This would be a great game if it weren't for one major problem: little actual battle skill is involved. There is no aiming, little tactics, and little timing. However, there is plenty of memorization to be required of the player as well as team cooperation. I rate this map a 8/10, but it would definitely get a 10/10 if more tactics were involved in the game.

Dark, you are always asking for skill, that might be why i fail to finish two battle mage game, everyone just leave becuse they lack the skill.

And I'm an example of that

But really, ALOT of games are just there to be fun and skillless...

For example, Pass the Bomb, Who is the Murder, and even Tree Tag are not much of a skill game.

Hmmm let me guess. Phönix fire based map. Your weapons comes from every part of the ship from all different angles, even from the ass of the ships. I highly sofisticated 360 degree weapon systems which can be installed on every ships and randomly fires on whatever target they can hit. Wohooo always hitting the other ships never miss the enemy. What a great weapon system which never miss. Highly advanced battle system xxd


Skill requirement for autofire based maps: How to position yourself to concentrate the weapons randomness against the enemy.


sry but I'm an enemy of autofire based maps now.

VicBoy said:

But really, ALOT of games are just there to be fun and skillless...

For example, Pass the Bomb, Who is the Murder, and even Tree Tag are not much of a skill gam

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It isn't much of a skill game position yourself and let the weapons do the rest -.-

1) nothing against b-ships!!!
2) If u really need no skill for b-ships... so why did i loose 1 of 132 games and won all others?
3) try a game against me and my best friend and we'll see if u can win without skill
3) if u really need no skill... why the hell do i always have to plan my gameplay before the game starts, if there is no skill needed?
4) does anyone know a ver. of b-ships with AI?

TKF said:

Hmmm let me guess. Phönix fire based map. Your weapons comes from every part of the ship from all different angles, even from the ass of the ships. I highly sofisticated 360 degree weapon systems which can be installed on every ships and randomly fires on whatever target they can hit. Wohooo always hitting the other ships never miss the enemy. What a great weapon system which never miss. Highly advanced battle system xxd


Skill requirement for autofire based maps: How to position yourself to concentrate the weapons randomness against the enemy.


sry but I'm an enemy of autofire based maps now.

It isn't much of a skill game position yourself and let the weapons do the rest -.-

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Since when has Warcraft been realistic?

as for Itse.me_MARIO, I'll challenge you to a BShips. Let me know your account / Realm / Chosen map / ect. and we will get a game scheduled. your 131/132 sounds too farfetched to go unchallenged.

I've played a game with the map creator. It was better then I've expected. I've played worse maps like Battle Ships Pshycho. The mapper has carefully balanced the weapons. But still a Battle Ship map. It's not that orginal, so it gets 3.5/5

tkf so u a gave statements about the game requiring no skill before u played it ? ouch...

U see... It's because he played the map before... it's the same as if i would write a response to the newest dota 6.87(I don't know where we r at the moment ... sry...)
because i've once played dota 1.57
It's some kind of randomness, if i place the right answer in the correct place...

B.62 said:

tkf so u a gave statements about the game requiring no skill before u played it ? ouch...

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When did i say NO SKILL?

It isn't much of a skill game position yourself and let the weapons do the rest -.-

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hmmm question answered?

There's a difference between little and nothing

Immo your map is far superior to 87. I dont care what lawboi says. Since your map is better you should have enough selfesteem to change your profile picture from a big icy blob.

fender lol its the lich king if u didnt notice

great map immo

Immo your map is far superior to 87.

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yep. to me it feels like finally the crusader found its role in the game.

This map is officially the best one. Still getting used to .96

chaos is too strong in this version, make it cost 500 more or less dmg . for the rest, i realy like them, one of my favorite map.

Immo is just an old hated soul incased in a block of ice, where he is frozen in the hell he calls his life and looks out at the happy world. that is what he thinks of himself, given the info presented on his profile picture

Hmmm I challenge anyone to a 1v1 in bships =)

Plus immo already knows how I feel about the weapon changes he made from 87 to 96 =)

Anybody who is interested in BattleShips should join our hiveworkshop social group located here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/groups/battleshippers/

As a co-maker of this map, I must say we have come along way since we started working on it.

