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Brambleclaw
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Brambleclaw

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    1. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      Your trolling was fun until this point.
    2. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      Not everything is science, and they did not have science back then. An easy example is religion.

      The definition of science contradicts your argument as well. Because science is the systematic study of the composition and behaviour of the physical universe, gained via empirical experimentation, measurement and lastly, observation.

      Before science everything was based on observation and it wasn't even systematic study through observation.

      Btw, your infinity link is invalid.
    3. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      The process by which we created machines and determined how they work strive of science. As does all knowledge which we pertain.
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      Not all knowledge comes from science. We knew things before science came, for example we knew how to make a fire. We didn't know why it was burning, or what a fire actually was, but we knew how to make one. We knew how to hunt animals, and we knew what fruit to eat, etc. It's only later that we started to explain things in nature with science.
    4. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Chemistry how Chemicals work
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      Chemistry isn't only about chemicals. We make chemicals with chemistry. Chemistry is primarily the study of the composition, structure and properties of atoms and molecules, and why they react like they do. We then apply this knowledge to make chemicals.


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      And this all interfuses with sub sets like Physcology stemming of biology etc etc.
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      Nope. Psychology is not a sub set of Biology. As fields of science, Psychology was first. It's only later we've started exploring areas of Psychology with Biology.


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      The point is all knowledge stems from science and its related subset categories.
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      Nope. If you forgot already, look up.
    5. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Therefore we built machines with science.
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      It's incorrect to say "Therefore" here, as you didn't prove anything. Anyway, yes, we apply the knowledge we gain through science when making machines.


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      Yet i have already stated how science is faith
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      And your statements are now suddenly proofs in and of themselves? Blimey!
      Anyway, I have already disproved that argument.


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      not proven due to it being percieved not fact. So therefore information attained from science or mechines which are meant to give more accurate clearer results, are all still stemming from bias human perceptions
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      You keep dismissing my arguments and then you just repeat yourself. I'm wondering when you get to the point where you actually do a descent attempt at proving your arguments.
    6. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      So the only way of refining this with such machines is just bringing us closer to the "human perception on logic"> As everything used to measure something and everything we have built, is built in our perception
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      Have you read nothing of what I've written? Stop with the "It's built in our perception" argument unless you can actually prove it. Of course, I have already disproved that argument many times, so you're in trouble.


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      As in its built wrongly due to science dictating the way it should be built.
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      Science doesn't dictate how it should be built. We apply the knowledge we have gained through science with a bit of nice ingenuity to make the machines. And even if science had dictated how it should be built, it wouldn't be automatically wrong.
    7. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      So therefore with that Camera's are a refined view of the human perception, or Human logic and are therefore not a truth.
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      Cameras are not refined views of human perception or logic... Seriously, back up your human perception arguments with something. Cameras are unbiased sources of information. Cameras cannot see that which isn't there (as I've already explained earlier).


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      In a 3rd argument is that camera's have limited accuracy, and pictures of things may seem different to what they actually are.
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      The argument above applies here as well.


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      They dont give the whole story. this is with any measurement. The only way for something to give a full story is for us to measure everything
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      Why do we need the whole story? If you're measuring the speed at which a bullet is travelling, do you really need to know how hot the bullet is?
    8. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      But that is almost impossible xD. Due to the Uncertainty principle, so hey science dissproves itself xD
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      According to the Uncertainty principle, that IS impossible. And no, science doesn't disprove itself.... In fact, you cannot disprove science. You can disprove some of its theories, but you cannot disprove all of them. You can only point out, after many tests that have also been checked by other scientists, that under a certain set of circumstances, a given theory does not apply. I have already explained this earlier as well. Also, you're forgetting the consequences of your argument. If you actually had disproved science with that argument, you would also disprove the argument that you used to disprove science, which is a paradox.


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      Arguing that science is not proven using science. xD
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      I've seen very little science from your side.
    9. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      The image given from a camera is effectively the same as the eye see's
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      Almost, but how is this relevant? Is this some sort of weird attempt at proving machines perceive things just like we do? If so, then you're doing it wrong.


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      now if that camera was out of focus. It would be wrong what we see and blurred.
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      Fixed it for you.


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      They way we see is built on Human logic hence even the need of a lens.
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      What the.. how did.. uh, what?._.

      The way we see is not based on human logic, and in no way does that have anything to do with why we need a lens either.


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      Also as another easilly achieved counter argument the camera may simply produce random dots.
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      The camera doesn't "produce" anything. Also, nothing is truly random, but of course you knew that.


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      But within those dots depending on different perceptions> Different images reveal themselves.
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      ...What? Also, now you're straying away from machines again.
    10. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Again this can be shown with simple illusion tricks.
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      How is this related to cameras? And I have already explained why illusions occur.


