10:50, 28th Jun 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Rejected
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Will do Gollum

Hey the pikeman's gotta halo above his head! lol

The archer looks like a bandit model but has a female sound set?

You got some problems with the aura attachment. Please fix.
Some are wearin the aura around there knees.

Thanks for feedback, we will fix it

Just keep all the screenshots in one hidden tag instead of one per image as it just makes the description look longer than it should be.

Ok so, great map, but, i would like to throw some technical infos at you guys;
Saxons were hardly tribal at this time, and were in england by now, im sure, especialy if the french, are french. The saxons would only still be in germany IF ; the romans were around, (hardly) and the french were Frankii's, (basicly post gallic french tribe)
the scots should be called the picts! At this time, they were picts!
england would have been more or less united in the time of the vikings, which is what attracted Harrold Haardraada of norway, And also William the Conqueror of Normandy, both, funnily, were vikings, especialy William.
Or am i missing something?
and yeah, the saxons need a more saxonish tech tree; for example
Houskarls, the saxon royal guards
etc
Good map though! Definately fun to play and most certainly can be replayable to a certain extent, 3/5, hope you find my comment useful

Put pathing on your castle or town halls and capitalize. But id give it a 3/5.

Thanks for the feedback Auron but we have based the map around the age of 600-700AD im not 100% sure as it standed in the old map description which is now gone.

The saxons are a whole new faction and therefore have very few models and a inaccurate tech tree, we will work on this however.

But do keep in mind its around 600-700AD not the 850-1100 Era and therefore the Saxons have a bit more tribal-ish tech tree. Saxons used to be french in the game but we really wanted to have some germanic tribe.

Will look into the name of Scotland,

Other Screenshots are not working..kindly fix it plz?

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6052/screenhunter05jan021840.jpg

No idea why it doesnt work Voltage, code is the same like all other screenshots :/

I think you'll find, the Saxons were in the German region, and were decendants of a german tribe. And trust me, the picts are scottish, being scottish im sure i know that much, i'll look into a name for the welsh too, the names a bit.. generic.

For historical refference, i think this page will help quite a bit, its just outside your timeline, but close enough.
http://cnx.org/content/m17865/latest/
oh and, check to see of that bridge between north/south englands working, last i checked it, you couldn't walk over the thing.

The bridge works Auron, but it might bug under certain occasions. I highly doubt this but it could still be possible if you are 100% it didnt work.

I have tried walking over it with several units and it works.

Nice, but remove the "no good maps" and put in "no maps" because there are none lol.
Size is a bit too big imo.

Ecrolls said:

Nice, but remove the "no good maps" and put in "no maps" because there are none lol.

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I dont get it?

Eldubs said:

I dont get it?

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Hurr, what i mean is that he ought to delete that part of the description as there have never been any maps based on the viking era. And this map is morbidly inaccurate and not that good anyway.

The map is a load of historical blasphemy, picts in ulster? Lol. And the Normans were not french and not norman at that time either, they were the Carolingian Empire, a mashup of german and latin peoples. The Angles at that time ruled only a tiny part of modern day england, not the whole of it. The map is trying to cover too much stuff that is beyond the creator's brain capacity. In my opinion, if you are going to go this deep into history, then do it right and not fuck it up.
Looky here = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Franks_expansion.gif
Good picture of frankish expansion right there

AuroN2 said:

Ok so, great map, but, i would like to throw some technical infos at you guys;
Saxons were hardly tribal at this time, and were in england by now, im sure, especialy if the french, are french. The saxons would only still be in germany IF ; the romans were around, (hardly) and the french were Frankii's, (basicly post gallic french tribe)

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The Saxons were two different tribes at this time, racially the same but ethnically not. Anglo-saxons and saxons, the latter remaining in germania and the previous evolving into something completely different. The german saxons were the majority, the rest were colonists who settled in england and assimilated local populations.
The French were to evolve from Frankii/Frankish ruling class and settlers, not post-gallic, although both eventually were soaked up as the Carolingians evolved into a latin culture as a result of their educational systems.

AuroN2 said:

the scots should be called the picts! At this time, they were picts!

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No they weren't! The scots were a set of gaels who came from the Hebrides and Ulster and colonised southwest Scotland, eventually coming to dominate and subdue native british and pictish cultures in what was to become what we define as Scotland. The picts mostly stayed in the north around this time, as various brythonic tribes were firmly rooted into south Scotland at that time.

AuroN2 said:

england would have been more or less united in the time of the vikings, which is what attracted Harrold Haardraada of norway, And also William the Conqueror of Normandy, both, funnily, were vikings, especialy William.

