Consider improving your description. Description Guide - Maps

Alxen345 said:

Consider improving your description. Description Guide - Maps

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This is very vague and not the most constructive feedback I have ever read, but sure I will add some more info.

I didn't say I will test your map, only pointed out to you that you need a better description. Considering you are on Hive for quite a long time, you should have known how a bundle should look.

Map Submission Rules
There have been changes over the course of 10 years for our submission rules, please take a look at it.

1. Good Detailed Description
Include thorough, detailed information on what the map is about, its features, and how to play it.
Recommended: Screenshots, videos, changelog, and organized formatting (BB Codes, Description Guide - Maps).
- Map category / type tags should be fitting, and not excessive in number

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7. Credits List
The authors of imports you used (models, icons, skins, spells, etc) must be credited in your description. Note that if you're missing any, you can "View Resources In Use" below your map description of the map page.

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You have a previous iteration of the map from 13-14 years ago. I suggest updating that instead with these 2 points of rules taken into consideration. The said map is The Trivia Game v1.1

To update, go to the map you want to update, select 'edit' and make your changes in the edit menu.

Hope that helps!

Daffa the Mage said:

Map Submission Rules
There have been changes over the course of 10 years for our submission rules, please take a look at it.





You have a previous iteration of the map from 13-14 years ago. I suggest updating that instead with these 2 points of rules taken into consideration. The said map is The Trivia Game v1.1

To update, go to the map you want to update, select 'edit' and make your changes in the edit menu.

Hope that helps!

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Honestly if it's all the same I would rather leave my other one untouched as a matter of historic record. I mean technically this game was built from scratch, so it isn't really an update to the other one. I just kept the name to pay homage.

Will make other changes though. Thanks.

Alxen345 said:

Considering you are on Hive for quite a long time, you should have known how a bundle should look.

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You are too new on hive to realise that things haven't always been this way. Go check the maps during the golden era of wc3 map editing around (2003-2007) and you will notice they aren't as in your face as your Mario map description. Not saying the new rules are bad, or your desccription is bad, just explaining why saying 'you should know how a bundle should look' only works on people who joined as late as you did.

eg. This is LoaP: Reborn v1.4, by far the most popular LoaP game in the early-mid 2000's. Check out the description.

MoodSwing said:

Honestly if it's all the same I would rather leave my other one untouched as a matter of historic record. I mean technically this game was built from scratch, so it isn't really an update to the other one. I just kept the name to pay homage.

Will make other changes though. Thanks.

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I take it there is a radical difference between the two maps then?

Will do a review soon, but there's quite a load in pending so please take your time while waiting for it

Daffa the Mage said:

I take it there is a radical difference between the two maps then?

Will do a review soon, but there's quite a load in pending so please take your time while waiting for it

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Radical enough that it was much easier starting from scratch than using the other one as a foundation

I'm not new on Hive. Is not like I joined yesterday. No matter when you joined, you have to stick to the rules. A bundle without proper description and enough information is a pain. The Mario Castle is not my prior project. You should take a good look at the other uploaded 3 years ago. It has a detailed bundle as well. I wanted to help you get the attention of a map reviewer but you're totally defensive.

Alxen345 said:

I'm not new on Hive. Is not like I joined yesterday. No matter when you joined, you have to stick to the rules. A bundle without proper description and enough information is a pain. The Mario Castle is not my prior project. You should take a good look at the other uploaded 3 years ago. It has a detailed bundle as well. I wanted to help you get the attention of a map reviewer but you're totally defensive.

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Mate I'm just telling you why I didn't do it initially, the rules came long after I left. You are new to hive, so you only know that status quo.

I just thought you were being rude of when you said "you should know better".

My description has been updated, I'm not defensive about it. Just defensive about an attitude from a green member.

Stop spamming my map please, you have said your piece, I have acknowledged it, I have updated it, let's move on.

There are some icons that are green during pause, especially ones for the players (not the QM). I apologize for the extremely long delay.

Daffa the Mage said:

There are some icons that are green during pause, especially ones for the players (not the QM). I apologize for the extremely long delay.

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Fixed, thanks.

@Daffa the Mage sorry for the intervention but it's been months with this one in Pending.

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This map is fine. All it needs is better terrain. Put some doodads. Just make it look nicer.


If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
Paillan
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Daffa the Mage
eubz
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Hi @deepstrasz, your feedback is absolutely ridiculous.

