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Witch

Just a remade old model of mine, it's some sort of a banshee. I'm not too good at making units, but it still might be usefull. For better experience test it ingame;)
Quick animations preview:
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Give in credits, if you use this.

Update: tweaked proportions and wrap. Thanks to HappyTauren for advices
Update: even more fixes


Icon by PrinceYaser.

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Keywords:
Witch, Undead, Banshee, Scream, Tear, Suffer, Dead, Ghost, Skirt, Sylvanas, Female, Lich, Fallen.
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Witch (Model)

Witch (Model)

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15:54, 3rd Aug 2012 HappyTauren: Looks really wonky on the screenshot, but looks fine in game, though it should still be a bit more proportional to other wc3 models, but it is not a great issue.

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15:54, 3rd Aug 2012
HappyTauren: Looks really wonky on the screenshot, but looks fine in game, though it should still be a bit more proportional to other wc3 models, but it is not a great issue.
 
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The model's nice! I just suggest you animate her hair and change the particle in the "Channel" animation. Maybe it would be better if she cried during the animation with her hands close to her face and a tear particle? (As long as she uses screams like a banshee, she can use moaning too:))
 
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Hm, nope. The tweaking was done entirely without consent. Although it was done for his sake rather than my own. When something has unfulfilled potential, I tend to do my own spin on things, it's a bad habit of mine. Although I rarely share this spin with people because the strict judging process would chip off the bad bits and outshine my concept by far. In this case, however, it feels as a work in progress model got approved. Which is rare, so I shared what I tweaked, to improve it to such a stage where I think would be a satisfactory standard of quality. I am not saying that my tweak should replace his, I merely state that I find mine be a step in the right direction. The arms, for example, needs more work, don't know about the stomache area though, could probably be tweaked a bit as well.
 
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I've made people feel troubled

Whom?

Dunno why, but your acting seems pretty nasty to me. First you suggested your tweak on my userpage, that's ok, i try to appreciate, when people try to help me, even if i don't like their ideas and shit.. But then you started arguing that your 'tweak' is much better then original model and posting stuff around to a model tread. It's not such a big deal and it's not a trouble, but i don't like your acting and try not to repeat this next time, if you don't like something.
 
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You're troubled by my actions, I am troubled by the future of the hive, concerning the approval of the model at its current stage and your refusal to work on it.

Dunno why, but your acting seems pretty nasty to me. First you suggested your tweak on my userpage
Hm, so PM's are better then, I suppose.

You started arguing that your 'tweak' is much better then original model
It is better, the proportions are much better. Your model has too large shoulders and too thick arms, giving the impression that you're making a man, but the chest proves that you're making a woman. The head gives the impression that it belongs to an ogre, so I scaled it down to fit with the body. The stomach area affecting the dress was down where her knees were, so I moved it up. Also, she barely has a neck. In the discussion with me, you revealed that it was intended as a witch, as a sister of Sylvanas. Night Elves has a specific physique and body type. Thus this model would be in conflict with the established image of night elves. Right? Animation wise, it's beautiful, however.

It's not such a big deal and it's not a trouble.
Wonderful. My comments are for the most part not intended to harm, but rather to help. It's about the same for tweaks as well. As it is easier to demonstrate than to explain.
 
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You learned nothing. Read my post again and think some more.

I am troubled by the future of the hive, concerning the approval of the model at its current stage and your refusal to work on it

I even won't try to explain, why this model is better then many approved simple edits and other shit, because im tried of arguing with you.
 
RetroSexual, even if you think your version looks better, it doesn't. Objectively. You really need to work on those proportions, the model is approved just because it looks fine from top-down view, but I guess MiniMage's version looks far better even in game. The dog collar is indeed too bulky, as well as her shoulders/arms/her head, which is too fat. If you think we are both bullshiting you, check out wc3 female models, you will realize that your model has wrong proportions for a wc3 model. If you are uploading a model to a community, you have to drop your ego and do what's best for the resource section.

I've accepted suggestions in the past, because people have apparently had better ideas than me, they have noticed some errors, models got fixed... By doing what you are, you will not improve much. Instead of bashing MiniMage's attempt to improve your model, you should learn from what he had done. I've offered you a quick fix a few days ago, but he went many steps further and altered many things in order to improve the model, and he has improved it.
 
Immaturity, ego and pride. Would be nice if you actually dropped your egos for a moment and tried to be reasonable for a bit.

RetroSexual, his tweak is better than my tweak or your model. This is completely objective. It fits better, it is proportionated better, it has shading on arms and breasts (though arms would have to be fixed further). It is simply superior, as in, better looking. Stop denying that.

MiniMage, while I agree with you on some points, you should've stopped offering help to those who refuse it, and I should've stopped adding oil to this (pretty passive) flamewar.

HappyTauren, you're a douchebag for ever getting into this discussion, you're really bad as a neutral person. Oh wait, that's me. Doesn't matter, I am still guilty of something.

How about we all start respecting each other, be less egoistic, more understanding, objective and mature? Either that, or some form of punishment will be dished out or this thread closed.
 
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HappyTauren, you have a point. I tried convincing a person not wanting to be convinced, which in turn probably was probably regarded as more offensive rather than helpful. I overstepped my boundaries. For that I apologize, to RetroSexual. I thought I needed to clarify the last part because it sounded like I was apologized to HappyTauren.

Anyhow, again I apologize. The recent changes to the hive has like me and a lot of others worried, stressed out and looking to restore the balance to the hive. Many who left the hive stated that with them leaving, the quality of the hive would take a dive. I wanted to prove them wrong.

Also, this is directed to HappyTauren. When are you guys going to open up the chat again? Whenever I wanted input from the hive, I asked it in the chat. The response was always instantaneous. Although the majority were insults, it did prove quite helpful when some honest people answered. The chat, like the forum and the programs we use is a tool for modeling and sharing of information. If you have an answer send me a PM.

Anyhow, I've said what I felt I needed to say. So I don't have much more to add to this, also Misha requested me to wrap this up because I am stubborn and annoying, even more so when I try to help. Wait, one final thing. I suck at animating, you clearly do not. Teach me, if you're willing.

That is all.
/MiniMage
 
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