Tinker Total War V3,0

Moderator · Apr 26, 2014

11:56, 19th May 2014
Orcnet: Gameplay is overall pinpoint of the game which gives a lot of fun factor or competitive play, I like how you can choose a huge varieties of missiles or spells to add for your hero, although I'm not quite sure what the ships are meant for, I suggest it would be great if they'd be a special nuke you can use on the game's cosmetics, anyhow can be approved.

Streak · Apr 27, 2014

Nice. dark-zalor keep it up 5/5. + Rep(Maybe

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Radicool · May 18, 2014

Great game. It reminds me a lot of the Pudge Wars game I use to play a few years ago. Here's some suggestions:

- A loading screen description is important because it gives the players a first impression of your game. Your description has a couple of spelling mistakes. Fix the spelling mistakes; Engineer* and Customize*

- Some runes don't seem to work. The speed rune works, however the armor rune didn't appear to give me any armor, and the gold rune didn't appear to give me any gold.

- The "Get a Rune" ability is a little confusing. This ability shoots a projectile which can enter the enemies base. Players will try to dodge it even though it does no damage. Maybe prevent the projectile entering the enemy base, or make any target offensive ability pick up runes or something. You may need to think about a strategy to fix the confusing gameplay element. Maybe the ability could do damage, so players DO have to avoid it. You'd have to increase the cooldown if thats the case.

- The "Remove Spells" circle of power doesn't appear to work. I have 1 ability which wasn't removed when stepping upon the circle. Additionally, removing abilities when stepping upon the circle seems like a bad idea. Players may accidentally remove their abilities. Make the circle like a shop where players buy a Remove Abilities item which well, removes abilities and refunds them. No more accidental ability removals.

- Would it be a good idea to allow players vision of their own sides by default? Up to you.

- Speaking of vision, I'd really like to know if an ability I used hit an enemy. When fog is disabled (cant see enemies), you are shooting blind. That's okay, but it kind of sucks not being able to see if your ability hit an enemy. There is no intelligent aiming involved. Its just reckless shooting. Upon firing an ability, there should be vision of the area you shot at for a brief time. The type of vision would depend on the ability used. Abilities that explode in an area should provide vision in that area, missiles that fire in a line should provide vision in that line, etc. If you see the enemy when you fire, then players know where to shoot their next shots.

- I played single player so I'm not sure if there is commentary. But if there isn't, it may be a good idea to add "Killing Spree", "First Blood", "Monster Kill", "Double Kill", etc.

- Music is a good way to change the mood of the game. A lot of the Warcraft 3 music has a slow tempo (slow paced), quiet and more ambient sound to it. In other words, its boring and doesn't even remotely fit into your style of game here. Your game is like Pudge Wars. A fast paced action packed game. You either need to remove music and try to add lots of sound effects and commentary to fill the silence, and/or you need to add different music to the game. Unless you import music, you best internal music to choose from in my opinion would be the WC2 intro music. The "Storm, Earth and Fire" song could be good, but I find that song extremely annoying to listen to because it's so in your face. Maybe it could be used for any special events that may occur within the game.

Remember, my suggestions are just suggestions. You may not agree with everything I said, it's just there for you to consider. Very interesting remake of Pudge Wars. Well done.

Orcnet · May 19, 2014

Map approved. :thumbs_up:

Strikest · Jun 3, 2014

Hi, I have played your map and I have to sadly say that, it is unplayable in its current state. You simply you have too many bugs for streamlined, cohesive gameplay. Firstly, when I used the Goblin Tank spell, I lost all my spells. This did not happen once, it happened every time I used the Goblin Tank. This is because you do not make abilities permanent when you add them to a unit, which means they disappear when the unit uses a transformation spell. To fix this, you need to add this line every time a unit buys a spell:

JASS:

call UnitMakeAbilityPermanent(Unit,true,'XXXX')

Replace Unit with your unit variable, whether it be GetTriggerUnit() or whatnot, and replace XXXX with the raw code of the ability.
Then to remove the spell you need to do the same, except, change true to false, as follows:

JASS:

call UnitMakeAbilityPermanent(Unit,false,'XXXX')

Secondly, after playing for around 5 minutes, everybody turned invulnerable, which effectively ended the game right there.

I have attached the replay to show you.

Other things I have noticed:
That frost bomb weapon seemed overpowered, the damage and area was very big, and the cooldown did not seem very big. It also freezes in addition to all that. And he got it pretty early, so maybe you could balance it with a higher price.

You should also put a tooltip saying that the orb that you shoot at runes does not do damage, because I kept seeing people try to shoot enemies with it.

The Rune of Damages should be renamed, because I had no idea what it did. I thought it boosted allies damage, and I was wondering why all my allies were on fire. You should rename it to Rune of Immolation or something.

For now, because of the bugs that make it unplayable, I must give it a 2/5 rating. However, if you fix the bugs that ruin the game, I will increase it to a 4/5.

Dark-Zalor · Jun 3, 2014

The new version has been uploaded

I fix problems with the goblin tank
I fix the problems with spells

Don't hesitate to send me you suggestions for
items
spell balancing
systems
events
modes

I really appreciate feedback and suggestions

I really thanks Strikest for his very constructive feedback
His game looked very epic

I'm sorry for these bugs they doesn't appear when I played it with my editor

Does anybody have tried my epic music playlist?

Strikest · Jun 3, 2014

Ok I have played the new version, it is much better now that the bugs have been fixed. But there are still some minor bugs.