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England was united around the late 900s after an occupation by Norway.
Harold Hardrada was a norwegian and staked a claim to the throne of england, since Norwegians had dominated it sometime earlier. Normans wanted England since they claimed that William the Bastard was the named successor.
William was not a viking, but a frenchman, post-carolingian frenchman might i add. The Normans were not a lot different from other french sub-peoples at the time other than that they spoke a dialect with some scandinavian borrowings. William the Conqueror and his Normans were NOT anything like vikings. William and his Normans were more grasping greedy and corrupt than the vikings EVER were.

AuroN2 said:

Or am i missing something?
and yeah, the saxons need a more saxonish tech tree; for example
Houskarls, the saxon royal guards
etc

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Huscearls, not Houskarls, Huscearl meaning Houseman in English at that time, were not royal guards (fuck knows where you got that one from), but were retainers of the Ealdormenn, the Elders and effectively the ruling council of England. The Ealdormenn could refuse to crown a king, and could also elect their favourite man to be King, effectively why the Normans took excuse to invade England in the first place as the English would never willingly allow a Frenchman on the throne.

And trust me, the picts are scottish, being scottish im sure i know that much, i'll look into a name for the welsh too, the names a bit.. generic.

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Welsh is an old term thrown towards Brythonic speakers by English speakers, generally meant Foreigner in past times.
Cymry is the blanket term for all briton tribes which spoke some form of what is now called Welsh. There was around 15 Welsh-speaking kingdoms in post-roman Britain. These were cut down to around 6, the major ones being Powys, Gwynedd, and Dyfed, by territorial and cultural expansion of scottish and english factions by the 10th century. In the middle ages, that man who you would call hero, Wallace, when spoken with a thick rural doric accent, sounds like Welsh, and it certainly is, as Wallace came from Carrick, a Welshy-type area before the Gaels came.

Your mistakes just pile and pile up. Don't write information which is a load of shite. It pains me to even read that, and the fact that we are both scottish and you believe picts were scottish hurts me like a stab wound

Thanks for the feedback Ecrolls but we arent focusing 100% on historical accuracy but the gameplay itself.

I am sorry if the lack of inaccurate historical names and locations offended you, but we would rather concentrate to make a fun gameplay rather than making a 100% historical game and then try adapt it to have a good gameplay.
However i admire your historical knowledge and you seem to know far more than me.

Also i cant say for 100% wich age this map takes place in, it was written in the old uploads info but its gone, around 600-700 i think but not 100% sure.

Thanks for the feedback

I love the map it looks so good and the terrain is just awesome, i have a little complain which is that norway looks like a @ and sweden looks like a @ which makes it very vulgar.

I Think ecrolls is @ and that a good map doesnt need to be 100percentege accurate. If u dont lik maps u no has to comment and say it is bad and point out flaws cause it is very unnneesery

and why u tink all has to be correct, if u make map of sweden and u call stockholmare skåningar ten i can complain and say all u map just wrong? u just speak load of poo and i tink you should not, sorry about bad english im polish

6.YboixXx said:

I love the map it looks so good and the terrain is just awesome, i have a little complain which is that norway looks like a @ and sweden looks like a @ which makes it very vulgar.

I Think ecrolls is full of bshit and that a good map doesnt need to be 100percentege accurate. If u dont lik maps u no has to comment and say it is bad and point out flaws cause it is very unnneesery


@.

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Haha whatever, i have nothing to say except @

Ecrolls said:

No they weren't! The scots were a set of gaels who came from the Hebrides and Ulster and colonised southwest Scotland, eventually coming to dominate and subdue native british and pictish cultures in what was to become what we define as Scotland. The picts mostly stayed in the north around this time, as various brythonic tribes were firmly rooted into south Scotland at that time.

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I think you find that the scots ARE picts. Not Gaelic, the Gaelic peoples did colonise southern scotland, but they didn't subdue the cultures at all. I'll tell you why? THe picts and the scots Joined to make one single country named scotland, with picts being the majority, but thats waaaay after this. Jeese, and your telling ME to get my facts right, okay, i will do so. So a good portion of us scotsmen, are picts. Seeing as how the colonists didn't Reproduce fast enough to be the majority, seeing as how the picts had a few hundred years of expansion in the advantage. >.<

Ecrolls said:

Huscearls, not Houskarls, Huscearl meaning Houseman in English at that time, were not royal guards (fuck knows where you got that one from), but were retainers of the Ealdormenn, the Elders and effectively the ruling council of England. The Ealdormenn could refuse to crown a king, and could also elect their favourite man to be King, effectively why the Normans took excuse to invade England in the first place as the English would never willingly allow a Frenchman on the throne.