It is a trivia game. I am not adding random doodads in to 'make it look nicer'. The point of this map is to give people the means to run trivia games. That's what the map does.

I corrected the issues from Daffa's first review without a problem as that feedback was legitimate, and not based on opinion. Using the review process to bully people into making maps how you think they should is a complete and utter abuse of your role here.

"sorry for the intervention but it's been months with this one"
puts it back in to awaiting update

Genius move.



@Daffa the Mage can you please confirm my fixes from your previous post and approve this map so I don't have to deal with a person who wants more trees.

MoodSwing said:

It is a trivia game. I am not adding random doodads in to 'make it look nicer'. The point of this map is to give people the means to run trivia games. That's what the map does.

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Well excuse me, the point of Warcraft III is to be a RPG+RTS game. Why need all that nice lowered/heightened terrain and all those different doodads? It's just based on opinion.

But yeah wait for Daffa. It's your right not to want to improve anyway.

deepstrasz said:

But yeah wait for Daffa. It's your right not to want to improve anyway.

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You are incredibly arrogant.


I have the heightened terrain to keep the players in their positions so the QM can manage the game easier.

I use tinted doodads so you can easily see which colour everyone is.

I use different player characters to give people some ownership over their character.

Correct, the design choices were all based on my own opinion. I have no idea what your point is here, that's generally how map design works.


Offering a suggestion would have been fine if you felt compelled, but putting the status of this map back into 'awaiting update' because you don't like my aesthetic is a complete abuse of what you should be doing.

I don't consider your opinion an improvement on my map. It would just serve to add clutter in a game where players need to be completely focused on water colour changes and floating text.

deepstrasz said:

the point of Warcraft III is to be a RPG+RTS game

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How you became a 'Map Reviewer' with this attitude is beyond me. That statement is absolutely false and only serves to railroad people into making and playing games that you like.

The point of WC3 is to have fun in whatever way people want to do it. The keys to the map editor have been left open for a reason. You need to go play some out-of-the-box games to expand your horizons, there are a lot of excellent custom maps that don't fit your mould of 'RPG' or 'RTS'.

The fact that I need to explain this to a hive workshop 'Map Reviewer' is actually quite concerning.

MoodSwing said:

That statement is absolutely false and only serves to railroad people into making and playing games that you like.

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There's nothing false in the fact that you're not willing to make your map a tiny bit more nice looking.
But I see you like to go on talking besides the subject about the person behind the advice instead, therefore, I will not be reviewing any of your maps anymore. I hope this will solve further issues.
This has nothing to do with what I like. Your map is basically another version of your previous one. You could have updated that one instead and that would have been it but you decided to make a "new" one so then some more quality is what I wanted you to put into it.

MoodSwing said:

The point of WC3 is to have fun in whatever way people want to do it. The keys to the map editor have been left open for a reason. You need to go play some out-of-the-box games to expand your horizons, there are a lot of excellent custom maps that don't fit your mould of 'RPG' or 'RTS'.

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I gave you an example, responded the same way you did, to make you see how I much I liked your type of messaging. Obviously, you don't like it either.
A game is better if it also looks better regardless of genre.
Fun has nothing to do with quality. Loads of Substandard maps are fun.

MoodSwing said:

The fact that I need to explain this to a hive workshop 'Map Reviewer' is actually quite concerning.

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Who is the arrogant one here?

But I'll be, so you won't feel offended. I dare write I've played more games than you did, maybe not in a very wide range of genres but still I can give advice where due and the issue with your map is the way it all looks, not the gameplay.

Set back to Pending.
I didn't want to review your map at all but Daffa had some trouble with time and I wanted to help him out.

MoodSwing said:

Hi @deepstrasz, your feedback is absolutely ridiculous.

It is a trivia game. I am not adding random doodads in to 'make it look nicer'. The point of this map is to give people the means to run trivia games. That's what the map does.

I corrected the issues from Daffa's first review without a problem as that feedback was legitimate, and not based on opinion. Using the review process to bully people into making maps how you think they should is a complete and utter abuse of your role here.

"sorry for the intervention but it's been months with this one"
puts it back in to awaiting update

Genius move.



@Daffa the Mage can you please confirm my fixes from your previous post and approve this map so I don't have to deal with a person who wants more trees.