Dark.Revenant said:

This would be a great game if it weren't for one major problem: little actual battle skill is involved. There is no aiming, little tactics, and little timing. However, there is plenty of memorization to be required of the player as well as team cooperation. I rate this map a 8/10, but it would definitely get a 10/10 if more tactics were involved in the game.

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I think team cooperation is a pretty important thing to work on. I've played lots of games and without team cooperation, you will lose every time. guarenteed.

i like this map its lot of fun and skill

is there any b-ships AI planed?

Nope, but it wouldn't be difficult to design AI for autofire based bs maps. But I don't have any skills in AI design.

i know some battle-tanks AI and I still hope someone has the time and the courage to do the same for battle-ships

The skill is also like "when do I use which skill" "how do I skill" "which items do I use". It is more of a macro game than actually a micro game, hence I don't totally suck at it.

I'll test this ver this weekend, so stay tuned.

What are the changes for 1.197???

I will post a comprehensive changelog shortly, similar to how you do it on your Naval Battle map download.

EDIT: Changelog is posted!

Very fun map, but I still feel like it's just a battleships mod and there are no real innovations. But because of speedy gameplay and team tactics, 4/5.

My computers been messed up for two weeks so I still havent played 1.197 yet, but...
If it weren't for battleships, I probably wouldnt even be on Warcraft. So keep up the good work!!

this is a great map! it's a lot of fun - even with only 2 players

Hey Immo,
I think you still have to ballance some things.
I like the idear of the cold arrows slowing but you should make it a % chance of slowing someone so that its not so overpowert.
Cause dominator with 2 or 3 cold arrows slows everyone too much.
And Seapunnishers naval call is still much too strong.
I somehow thing capsize is now useless cause these 2 ships are way too strong.
And if noone has to play cap with net, the interceptor becomes useless too.
So I hope you think about these things once or twice before releasing a new version.

My input

Lorc_Da_Orc said:

Hey Immo,
I think you still have to ballance some things.
I like the idear of the cold arrows slowing but you should make it a % chance of slowing someone so that its not so overpowert.
Cause dominator with 2 or 3 cold arrows slows everyone too much.
And Seapunnishers naval call is still much too strong.
I somehow thing capsize is now useless cause these 2 ships are way too strong.
And if noone has to play cap with net, the interceptor becomes useless too.
So I hope you think about these things once or twice before releasing a new version.

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Well, I have to put my input here. . . I actually like the cold arrows/dom stacking slow, ive had it used against me many times, and with a silk sail its really not a problem. . . at all. . . As for ships balancing, I think you are just about perfect. . . but please for the love of god raise the price again on the vulcan. . . at this point I see noobs stay sailor with rockets till vulcan then go crus or dom and pwn the shit outta evreyone =.=. (I would reccomend bships crossfire's math scheme for weapons, IE: bigger weapons that do double the dps, but same range as a smaller weapon are 210% of the price or so) Currently the stats for vulcan vs laser is this 2laser=vulcan dps 1 vulcan = 15k, 2 lasers= 19k, Congratulations you have now oudated lasers, knuckles, and all melee apart from the vulcan . Well, apart from that and some base/shop graphics, im just bout fine. I like the new pirate items but the wood seems a little silly, unless it stacks with hulls?
Rating: 8.5/10

Some Bugs . . .

Oh, Immo, btw, you need to see me sometime so i can show you all the bugs ive found so far ><. I can host on the 13ns-divine-bot, so that way we can play together

Great map with huge replay value. Is also hosted online via bots periodically which is always a plus. New update brings great variety to the game and some more strategy. 5/5

