Solu9

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There are a lot of ifs and buts when comparing join date and post count to a user's age. That's why I find it presumptuous to bring that on the table. I bet I'm in the higher age range of the users here even though I only "recently" joined.
Bringing age into anything when it comes to internet communication is a quick and easy way to start a war on words. Often including the phrases; "shut up kid", "isn't it past your bedtime?" and "your mama".
Anyway. That's the reason why I try to avoid bringing up age in any event, jolly or grave. It always ends bad at some point.
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Excellent point; and another reason I'm glad I never do stuff like that. : )

That being said, your point is taken & also indicates that I did a poor job of research; going off of just the Join Date is, you're right, dumb. I try and go off of join date, reputation, posts, threads, all that stuff... But I didn't take the time to do so for this whole shebang, unfortunately. Definitely my bad.


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By the way. This; "older peeps are usually older", taken out of context, is pretty lol ^^
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Lawl, can't believe I typed that... Way-to-proofread, self. xD


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I think you chose the right answer here. Whether or not it's actually true I can, and will probably, never find out. But I'll accept it as true.
My concern is based on the fact (relative to the eyes reading of course), that you brought some form of intelligence undermining into the discussion.
Let's leave it. It doesn't matter anymore.
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Fair enough.


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You did a great job fencing that off however.
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Lol, I appreciate that.

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It may be true that the actual meaning escaped me. Though it eludes me why you bring "age" into the matter then. It seems to be an unnecessary addition unless your opinion of a person is based on the join date or amount of posts.
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Eh, I suppose. I will admit to that particular flaw; if I don't know anything about a person, the Join Date (among other things) gives me a place to start; newer peeps are usually younger, less experienced or mature, and older peeps are usually older, more experienced or mature. It's not always right (especially the former; some people just join late in life, or have above-average maturity), but the Join Date and some of their recent Posts/Threads gives me a taste.

Amount of Posts is a tricky one; someone with a lot of posts can be a really helpful, talkative guy... Or a noise spamming idiot, like me xD (my Wc3C profile is a good example of that). Someone once said "Awexomeness = Reputation / Posts". I fail pretty hard at that test.


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Furthermore. You felt a greater need to explain. May I ask why?
Your greater explanation needs leads me to this sentence in your conversation with Trax:

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For you, that level of "explanation" probably did sound incredibly presumptuous or condescending; again, I apologize.
Epecially the "for you" catches my eye. How is it supposed to be understood then? If it's for him then it must mean it's not for me, which, as I see it, can only lead to the conclusion that a higher level of explanation must be used when talking to me.
Or does the discussion about my avatar contra his require a better explanation?
It may have been a less-than-thoughtful VM but the matter of the subject is the same, issue with an avatar.
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I suppose I would have to go with that; that the "discussion about [his] avatar contra [mine] require a better explanation". I'm not quite sure why. To be honest, if not for that, there may be no satisfactory reason. I suppose in trying to ameliorate things, I accepted that my statement could be construed as condescending or presumptuous. I'm not sure that I believe it was, but if it was received as such, then I was/am honestly sorry for that misunderstanding.

If you didn't see it as such, then there's no reason to beat myself up about it. : )


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Pure coincidence. I was looking at your profile for some reason and the conversation between the two of you caught my eye.
Traxamillion has a special spot in my hive life, which only a few people know of. Even though we have never uttered a word to each other.
It does indeed not make me feel better. But seeing how your conversation evolved I felt a need to voice my opinion as I felt I took a bullet. Which I, for the time being, still feel.
Don't worry. From what I have seen, lurking the forums, I would not deem you inflammatory in any way.
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Huh. Well, who am I to get in the way of a beautiful friendship? : )

That being the case, I'm not sure I understand the phrase "felt I took a bullet"; is that a euphemism for "feeling as though you have been (metaphorically) shot at (i.e. verbally assaulted)"?

Thank you, I appreciate that concession. : )

Don't worry Was just kidding
I do enjoy the drama, though as I wrote, I do encourage freedom, hence why I encourage you in the first place
The "change-it-for-more-drama" part was a joke :>

Yea, sadly :X
May need something new to brew up new drama

You know... I saw that they are re-starting Dallas series on TV, I was thinking about watching it for the hell of it, but then I realized - I love the drama here a lot more

And it still goes on lol

Thanks for commenting. So after receiving lots of PM I decided that it's best to re-enable the VM system. I guess you were right

I'm gonna get some complaints about that, but whatever...

Lol ok, will change when I've free time and good pic lol..

u know, it kind of irritates me... What if I had a avatar of straight people kissing would that look nice to you? ...