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A fine terrain is a mandatory thing for any kind of map, no matter the genre. Check out the map submission rules and you'll see.

deepstrasz said:

This has nothing to do with what I like. Your map is basically another version of your previous one. You could have updated that one instead and that would have been it but you decided to make a "new" one so then some more quality is what I wanted you to put into it.

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There is far more to map creation than terrain. This is a far superior version to the old one, I rebuilt the entire thing from scratch because 'updating' the other one was far too difficult in it's current state. I consider them two different games.

Alxen345 said:

A fine terrain is a mandatory thing for any kind of map, no matter the genre. Check out the map submission rules and you'll see.

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But I feel it will clutter the game as mentioned. Players need to be focused on text, and water colour. It is a speed game. It is a my prerogative. As mentioned a suggestion would have been fine, but this dude actually changed the status to 'awaiting update' because he wanted to see pretty sparkles.

I am not sure why I need to defend my aesthetic design from two people that have never played the game beyond maybe opening it up. I think clutter detracts from the game, that is literally the end of the discussion.

I have hosted this in excess of 50 times and no one has ever mentioned an issue with terrain because it isn't important for this type of game.


This site used to be for creators to share their designs, at what point did everyone on here become 'creative producers' of everyone's content? As mentioned previously, Daffa's feedback was well received, because the feedback related to a bug I had overlooked. Not a design choice.

This entire discussion with deesptrasz is utterly insane.

I apologize for not getting this out of the line before real-life bites me. Anyway, back on the issue. I will state this now to be clear: any map reviewer can review anything that I reviewed if my review is already outdated. This is something that is actually not meant to be publicly known to be honest, but I'll have to this time.

Deepstrasz review has a point on aesthetic, though from my view it's not something that can be considered as major as the icon issue. I apologize that this has to happen and cause an unnecessary mess like this. Blames on me for not handling this issue gracefully months before.

Anyway, something that bothered me with the design, though this is quite a tackle:
1. If Quizmaster is a troll, the question can make zero sense. This can be chaotic to a degree. Pray that your QM is not trash I s'pose
2. If Quizmaster or Player is empty, the game should end automatically.
3. What happen if Quizmaster gets DC'ed during mid-game? Any idea on that?

I admit 1 cannot be handled easily since this involves string control and that is not something Warcraft accustomed for. In the other block, we have the description still being pretty bland, but serves it's purposes well when it comes to explaining. If it won't hurt, some BB Codes decorating would help to make it more pleasing, aesthetically.

As both are not something that can be fixed, and as for terrain, it can be improved by having the ability to switch the tiles or the weather during the game.

Anyway, I would like to hear on point 3 matter before I can consider approving this since there's nothing else except that which can auto-ruin the game since QM is 'everything' in this game. It just crossed my mind when testing this again with only one player and no QM. Assuming that QM always there at the game start here.

Daffa the Mage said:

1. If Quizmaster is a troll, the question can make zero sense. This can be chaotic to a degree. Pray that your QM is not trash I s'pose
2. If Quizmaster or Player is empty, the game should end automatically.
3. What happen if Quizmaster gets DC'ed during mid-game? Any idea on that?

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Reasonable questions.

#1. The person who hosts the game has the responsibility of ensuring a decent QM is in the spot; because if the QM is a troll they can do all sorts of things (boot players, add/remove points at will etc.), so there really isn't much point trying to mitigate this. Whenever I would play games with another QM, it was always someone from one of my previous games who wanted to have a crack at doing the questions. You don't put some random user in that position who has never played the game before. Often I would get a group of 3-4 of us and we would take turns doing the questions. When you find those people with good general knowledge they are always keen for remakes.

#2. I disagree with this, and in fact any situation where a game ends automatically. Players are quite capable of quitting their own game, and doing it on their own time lets them discuss the game, or potential remakes. The game makes it clear when someone leaves, and that's all it needs.

#3 You can't get another player to take over mid game, it's just a bit too chaotic.


I think you might be looking at this the wrong way. Ultimately this map let's people run their own quiz show; if someone leaves or DC's from their own quiz show, then their quiz show is over. So you simply quit the game.
It's not like other maps where you invest all this time into doing something, someone leaves, and all your time is wasted. You still got whatever questions you got, and there is still a leaderboard. There is still some sort of result.
Then players are free to discuss if someone else wants to take over as QM, or maybe the original host has remade the game.

Fair enough. Some aesthetic enhancement can be done if desired, but that's another story.

No major issues spotted.

Approved.