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Brambleclaw
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Brambleclaw

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    1. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      I think the main issue here. Is your trying to justify a counter argument here using science, when my argument disregards science, and dissproves it as a construct.
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      How can you argue against science when you disregard it? Also, I have yet to see you actually disprove anything.


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      Say we had 1000 people 970 say its red 30 say its green, then 30 people are in a different section of this Human level.
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      Say what now? You really believe the reason some people see green are because they have different brains or different levels of thought? Seriously....

      The fact some people see green is because their eyes see green. Why? Damage to the eye perhaps. The eye didn't grow correctly while in the womb. They were unlucky enough to get the gene which gives colourblindness (again, it's the eye, and many carry the gene without being colourblind btw). It certainly is not their brains fault.
    2. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Those who are marked insane, are at the edge of this level.
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      Insanity has everything to do with the brain, yes, but not entirely due to evolution. Some people are raised to be insane (obviously not intentionally, but not everyone are fit to be parents).


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      I repeat my arguments not out of desperation, but are rewording them as your avoiding the points my argument states, then try to reword my words into sounding nonsense.
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      The desperation part was aimed at the fact that instead of proving why I'm wrong, you instead chose to attack me by saying I cannot grasp the idea you're trying to convey (i.e, I'm dumb and you're superior). That is a very poor argument and often an act of desperation.

      Also, at no point did I reword what you said into something. I quoted what you said, and then pointed at the flaws. That is what one does when having an argument.
    3. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Actually the mind Does create a matrix to replicate the real world. I'm sure if you searched up about sight and the Brain way of thinking that you would realise this.

      This is why we have depth perception and can solve spatial problems.
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      Actually, I did take the liberty of double-checking, and I have again concluded the same thing. Our ability to perceive depths are caused by our binocular vision (stereopsis) and stereoscopic vision as I had always thought. No matrices are involved. The brain uses the inputs from both eyes (which is quite poor really) and then visual assumption comes into place. The visual system tries to fill in the missing pieces as part of the unconscious inference, which is, by the way, the reason for why some people see that which isn't there. As part of this solving the brain primarily sees contours and this is partially of how we solve spatial problems (stereopsis is another important piece in this). This is also why the gillie suit works so well.
    4. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      According to "Science" this world is 3d. And a 3d world contains 2d worlds and 1d worlds. But as i pointed out Science is based on logic which is actually a variable.
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      You have yet to actually counter my argument that logic isn't a variable and prove that it is.


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      So since that argument isn't flawed.

      it leaves the idea that we only percieve a 3d world
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      Actually it is flawed if you just look at my previous arguments.


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      Yeh you're not understanding.
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      Oh look! It's back!
    5. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      People of the same abillity will observe things in the same way.

      If i see Bob get hit by a bus.
      He's will also observe himself being hit by a bus.
      So your argument is non valid.
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      I'm now going to take the liberty of using your argumentation: You clearly do not understand what I mean. "Not every human view things the same way." Does NOT mean everyone perceives everything entirely differently. How you managed to twist my argument into that is beyond me. My argument is not any less valid.


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      So no you cannot say that we see things differently. We just take things in differently.
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      I assume "see things" mean what our eyes see and "take things" it what our brain sees? If that's the case, then you're only partially right. Our eyes see things differently too. If you look at previous arguments you will realize this.
    6. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      You obviously can't grasp the point of my argument.
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      This kind of argumentation should be left for the politicians as it is of no use in a real discussion. There's always the possibility it's the other way around.


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      By "Our perception" i refer to the construct of the Human Mind, so therefore this will be the same for every person in a basis
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      Already here you are wrong. Not every human view things the same way. In fact, closing one eye makes you react differently to many things, so one human will not even agree with him or herself about his/her observations and how to interpret it.

      Also, the mind doesn't create a matrix to replicate the real world, and what we see is 3D, due to the very nature of what 3D actually means.
    7. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      My point is Logic is a Variable, depending on the concious of which it is being viewed.
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      Logic is only variable in the sense that some people will perceive something that is false as true, but that doesn't mean it is true, it merely means the person does not understand logic.

      If your argument actually is logically correct there are a number of things that should turn out to be true as a consequence of that. For example, 3=2 can be true in some cases. However, logic is a concept made by man and it isn't supposed to be variable. The statement 3=2 will be false at all times due to the rules we have made up. If logic was variable there would be absolutely no use for it, would there?


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      The logic we apply in our own mind is what we think is true, but may not be, but it crafts our perception of our world.
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      You're confusing logic with beliefs.
    8. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Again i may have to repeat my points here since you don't seem to understand them.
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      Oh look here, it's THAT argument again. You know, at school we were taught that when your opponent starts with these arguments it's a sign of desperation and that he or she is not able to come up with good arguments and thus tries to attack you instead.


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      I.E For a Electrical Themometer, we would say put it in a liquid we believe that we know is at a certain temprature, and then check the results given to the results we have.