You made way too many changes on the map. I can think of about 30 changes I dont like, and maybe less than 5 that I do. All the superships like the BR are overpowered, tele in a group of people and broadside, pot, broadside and u can get 5 kills fairly easy. I also hate the new layout, as you couldve fixed the problem very simply (as i told you before release) by not allowing a trader to have consumable teleports. I dislike the new frag graphic. The punisher went from nearly useless to completely useless. 98 was pretty well balanced except the trader glitch, but you changed the price on 20+ items unnecessarily. tower humping is now more feasible with the removal of tower and harbor regen. now you dont even have to touch the players, just suicide for towers every time. The icons of heavy/light warp phasers should not have been changed, as they were the same for the last several versions and now often cause people to buy the wrong item. Renaming of echo location was a bad change, imo. 2 second invuln. time now takes away key strategical phases of the game such as spawn capping and spawn freezing and spawn beaconing other dests. Games will now be prolonged because teams have an additional 2 seconds per person for free weapon fire at the end while the other team is in their base. The overlords freeze speed was fine and didn't need changed. The dom's EMP icon was fine and didnt need changed. No bounty on sea monster also encourages tower humping. Leaver gold at 50% will now almost surely make the team with a leaver lose instead of trying to balance it. You are now penalizing other people for one persons actions. The new trade contract is the most expensive before captives, and it is easier than either pigs (10) or boxes (25). making all superships 2 prices makes the game more mundane. It was way better to have 4 different things to shoot for. Board on the armada encourages short range weapons and even MORE tower humping. Suicide mission was fine in previous versions except the north trader bug. Now it does 1/2 the damage and costs twice the gold. Why would anyone ever do it? Increasing the cost of an item (replicator) by 2k is insane.. thats 50% increase. Why not increase it by 1,000 - 1,500? Making ships bought with shared control appear in same location now encourages glitching.

Maybe you can change most of this back and continue to produce good maps. This is like the 90-94 era. We need to get back to the good stuff.

-Ryan

Smallbug: You can buy from enemy street merchant in 1.199. And you get the message that you can't but you get the item.

5/5 for v1.20! Fine tuned balancing and gameplay achieved.

Excellent Map

This map is unique in that it is centered around an awesome theme (Battleships!), provides a simple system that requires excellent tactical and strategic decisions, and very cool animations and triggers.
For those who argue that the map doesn't take skill or that it's too easy, I'm calling you out. The skill required to have the perfect amount of positioning and placement in order to manipulate weapon ranges, avoid chasing enemies, and avoid enemy abilities is extremely high. If I'm not convincing you with that, feel free to come onto Clan OE@USEast and me and my buddies will take you on ;P.
I highly recommend this map to any lover of battleships, skill based or (twitch based) games. Visit our community at www.battleshipspro.com in order to find out about strategies, register for tournaments and leagues, and just to get to know some great mappers/players!

1.20? Aw hell yeah!

AmarK said:

This map is unique in that it is centered around an awesome theme
For those who argue that the map doesn't take skill or that it's too easy, I'm calling you out. The skill required to have the perfect amount of positioning and placement in order to manipulate weapon ranges, avoid chasing enemies, and avoid enemy abilities is extremely high.

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You know what's funny, is that people argue that it takes no skill because the weapons automatically fire, but units also automatically target enemys in any other map too, lol. And even then, you can tell your hero in any other AoS to single out and target specific units to kill them, while in games like battleships, you have to actually aim. People benefit from their ability to aim their weapons (or kite), by farming the most, getting the most hero kills, etc.

1.2 caused me to quit battleships for good. I don't play 1.187 because it's a map based around a single strategy. 1.189 wasnt bad, but too many glitches and people dont play it. 1.98 was good, but people dont play it, and 1.99 was tolerable... but unbalanced and only tolerable until 1.2 finally came out (hoping for an improved map). Your map appeals too much to pubs, because you seem to not have cared about using it as a pro-based map. People don't like it because you always feel the need to change things that don't need to be changed, and understand that change for the sake of change is not always a good thing. It's been over 6 months since I've played my last battleships game, and after 5 years of playing it, I don't plan on playing it any more. You've taken literally about every single thing that used to be fun out of it, and now it's just a shell of what once used to be a good fun map. You can remove my admin from the Battleshipspro forum, as I have no intention on wasting any more time or effort into helping with future battleships maps, as you rarely listen to (and actually consider) anyone elses opinions anyway.

Do take care in understanding that even though I do not like your maps, that doesn't mean I don't like you.

-Ryan

While I appreciate your critique, I should point out that the map is pretty much retired (as is the website and forum). Take care, and hopefully I'll see you in StarCraft 2!

9/10 get some more skills to the map that will definately make the map 10/10 BTW GJ!

Where can be guides and other stuff be found? I would like to read some, if it's possible.

I am going to build a all new Battleships map to replace this map to continue the legend.