very easily- at least it seems like that to me-maybe since I didn't utilize secret events. Pikemen kill everything in mass numbers(including knights) and I noticed uruk warriors aren't trained anymore. Haldir's elven force needs to be a bit bigger and regarding the "secret entrance" next to the main gate= how do u activate it? Me and Gimli went over there but nothing happened- this was after the deeping wall broke.

Also, the heroes need some items- just having retreat horns is boring- aragorn can get "Anduril, and the evenstar". Legolas can get "Mirkwood Bow" and Gimli can get "Erebor Axe".

Aragorn needs his own skin as well.

Vuormalainen · Mar 23, 2009

Racoon said:
Indeed, I played your latest version and it is relatively lag-free. Nice caves up top.

EDIT: Ok, Orcs can win very easily- at least it seems like that to me-maybe since I didn't utilize secret events. Pikemen kill everything in mass numbers(including knights) and I noticed uruk warriors aren't trained anymore. Haldir's elven force needs to be a bit bigger and regarding the "secret entrance" next to the main gate= how do u activate it? Me and Gimli went over there but nothing happened- this was after the deeping wall broke.

Also, the heroes need some items- just having retreat horns is boring- aragorn can get "Anduril, and the evenstar". Legolas can get "Mirkwood Bow" and Gimli can get "Erebor Axe".

Aragorn needs his own skin as well.

Why would they need items that you can already see? Should I add "Shoulder pads" item and all other too then you mean?
Pikemen are the new uruk warrior, changed model and name only.

suicune · Mar 25, 2009

Very well done...
Keep at your great work....

Tau Empire · Mar 25, 2009

You never did add my music in yet have you lol. A couple of more balancing update and this would be one of the best Helms Deep map I ever played

The_Dead_Fight · Mar 26, 2009

please give me the unprotected map. i want to fixed bug

or you can fix it your self :

-spawning army
-rally point

but this is a good map
thx a lot

Racoon · Mar 27, 2009

Tau Empire said:
You never did add my music in yet have you lol. A couple of more balancing update and this would be one of the best Helms Deep map I ever played

the music actually works for me during loading screen, but stops after that- doesn't replay the music track.

You should add Uruk Pikeman and Uruk Warriors- warriors better and fighting infantry and archers but suck fighting knights - and pikeman sucking against archers and swordsman but owning knights. :spell_breaker:

Tau Empire · Mar 27, 2009

Racoon said:
the music actually works for me during loading screen, but stops after that- doesn't replay the music track.

You should add Uruk Pikeman and Uruk Warriors- warriors better and fighting infantry and archers but suck fighting knights - and pikeman sucking against archers and swordsman but owning knights.

Well he needs to import the music in set it as music, then create a trigger for it like this

Event
Time-Elapsed gametime is 0.01 seconds (NEVER MAP INITIALIZATION) the reason why it's because it won't loop.
Action
Sound-Play (name of music) <gen>

Vuormalainen · Mar 28, 2009

dark_wizzard said:
please give me the unprotected map. i want to fixed bug

or you can fix it your self :

-spawning army
-rally point

but this is a good map
thx a lot

it's fixed but forgot to upload new update, sec sorry

Tau Empire · Mar 29, 2009

Accually the ram still won't work after you blow up the wall. It still says -Wall Blown required

Vuormalainen · Mar 29, 2009

Tau Empire said:
Accually the ram still won't work after you blow up the wall. It still says -Wall Blown required

Sigh, lemme check

Gummifrog · May 23, 2009

Hey is it only me or is there a bug with Wall Blown, i love your Helms Deep is so nice, the terrain is cool and good skins and the explosion is nice to
:thumbs_up:

lollol123 · May 27, 2009

Yeah me too. There is a glitch with the wall blown trigger. I currently played 3 games of this in battle.net and all of them with me as Uruk-hai. Every single time the wall blown trigger did not work, so me and my teammates couldnt use battering rams and ballistas which made the game much much harder for uruk-hai who could only charge up the back ramp.

Ideas: -Instead of a free Uruk Pikemen, just have a Uruk warrior. I think someone already mentioned this already. Uruk warrior is effective against archers and other swordsman but suck against knights, while pikemen is effective against knights but die rly fast to swordsman and archers.

- Lower the Eorling damage (When you break the throneroom gate they charge out. It's incredibly high, and a Uruk would die in around 1-2 seconds.

- How about high ladders? Like the ones the uruks used in the movie to assault the keep (not the wall). They were much much bigger then the wall ladders. If you remember, legolas shot a string that was holding the big ladder in place and the ladder fell down.

- Uruk crossbowmen are not that useful :/ btw... (in all my games people usually trained 1 squardron of crossbowmen then stopped right away).

Vuormalainen · May 28, 2009

lollol123 said:
Yeah me too. There is a glitch with the wall blown trigger. I currently played 3 games of this in battle.net and all of them with me as Uruk-hai. Every single time the wall blown trigger did not work, so me and my teammates couldnt use battering rams and ballistas which made the game much much harder for uruk-hai who could only charge up the back ramp.

Ideas: -Instead of a free Uruk Pikemen, just have a Uruk warrior. I think someone already mentioned this already. Uruk warrior is effective against archers and other swordsman but suck against knights, while pikemen is effective against knights but die rly fast to swordsman and archers.

- Lower the Eorling damage (When you break the throneroom gate they charge out. It's incredibly high, and a Uruk would die in around 1-2 seconds.

- How about high ladders? Like the ones the uruks used in the movie to assault the keep (not the wall). They were much much bigger then the wall ladders. If you remember, legolas shot a string that was holding the big ladder in place and the ladder fell down.

- Uruk crossbowmen are not that useful :/ btw... (in all my games people usually trained 1 squardron of crossbowmen then stopped right away).

First of all, so that you, everyone knows;
I havn't worked with this since about 2 months back and I just started working on another map, but I'll try to fix these things you mentioned and then leave the map again for a while.

First I had uruk warriors but someone wanted me to replace them with pikemen, so I will add warriors and keep both of them. Thanks. And I'll fix the wall trigger and then test it of course, seems like I didn't last time...

Ok I could lower that.

High ladders=ballista, ^^ But too bad wall trigger aint working atm.

So what should I do about the crossbowmen you think?

Wolf the ultimate · May 30, 2009

I've got tired of seeing LOTR maps! What about the history before? Tolkin wrote some bools talking about the history of Middle Earth before LOTR, such as Silmarilion! Can you create a map like this?

Anyway, 4/5 from me for your map!

Vuormalainen · May 30, 2009

Wolf the ultimate said:
I've got tired of seeing LOTR maps! What about the history before? Tolkin wrote some bools talking about the history of Middle Earth before LOTR, such as Silmarilion! Can you create a map like this?

Anyway, 4/5 from me for your map!

Thanks.
Yeh that was an very good idea, I could start making a such map if someone helped me with LOTR lore

Actually, I havn't read any of the books :/

Killed4Fun · Jun 1, 2009

Yeah! This map is the best.

lulol · Sep 1, 2009

great map ! (plz add tips for uruk ) 5/5

plz new spell !

Ryuu_Tsujii · Oct 2, 2009

this one
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/dark-pikeman-104603/?prev=search=pikeman&d=list&r=20
For the Pikemen

balnazar123 · Oct 25, 2009

do you have to play online to lett the orcs attack?

cmilan · Oct 26, 2009

The game is pretty good. I like it.

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