      So my point here is no in micro but macro.
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      Sorry, but it's impossible to understand what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that, for example, we believe a liquid has a certain temperature and then we check it with a thermometer anyway, and that if it says something we do not expect we say the thermometer is wrong? That doesn't make sense at all. Also, you know micro means at the atom level, right?
    9. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Basically the whole human race has a perception grafted from the way our mind have evolved into a Homosapian. This is why we will always believe as far as a human can or a Human created equipment can, go into the Human Perception. Where each time we become more exact and discover more things, our Human Perception is refined and become more accurate to what we percieve===Effectively we are continuing the craft of our perception without aid of evolution of us, but instead the evolution of our technology.
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      I'm not quite getting what you're saying here. The only sentence I really think I understand is the last one, but it's incorrect to think of our perception, and the acquisition of datapoints that are supplied to us by our unbiased equipment as the same thing. We are trying to replace the need for our own perception with this new technology.
    10. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Cross referencing and idea transferral means average and anomalies Etc etc
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      No, we do not average the results. When we do many tests we don't just average the results and publish it saying "Here it is!". We find patterns buried in the data and we also try to find out why we get data that is deviating from the rest.

      Say you have 1000 people all looking at a large piece of coloured paper. Perhaps 30 of the people will say it's green, while the remaining 970 say it's red. When we are then going to write down what colour the paper has we do not average the results, as that would mean the paper would neither be green nor red. We write down the results, but we do not publish it yet. Now we try to find out why 30 people said it's green. Once we find out the answer is (in this case) that some people are in fact colour blind we can then publish our findings.
    11. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      So all of this is done just for accuracy and Precision of data, which removes any errors, so that human perception is again refined.
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      We do not refine our own perception. We try to circumvent the problems with human error.


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      Empircal observations for Humans are limited to the Human way of observation.
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      No it isn't. Single observations are. Empirical observation isn't.
    12. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      NOTE: Due to the character limit this has been spread over 5 VMs.


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      We cannot trust our observations, and Science is based of our Empircal observations.
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      You have to understand that not everyone observes things wrong. Some might observe something wrong, and that's why science is based on empirical observation, and not just the observation of a few people. That is how we avoid the problem of human error. When a theory is published as a scientific article it means it has already gone through thousands of tests by thousands of scientists all over the world, and they all came to the same conclusion.


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      We create equipment which views things in ones own eye
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      You acted as if you knew so much about the human eye and all that in a previous post, but you don't seem to realize that the equipment we make, are not human eyes.
    13. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      If it shows something different to what we expect or out of focus on a test run where we know the answer from previous test runs in our view which have given certain results then equipment will be calibrated to our perception and is therefore wrong.
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      This sentence lacks a lot of commas, but I'll try to guess what you mean. I assume the point you're trying to make, is that if we get a different result than what we got in a previous test, then we adjust the equipment until we get the same results. That is not how it's done. Scientists love getting contradicting results. They don't assume immediately that this new result is wrong, no, they try to find out why they got this new result. Also, if they had that attitude why would they even do another test when they already "knew" the answer? Doesn't make much sense, does it?
    14. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      We invent high tech equipment to measure things. We invent them in our perception.
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      You already said this above, and my response to this is the same.


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      so thus in this form we have therefore recieved data in our perception recorded in our perception with equpiment created in our perception. So what do we have> A more accurate perception of a human....
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      Seeing how this requires your previous argument to be true, which it's not, then this is also false. Logic is a bitch, ain't it?


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      I would argue that a belief is simply something that is believed to be true but is not proven to be true.
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      That is almost was it is. A belief is an assumption, assumed without reason (no evidence, nothing to back it up), and defended against all reason to the contrary (evidence that contradicts the belief is either ignored or assumed to be incorrect).
    15. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Science is believed to be true
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      No. To believe something is true would imply a belief in it. Science is not assumed to be true without reason.


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      we put our faith in science
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      No. Faith goes under the same definition as belief.


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      there is no evidence that is reliable to say that Science is the truth
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      There is tons of evidence that supports the scientific theories that science is based upon. Yes, we know that not absolutely everything science says is true for everything under all conditions. In science we have something called "Scope of validity". That means that every theory has a known set of conditions under which we know it to be true, and this scope of validity is then expanded all the time as new tests are conducted until we find the limit. When the limit is reached we try to come up with new theories that can be used under the conditions in which the previous theory failed.
      [...]
    16. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Lets take an example: As you might know, gravity is "only a theory", and it has a certain scope of validity. Now, this theory has been tested quite a lot under many conditions, and we know it works in the macro world, but you cannot use the same theory in the micro world. For that you need quantum theory.


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      Therefore you can treat it as a religion.
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      And again logic is a bitch.
    17. Magtheridon96
      Magtheridon96
      OH hi!
      Emphasis on the exclamation mark :ogre_hurrhurr:
    18. -Derp-
      -Derp-
      Heh, essays are never fun. I know how that feels. ^^

      I sadly didn't draw Derpy, I wish I did. I have no artistic ability what so ever. :D


      The Toothless avatar, ah, How to Train your Dragon was pretty awesome, heck, I watched it over Inception.
    19. -Derp-
      -Derp-
      Eh, still alive and kicking.

      How 'bout you?
    20. Mr. Bob
      Mr. Bob
      Hugs and kisses.
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