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But none of these democratic ideas he ever used -- he only used it as propaganda to overthrow KMT. Liu Shaoqi just simply said he did a mistake and Mao was deeply offended... around a few years later, he made Cultural Revolution and incited many people to hit and denounce Liu Shaoqi who done nothing wrong

(there are two Chinas in the world don't forget) Yes, women gained equality but the KMT also granted the same thing too. But still, many girls were fooled or forced into prostitutes for the highest officials; and Mao is a power-hungry man of lies anyway.

"Improve literacy rates"? No, no, you never improve literacy rate like that. If so, then why did Authentic (Traditional) Chinese get used for many, many centuries? Look at Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and Kinmen; all of them literate. But in mainland? Those many in the poor areas doesn't even have the chance to go to school. So it's more of the government's problem than the script's problem,

And yea, many Chinese doesn't know that because of the Great Firewall of Communism. But nowadays, more and more Chinese are awakening and there's a rise of KMT and ROC fans, at least in the Internet.

Capitalism is better than Communism, yes. We have freedom but the freedom is a little too wild and unchecked. Pure capitalism don't work just like communism. Socialism takes care of people's welfare while not taking away the rights to choose from the individual (excluding high taxes, but you get many welfare benefits anyway)

Yep, they must have known Democracy. I Hope CCP will soon embrace Democracy.
But, Socialism takes away the liberty to decide how you wish to spend your money; it presupposes you are not clever to use your money. Your income must be yours as you wish. Now it is the government’s
Pretend someone wishes to spend their earnings on food, clothing, shelter, music, and alcohol—from highest order to lowest. Under a socialist regime, this may be impossible. After taxes, the individual may only be able to afford food, clothing, and shelter—while being provided with government transportation, health-care, and a public park—all of which they may or may not care about.

Yep, but for some Countries Like The United States, that "Freedom" they get makes they Hardworking, and diligent, because they know they will be in competition with another people. So, many good product made.
In some country that doesn't even know what Capitalism is, it's bad. They may wrongly use the freedom they get. So yes.

Nah, don't put your hopes on CCP, at least before Xi Jinping. They only did economic reform while refusing to go democratic. They want to remain in power and wealth forever. Things might get better after Xi Jinping takes control, tho. The CCP will very likely be finished in this year, and China will finally be democratic and free!

Ehh, looks like I used the wrong term (but still, notice how I said "not taking away the rights to choose"). What I meant was Centrism, like in those welfare countries such as Denmark and Sweden (?); where you would still get social welfare benefits while also retaining moderate economic freedom.

Yes, I know Capitalism motivates people and technology, but then some greedy companies could monopolize the entire market.

Still, it is not known whether to really trust Xi Jinping and China becomes Democracy.
Even now, China conflicts with the countries of Southeast Asia, though I agree that they should keep the Americans from their too much control of the sea and "stalking" agendas. What they are doing at building manmade islands at reefs threatens the environment.

Sadly, as long as the CCP stands those kind of things will always happen. Look at Mainland China itself, especially around Peiping (so-called "Beijing"). It was used to be a lush greenery and a fresh place, now? A desert full of depressing gray towers and haze!

XI Jinping is at least working hard to remove Jiang Zemin's influence (that ugly toad who picks his nose publicly, touches Mozart's sacred piano, and was infamously known for "Too young, too simple, sometimes naive") and hopefully one day dissolve the damn CCP from existence.

There are a few prophecies about this, but sadly most of them are in Chinese...

P.S. @Edge45, look at the drastic differences,

(Second) Republican Era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGhfakG0_CU

Communist Era:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=616&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=beijing+haze&oq=beijing+haze&gs_l=img.3..0j0i7i30k1j0i24k1l8.2527.2686.0.3256.2.2.0.0.0.0.82.82.1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.img..1.1.81.U3hYGA4PZUQ

Actually I can't see any video, but I can tell the difference. Which is why I trust (partially) the Chinese more than the Americans. But what I'm actually saying is not to get your hopes too up.

Used to be in Philippines. A 'certain' president won an election, and actually caught the many hopes of many Filipinos and their beliefs. He may have lead the country into its golden age, it would have been the same with Taiwan or Singapore, having more economy and literacy. If not for his dictatorship, and his lies. Those suffering was passed unto the future, and the country weakens. Atleast today, it recovers, but slowly.
If people believe too much in one individual, he will attain power.

Hmm... reminds me of 'certain someone' in Germany...
Yes, sometimes in chaotic situations like that, you had to harden up and enforce your rules. Like that 'certain' president of the Philippines and also Chiang Kai-shek too after he lost much of the mainland. Sure, Chiang Kai-shek maybe caused White Terror and enforced his dictatorship, but without that, Taiwan would be wrecked and ruined by some certain bandits in red.

P.S. Edge45, do you need me to take some screenies for you? Oh, is it because censorship?

Here it is, the pictures of Peiping during the Nationalist Era: https://www.google.com/search?q=peking+1947&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=616&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT2_Om36DSAhWKQI8KHUf_BlEQ_AUIBigB

(only look at the first few pictures, the rest are not "on-topic")

Is Xi Jinping actually working his way out of CCP?
...to bad, but If CCP collapse, so is the entire Mainland China. Because CCP has so much member.