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HOUSEkarls, also translated to Houseman, its a common version of the Huscearl, which i use to great effect, mind you, i think theres like 4 other not-so-right translations as this one, but i like it better, so i use it.

Ecrolls said:

Welsh is an old term thrown towards Brythonic speakers by English speakers, generally meant Foreigner in past times.

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Well, that always works. i guess

Ecrolls said:

In the middle ages, that man who you would call hero, Wallace, when spoken with a thick rural doric accent, sounds like Welsh, and it certainly is, as Wallace came from Carrick, a Welshy-type area before the Gaels came.

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I wouldn't nescisarilly call him a hero, more like a Unhappy widow (or whatever ex-married males are) who didn't at all like the pome's, something he and i have in common. and like i said before, the gaels didn't take anything over, they just made colonies.

Ecrolls said:

Your mistakes just pile and pile up. Don't write information which is a load of shite. It pains me to even read that, and the fact that we are both scottish and you believe picts were scottish hurts me like a stab wound

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And yours pile up further. It pains me to think your actually scottish, and you don't know anything about us, AND our ancestors, and then go and use that comment to try and make me look like i haven't done my research.

Ecrolls said:

Huscearls, not Houskarls, Huscearl meaning Houseman in English at that time, were not royal guards (fuck knows where you got that one from), but were retainers of the Ealdormenn, the Elders and effectively the ruling council of England. The Ealdormenn could refuse to crown a king, and could also elect their favourite man to be King, effectively why the Normans took excuse to invade England in the first place as the English would never willingly allow a Frenchman on the throne.

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AuroN2 said:

HOUSEkarls, also translated to Houseman, its a common version of the Huscearl, which i use to great effect, mind you, i think theres like 4 other not-so-right translations as this one, but i like it better, so i use it.

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You are both wrong; it is called "Huskarl" or "Huskarlar" (pl), and is old norse for "house man" as AuroN said, however, they were neither rulers or royal guards, but a kind of personal body guard that people of greater wealth and importance would hire. I can certainly see how the term would be confused with royal guards however, since Knut the Great had a highly drilled body guard of huskarls in service at the time he ruled over britain (especially seing how his body guard was suspected to consist of over 3000 men).

As trivia i can telll that the word means exactly the same in todays swedish.



As for the author, i would still recommend you to take what they said to heart - it is hardly impossible to make the map fun and playable while still having a larger degree of historical correctness. For some people, it is this sense of accuracy that makes the map fun in the first place.

@Fingolfin

Ofcourse we note down all feedback and we do like to have a historicly accurate gameplay but we cant be 100% accurate or the game would become unbalanced, i mean would it really be fair for someone to be stuck on 5 tiles of land because of the need for 100% historical accuracy?

Ofcourse we will change the historical names accordingly but its a bit hard since were still uncertain which age this is set in and what historical european map website Adnan3 used when first making it.

Also, note that Saxons are fairly new, we will update them as much as possible and add models but were uncertain about the allowed map size for warcraft and were soon pushing 5MB

Thanks for the feedback all

Fingolfin speaks true, but don't read what we say, because we can be more wrong at translating things into our own words, then wikipedia (which i always use for refference, even if i don't actualy base my ideas off it.) and someone else report that post with the abusively modified quote, thats just taking it way too far.
The more reports, the more likely it is to be noticed, (i have moderated a few sites and i know how easy it is to overlook something.)
oh and, the bigger the filesize, usualy means more content, but also means less impatient players will actually have a chance to play, (for instance, a 5 minute download usualy makes... 3/4 people out of 8 leave a game.)

AuroN2 said:

Fingolfin speaks true, but don't read what we say, because we can be more wrong at translating things into our own words, then wikipedia (which i always use for refference, even if i don't actualy base my ideas off it.) and someone else report that post with the abusively modified quote, thats just taking it way too far.
The more reports, the more likely it is to be noticed, (i have moderated a few sites and i know how easy it is to overlook something.)

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I never read ANYTHING at all at the time of writing that. It is you who is being offensive because you are ignoring everything i wrote and only reading the end bit which is a result of me being frustrated with you. The scottish cultures weren't ever united before the 9th century. And if the picts and gaels were always one people, then you can remind me why we know nothing about the pictish culture or language despite there being several ogham inscription stones which clearly show a very different language to gaelic.
Old english writings (though usually not very periodic) always spell Huscearl as Huscearl.
Also, don't blame me for you being wrong. Just because i corrected everything you wrote doesn't make me guilty of any crimes. Noone will support your reporting anyway, its a waste of time, i only wrote what had to be wrote.
You are trying to make me flame you, and its almost succeeding, but i am going to ignore you now since this is making me very very annoyed.
There is so much more i could write about picts, scots, gaels, past and present since i love history, but it is sailing right over your head, and you will never care anyway.
Besides you are 15 and joined just this past few days, as it says on your profile, so anybody on here will be more credible than you. Snubbing people you dislike won't get you anywhere!