For one, it appears the tank form does not prevent damage from things if the damage will be fatal.

Also it appears that more than one person can shoot a rune?

In the replay attached, it shows that I shot the rune at the same time as someone from the enemy team, and we both got a message saying we picked up the rune.

Nukes seem super overpowered. The area is just too big, and they one hit kill everyone it seems?

Rune of Pain does sound much better now ^_^

Edit:

Dear god, you have to nerf nukes. I need to show you... how overpowered they are. Watch my 2nd replay.

Also, it appears that the Remove Spells circle broke in the 2nd replay, after a while I had so much gold that I wanted to relearn my Mortar, but when I stepped on the circle nothing happened, I didn't get a dialog or anything. I think it broke somewhere during the game, because the first time I accidentally stepped on the circle it worked, it might have messed up after I pressed cancel?

Dark-Zalor · Jun 4, 2014

New upload
Goblin tank is finally fixed
Nuke bomb and Nuclear strike have their prices improved

Is there a problem in the end of the game with win/lose messages?

I think players get too faster some gold....

Gives me your ideas about it

Strikest · Jun 4, 2014

Okay so I have tried the new version, the weapons seem more balanced now :thumbs_up:

. Some notes I found:

I think the watcher missile should be cheaper. If you buy it at start you will not be able to compete with the damage of other players who get the laser or rocket.

Gold Bonus appears to be op. Getting that one rune is the equivalent of killing everyone on the enemy team 2 times. I think the gold bonus should only go to the player who gets the rune.

Atomic Bomb is still op, it needs way higher price or maybe limit 1 per team, or a higher cooldown, or a combination of the sorts. I didn't try the nuke though, so I'll reserve judgment on that.

Rune of Pain seems really good too compared to the other runes, but does Goblin Tank work against it? If it does then it's not so bad.

Dark-Zalor · Jun 4, 2014

I uploaded a new version

The bonuses are a bit differents

The Nuke Bomb and Atomic Strike are less powerful

the goblin tank has less cooldown

Does anybody have something to add about the final multiboard, or other stuff?

Strikest · Jun 5, 2014

Here's a replay I uploaded, hopefully it shows you why I think assists would be a good idea.

Because the whole team was damaging the enemies, but then the blue on our team got some early kills, and got ion cannon. After that we could not get any kills, because blue was taking them all with his Ion Cannon. Which means we were just sitting around with our starting weapons until Team 2 got humiliated 10 minutes later. That happened because since blue was the only one getting kills, he got enough gold for Atomic Strike... which still one hit kills everybody O_O

Strikest · Jun 5, 2014

Alright so I tried the new version, I must say the assists were a good start.

But now I think one person gets too much gold compared to the rest of the team. Check my replay to see what I mean; once Pink and Blue and me got Atomic Nuke, they were able to get gold so quickly, compared to the rest of the people on the team, who still had their starting weapons 20 minutes in. Maybe raise assist gold and lower the gold the killer gets? It might be the multi-kill gold bonus is too high as well. Because it got so ridiculous at the end, pink and blue were unkillable because they had 300 str and 6k hp, while the rest of us still died in one hit to atomic nuke. Maybe you could also add a limit to strength tomes?

Also, the remove spells circle bugged halfway through the game, both teams could not remove their spells because nothing happened when they stepped on the circle.

EDIT:

I got a few new bugs in the 2nd replay I'm attaching: Blue got a revive bug(he didn't rez). He didn't rez until his teammate red died. Also, I have some information that might be able to help you figure out why the Remove Spells Circle didn't work. When I went into the circle to remove my Fat Man weapon, i had the option to remove 4 spells. The fourth spell that it said I could remove was the Ion Cannon, which is a weapon I didn't have, because I sold it already. I assume after that the Remove Spells circle stopped working. Also, more case of having too much gold: this time it was me who had too much gold. I became unkillable, especially since the other team only had Flame Strike and his boat for attacks.

Dark-Zalor · Jun 8, 2014

A new version will be released to balance weapons
Gold bonuses by kills will be decreased and assist bounty will be increased

I need new ideas

- I have the idea to make only 1 weapon Atomic Bomb or Nuclear Strike per teams
OR
- I have the idea to make Atomic Bomb and Nuclear Strike not disponible before 10 minutes of game time
OR
-Do nothing

Just tell me what is the best option

Strikest · Jun 12, 2014

Hm, maybe just make them very expensive, like 2000 for nuke and 2500 for atomic.

Dark-Zalor · Jun 12, 2014

A new version have been uploaded

Weapons are more balanced I think (i'm open to suggestions)

Now when a player disconnect from the game his hero is removed from the game

Strikest · Jun 21, 2014

Alright I had the chance to try your map today. The weapons definetely do seem more balanced, so that is good. I'll start with the minor things I noticed at start.

Why does it choose a random person to choose modes? It should be red who chooses every time, since he is host most of the time.

Second, Flammers should be Flamers. On multiboard you have Kills and Death. Should be Kills and Deaths.

Okay, for the gameplay, it definetely seems more balanced; especially at the start, the starting weapons are very good. But once again, as soon as I got Atomic Nuke, game broke completely. As soon as I used Atomic, I got 4 kills at once, and that gave me enough gold to buy the 1500 nuke, which gave me more kills enough to get the best weapons. At that point I just made them ragequit with my nukes, the game became totally one sided at that point.

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