Speculations and predictions say so. He endured the, you know, going to the villages and forced to be a farmer during the Cultural Revolution. There were many other subtle and unnoticable things about Xi Jinping that tells him apart from the other CCP leaders, such as how he treated North Korea and Hong Kong. (Hong Kong's president (?) was de facto chosen by CCP before XI Jinping, now suddenly things became different in HK)

No, actually a lot of mainlanders weren't CCP members, in fact even some of those used to be CCP members quited the CCP too (Tuidang movement). Quite many fans of ROC and KMT in mainland China too.

Collapse, not in the way of revolution but like what happened in the Soviet Union. Did you see entire Russia collapse after 1991? How about East Germany after the wall collapsed? No, right?

And even if it was to collapse, hopefully the ROC in Taiwan steps in and assumes control (not so likely) -- or someone great like Sun Yat-sen and Chiang Kai-shek shows up again.

He is a nice leader. Even some one said that if Things going right, China may Beat USA in terms of economy next 4 years.

I think that because Obama too. He successfully negotiate with Xi, their relation become so close, until Xi support the Sanctions on China's Bestest Buddy, North Korea.

Really? I think mainlanders are proud with their Socialism culture?
Yes, even now PRC is gradually moving toward democracy. In the Future, I believe ROC - PRC could achieve a successful reunification.

P.S : i also hope China stop hating us!

"Bestest Buddy"? NK is more like a spoiled brat who don't know gratitude.

Not all mainlanders, especially not a population of over 1.3 billion (?), shares the same brain you know? Those who actually hate CCP are many, and their numbers kept increasing. There was even a few professors and teachers who criticized Mao and CCP, as well as telling the true history. One of the professors got harassed by CCP gangsters after he talked bad about Mao online.

Yes, but that's only possible if Jiang Zemin and Mao Tse-tung's influence wane. PRC needs to surrender itself to legitimate ROC.

P.S. no, dude, you got it wrong. It's not China -- those mindless haters are Maoists. (P.P.S. actually Communism rejects patriotism and nationalism. Remember how I told you about Mao Tse-tung? He's such a traitor)

I don't know, but most people i met in China respects Mao. But yes, they also remeber suffering during his tutelage.

Yep. If not because of China, NK would be overran by US in the matter of days. Even after some time NK ask China for invading south, but Mao reject
(And I don't know why the NK hate us Japanese, we don't even have any history of war with NK, a weird thing?)

I think that is impossible. PRC will keep growing like crazy. I think PRC and ROC should discuss things about their reunification.

Yep, if only Chiang Kai-Shek win the civil war, China will side with U.S, the Korean War will result destruction of North Korea and even Soviet's earlier fall >

Well, Mao used Korean War both to finish off former KMT troops fooled to surrender, and also to acquire technology from Soviet Union. Do you know about the "Freedom Day" that is January 23 (Chinese and Koreans call it "123 Day")?

That's the day when many captured people from the "Volunteer" Army chose to be sent to ROC and that was the day when these people arrived at Taiwan.

Yep, PRC sure grows, but at the cost of many. The people's livelihood, for example. Don't look at all those fancy towers and stuffs, look at the GDP per capital and its growth. It's slow and pitifully small! Many people nowadays are fed up with CCP and hope one day they fall.

NK needed to put some people to be blames and hated so people won't care so much about NK regime itself. They saw Korean War, they knew Japanese occupied Korea 1910-1945, so NK just found "legit" figures to put all the blames on. "Famine? Americans and Japanese did it! Flood? Must be the Americans!"

(damn character limit...)

Yeah, if Chiang won the civil war, things would be so much better... unfortunately he was kind of blurry during that time, and US don't support him. Oh, and if Chiang won civil war, maybe Korean War won't happen -- because Stalin wanted Mao's support before anything.

P.S. try to think about it -- why does PRC put embargo on NK a few days after Kim Jong-nam's death?

I see. So actually they want to rebel like 1989, but they must hold it? Oh, yes, Mao and Stalin cooperate before the war.

And don't forget : HUGE population Growth! That's why China can't beat U.S lol

However though, I'm pretty sure that North Korean government will Collapse. I hope the people there quickly rebelled and kill Off the Kim Dynasty. I've fed up with those threat from North Korea.

Because some time ago, North Korea Test a missile again that landed in Sea of Japan. This made PRC very angry so they stop coal trade from NK.
Shinzo Abe himself have said that, We people must keep alert. And be ready to evacuate anytime if there was a Nuke landed

Some cases showing crowds of angry people pushing police cars over, and also I remember I had read a news. About a village that has been surrounded by CCP troops, food supply and communications cut, dunno exactly why, maybe CCP wants the land but the villagers refused to leave?

Nuke? From North Korea? (laughs)
Don't worry, that thing wouldn't happen -- it's just little spoiled brat Kim Jong Un talking big again. He's only a little boy who did nothing useful to anyone and anything aside from torturing his own people and also at times entertaining us outsiders.

Maybe they have some secret motives? Or they are searching something on the Village?

Haha, well, I hope so too...
I hope his people could someday rebels and over throw him... do you think they can do it?