Fingolfin said:

You are both wrong; it is called "Huskarl" or "Huskarlar" (pl), and is old norse for "house man" as AuroN said, however, they were neither rulers or royal guards, but a kind of personal body guard that people of greater wealth and importance would hire. I can certainly see how the term would be confused with royal guards however, since Knut the Great had a highly drilled body guard of huskarls in service at the time he ruled over britain (especially seing how his body guard was suspected to consist of over 3000 men).

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All these things are very dependant on what language they spoke though, but the form is virtually identical and pronounciation only slightly identical, so it doesn't really matter.

Fingolfin said:

As for the author, i would still recommend you to take what they said to heart - it is hardly impossible to make the map fun and playable while still having a larger degree of historical correctness. For some people, it is this sense of accuracy that makes the map fun in the first place.

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I agree! I would find this impossible to enjoy if it had picts in germany for example. It is better to have a balance between mythology and fact, that way the historian types like me can enjoy while others will still enjoy it without being too confused

Ecrolls, according to you, what could be done to increase the historical accuracy?


All feedback is good feedback

Svenska_0rmen said:

Ecrolls, according to you, what could be done to increase the historical accuracy?


All feedback is good feedback

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Dumnomia was a post-roman kingdom which occupied Cornwall around that time period, so i suggest either moving the faction, or renaming it as "Bretons" or some such. Also, remove the imported building models as they take up a lot of KB and are pretty ugly and unnoticeable at the same time.
There is no real objective and you cant really capture anything. If it were me i would have added territory like in risk. You don't get any sense of power in the kingdoms in this, also, add more playable "nations" like in Rise of China, where you can select at the start.

Ecrolls said:

Dumnomia was a post-roman kingdom which occupied Cornwall around that time period, so i suggest either moving the faction, or renaming it as "Bretons" or some such. Also, remove the imported building models as they take up a lot of KB and are pretty ugly and unnoticeable at the same time.
There is no real objective and you cant really capture anything. If it were me i would have added territory like in risk. You don't get any sense of power in the kingdoms in this, also, add more playable "nations" like in Rise of China, where you can select at the start.

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We wanted an alternative gameplay diffrent from the generic capture cities and recieve income.

We wanted to make it feel more like a feudal kingdom where the lords send out their counts to collect taxes from various citys/towns rather than just having an automated income.

There is no real objective other than conquering the whole map which is the point.

Also we are quite content with most of our models and makes the game look better, it would be boring using the normal wc3 models.

Will look into the Domnonia thing.

Qoted from ecrolls]"I never read ANYTHING at all at the time of writing that. It is you who is being offensive because you are ignoring everything i wrote and only reading the end bit which is a result of me being frustrated with you. The scottish cultures weren't ever united before the 9th century. And if the picts and gaels were always one people, then you can remind me why we know nothing about the pictish culture or language despite there being several ogham inscription stones which clearly show a very different language to gaelic.
Old english writings (though usually not very periodic) always spell Huscearl as Huscearl.
Also, don't blame me for you being wrong. Just because i corrected everything you wrote doesn't make me guilty of any crimes. Noone will support your reporting anyway, its a waste of time, i only wrote what had to be wrote.
You are trying to make me flame you, and its almost succeeding, but i am going to ignore you now since this is making me very very annoyed.
There is so much more i could write about picts, scots, gaels, past and present since i love history, but it is sailing right over your head, and you will never care anyway.
Besides you are 15 and joined just this past few days, as it says on your profile, so anybody on here will be more credible than you. Snubbing people you dislike won't get you anywhere!"

so u say u no read? ten i say u dyslektik lol and ur histori is bäd and u shud red sum buuks cuz u obvisly got all wreng![Qoted from ecrolls

i tink u shud stop comment becuz u make all wrong.

and u schmell.

tell mi wer u get facs? Sorri for bad english i polish
//6.yBoixXx

Ironside, If you did not notice theres an alternate way to getting gold, please try the map again and click on a town and buy your gold, called taxing. Please Rerate because this map IS unique and doesn't deserve such a harsh rejection.
That is if they wish to Re-post the map of course.

I think it's kinda silly that Vikings can't make towers.

I like this map though. Played with HonorisCreed. Lots of strategy involved.