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      we have no way of knowing what is and what isn't an image
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      Uh, we only see images.


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      we cannot observe without the intereference of our perception.
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      We cannot observe without the brain interfering, yes. Machines can.
    11. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      Yes, the eyes have a lens which it adjusts to get focus. It also has rodcells and other cells in the back so it can detect light. The (poor) image is then sent back to the brain for interpretation. For a human made camera it's different. Yes, it has a lens, and sensors which detect light, but the interpretation part is gone. Why? Because the image from the camera is good enough, and nobody knows how to code an interpreter for a camera yet ANYWAY.
    12. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
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      Lol Machines arn't build in a human perception
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      machines are not based on human perception*, and it's true.


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      eyes acts as lenses.
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      What the shit. Dude, google human eyes please and learn.


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      i have already proved what i needed to prove in the side parts. I.E the background knowledge i have given.
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      Background knowledge without any references isn't proof. For all I know it could be lies, and not "knowledge".

      Also, you still haven't managed to link me a single article talking about this matrix of yours. By the way, this is what a matrix looks like:
      |xx xy xz|
      |yx yy yz|
      |zx zy zz|
    13. 67chrome
      67chrome
      I was tinkering with the attack trigger and got her to use the shortbow (just specifically that bow so far though XD). I'm thinking it might be interesting to change the Luck stat to something more ranged-projectile-effectivy like dexterity or reflexes, because modifying the missile trajectory and range with random numbers is fun XD

      But anyways, what have you written for the storyline so far?
    14. 67chrome
      67chrome
      Lol well, thought you'd have a little more going on in the map than that. The unit formations look pretty impressive, but I'm not sure if it will run very well with that many units doing anything at once.

      Anyways, this is what I've got done so far. Still need to set up triggers to enter and exit the rooms on the right side of the map, but I'm almost done.
      The city so far
    15. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      I know Human perception is flawed, but machines are not based on human perception. If they had, they would be of no use to us. Also, you have yet to actually present any kind of evidence to back up your statements. Thus far all I've seen is the "Stuff we make sucks blablabla" argument.

      Edit: Btw, you also haven't provided with any kind of proof for the human perception to be really bad. I know it's flawed, but not as flawed as you'd like. We can overcome these flaws by just having many people do it many times. The wiki article you linked in my rep doesn't support your claims.
    16. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      Things that are created by humans do not see things like humans. We have yet to invent something which is able to do that. It's harder to make "bad" equipment than good. The equipment we make is highly accurate and unbiased. Our senses are the exact opposite. Our eyes suck, and our brain tries to make up for that by guessing. Machines can't guess. They are incapable of seeing things that aren't there.

      If the stuff we made truly sucked as much as you'd like to, we wouldn't be chatting right now. That is a fact many people tend to forget. They bash quantum physics and all those things, but forget that without that they wouldn't have the computers and cell phones and other neat shit that we have today.

      Seriously, rethink the situation a bit before you go bash science without ANY proof at all.

      "Stuff we make sucks blablabla" isn't an argument. It's random gibberish.
    17. The Reborn Devil
      The Reborn Devil
      You're both contradicting yourself and claiming things without any proof, and you disregard my counterarguments and continue with the whole science is faith thing and human perception ._.

      Seriously, if you had read what I've said you would've seen that science isn't faith, and that it's not entirely based on human perception, as we know that would just be ridiculous. We've made the tools we have to NOT rely on our own perception, and they are in NO WAY perceiving things like a human would. If you had even the faintest idea about the workings of a human, and the workings of a machine, you would know this. Also, even when we do use our own senses we do it countless times with thousands of people. Why? To rule out things we might have seen wrong, if anything at all.

      The chances of thousands of scientists seeing the exact same "illusion", in lack of a better word, every. single. time. is infinitesimal.
    18. 67chrome
      67chrome
      For now I'd say just tinker with them being their in the world editor, if you find you really like the looks of the force trigger it later. Though depending on the amount of control you have over the force spawn points could be really nifty.

      As far as loading the map to play it though, I'm pretty sure the time is most heavily effected by having lots of doodads and units, so cutting down on either will help cut that down.
    19. 67chrome
      67chrome
      Well, show me what you have so far :D

      Also, I got sort of really carried away with the town, there is no shortage of structures to go in and out of now XD.

      I also made a few more armor styles. I'll see if I can transfer a few more attack anims to the hero and then set the skin paths up.
    20. 67chrome
      67chrome
      All right, so you're doing the first/second chapter. How is the story coming along so far anyways, and have you finalized on the overall campaign layout and main characters?
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