I suppose this is why PM's were invented... Nonetheless,

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It feels great that you were so kind to explain it to me (or Forsaken for that matter) as I am younger (assumption) than you. Apparently I cannot understand a message unless it is explained in details.
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I apologize if you were offended, but I can assure you that I meant no offense. First of all, when I said "younger", I was referring solely to your join date, *not* your biological/chronological/actual age. You're right, to assume such would be a poor assumption; in all likelihood you are older than me (I'd offer to 'trade ages' to see as I'm curious, but I'm not sure you would trust me at this point. :<...). In terms of "join date" you are, indeed, "younger" than me. That is all I meant.

Moreover, you appear to have read (in my message to another person) the phrase "and" as meaning that the two statements were meant to be understood together. Though that is common, that is not what I intended:


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... and then to Solu9 (not exactly 'new' but younger than me, and I felt a greater need to explain). ...
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Regardless of your age ('actual' or 'join date'), I felt a greater need to explain. The second clause was meant to be independent of the former; since both were true, I used 'and'.

Anyway, not trying to teach a grammar lesson, but you appeared to have confused my meaning.



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It also feels great that my understanding level is lower than Traxamillion's (not directed at you Trax). Thank you for throwing that label on me.
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Unless you feel Traxamillion has a lower-than-average 'level of understanding', I'm not sure how this could be construed as an insult.

And really, I wasn't trying to make any comment as to anyone's intelligence; merely assuaging Traxamillion's concern from my less-than-thoughtful VM.



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Seeing that is the case I didn't find your post condescending, but educational and eye opening. Right.
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I see you have resorted to sarcasm. This is unfortunate, as I am trying to do my best to mitigate what harm I've caused.

I cannot help but feel that you are seeking for offense, because not only did I not intend it, but you went looking in other conversations of mine to find it. Is there another explanation for your actions? Because if it makes you feel any better, I consider this whole issue a great personal failing; I have always done my best to maintain a civil attitude & reasoned discourse on the Internet, and have been gratified in my ability to avoid conflict with people.

This most recent issue has tested that, unfortunately showing me I still have some things to learn. However, I would still consider myself one of the least 'inflammatory' people you could find here; I use (relatively) good spelling & grammar, I will not curse you out with foul language, or degenerate into hateful (racist, sexist, etc) slurs or name-calling. I refuse to invoke many of the popular logical fallacies (at least the ones I'm familiar with; ad hominem and strawman and the like), and I refuse to just yell my opinion as fact and then ignore the rest. Moreover, as you can see from my conversation with Traxamillion (assuming you read the rest), I have made every endeavor to rectify things when I have done someone wrong.

I do not mean you ill will. I do not wish to be your enemy. In terms of your avatar, I do wish to see such inappropriate gestures minimized or removed, yet I would derive no pleasure in depriving you of it.

I hope I have been clear. I look forward to your response.

Respectfully,

Kyrbi0

Woah, that looks awesome
Is that golem yours?

thank for for your post. on the shout box topic. Not one person would explain.

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(Post) thanks.

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(Post) Damn right.

Can you just please be nice and change your avatar ?

yeah don't worry I respect you....

dude not to offense but your avatar always caught my eyes.. I don't mean to hurt you but will you change it to man and girl kissing?

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First of all. The average user don't give flying rat about how the optimizer work. They just notice that it does the job they want to have done.
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WTF? that was hilarious

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Ehm.
You guys realize the age of this thread right?
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O oh! damn...........well, removed nonetheless.

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(Post) Haha, if i only "had" an account number

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(Post) for the flying rats^^

Quite true, I know Forsaken, he's just having a fetish, nothing more He likes bad girls^^
Also, I prefer to remain neutral about the whole avatar thingy but sometimes seeing the replies makes me wanna go nuts:/

Yep, I mean it's not porn or soft porn in there. Dunno why they react like that. Also he posted on Forsaken's wall too about his Gaga avatars. You know Forsaken's avatars and signatures.

Man, that avatar stirs up some people around, I also thought that Kyrbi0 would understand it:/

(Wait, "discuss the matter" of my 'enlightenment', or "discuss the matter" of your avatar and the appropriateness thereof?)

It is painful to see someone writing off a possibility (such as reconciliation) without at least giving it a try. But so be it.

I fail to see in what way I am 'less' "enlightened". Are you indicating that it is not "enlightenment" to have certain standards of conduct & presentation?

Please don't give up on this here; I'm willing to have a rational discourse about this. Moreover, since I have come to you, and others have already as well, our only recourse next is to work with the administration.

After talking to some people about this, I figured I should 'put my money where my mouth is'...

Solu9, I know I'm not the first to say so, but could you please consider changing your Avatar? It's inappropriate, seeing two men kissing like that (primarily due to the depth of the passion evidenced in the kiss, and the lack of clothing apparent on the bodies, but yes, also due to the depiction of a homosexual act). However, to be honest, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with a hetero couple kissing like that on an avatar here at THW.

This isn't about hate or intolerance. It's simply a matter of rules & standards. I have done the same thing for many other people (most recently Forsaken, and his weren't even hetero-/homo-sexual, simply sensual/suggestive women), asking them to change an avatar/signature that I felt didn't fit them or this site.

In a second question, I must ask "why?"; why do you have an avatar like that? Do you not know that the Avatar is, in a very literal sense, your "face" in the community? Many people choose images that are 'cool', or 'funny' or 'awexome' or 'thought-provoking' or 'indicative of their nature/qualities'. Does this avatar serve as a manifestation of you, an accurate representation?

//EDIT// Thank you for the thoughtful comment on my constructive comments. I try to give at least a few thoughts about models I like or think could be better with a little help. : )

@Nichilus
this not about sexual orientation but this right


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No pornographic/sexual/vulgar/obscene content
This is not that kind of site. Any topic should be family friendly.
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or do you ever seen a normal forum community where have that rule above still exist this kinda of avatar (even hetero or homo, not really different after rules)

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(Post) my thoughts exactly lol

Hello there rough jewel How's the day for you?

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(Post) +4 Thanks

Also lol, the thread just got deleted or moved to somewhere private

Seems many people have problems with your avatar and QQ here.
Truth be told, majority of people doesn't give a damn about your avatar, so they don't even write here - why should they, right? Nothing interesting going on anyway.

In light of how many misinterpret the lack of positive answers to your avatar as "people disliking your avatar", I give you my blessing to use this avatar and many similar as much as you want. I hope this lessens the misinterpretation at least a bit.

Alright.

Pls don't go off-topic in the icon section again.

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(Post) Indeed.

Ignoring them is the optimal thing. If you find them offensive, yes, report them.

Also you, can you stop replying to people addressing your avatar? It's getting tiresome. You only stir up additional fuss.

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(Post) It was of big help! I'm a noob and I don't know a shit about triggering...

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(Post) lol i was gonna suggest the same model, then I forgot about it and closed the tabs x)

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(Post) You're my favorite Hive's member

That is soft porn imo... Should I concern admins about this?

As I saw on your profile, enough people are annoyed by your avatar.
Is it nice for you to ignore so many people?
I mean we are compelled to feature the support that kind of avatar here on Hive? There's nothing aesthetically, nothing epic, nothing sweet, nothing badass, is something rather vulgar that makes you think about what's next after this lustful kiss, reminiscent of something cheap and for sale, looks more like an advertisement for porn and other like that...
I'm surprised that no administrator/moderator has not yet taken position for that.
I think the use of such avatars spoil the image of the site, this is a Warcraft site.
Out of respect for other users you should change it (and not just you).
In THW i met all kinds of avatars, but that kind are "sick" in the bad sense of the word.
I don't want to offend anyone, but I think people that are OK with themselves and with their sexuality doesn't make use of such avatars, only people frustrated with various problems. Imo, they need help, but they wont find any on this site, because THW doesn't offers such services.
I know it's possible to be banned for this, but I didn't wrote it with the intention to offend, but with the hope that someone will hear our opinions, the opinions of the regular users of this site.
Sorry for bad English.

From the rules:

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No pornographic/sexual/vulgar/obscene content
This is not that kind of site. Any topic should be family friendly.
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So, can I kindly ask you to change your soft gay porn avatar?

Oh my god ,D laughing my eyes out of my head ;D Thx for the link

This time I noticed your signature, how CUTE is that?

Where did you find that? (made it yourself?)

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(Post) I've forgot to +REP you for this post, sorry

The irony of that sig

Yeah I were snooping around a bit before as well to no avail.

Seems like I should be working with raw Jass and then come back, but I imagine there wouldn't be much of a point for custom scripts by that time either way

Maybe, a unit enters a region allow me to use GetTriggerUnit() though so I don't think so :3

Actually you don't happen to know where I can read up on variables with custom script? Tried some normal jass tutorial but I'd fall asleep reading all the lines ._.

Yeah well you wouldn't think that a unit morph(ish) would be create unit instead and my 'clever' ideas were only so clever...

Speaking of which, it isn't really fixed yet either :3