SupCom: Paradise (v21)

Moderator · Aug 16, 2008

12:34, 24th Aug 2008
Septimus: The terrain kill the fun of the map.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/792545-post11.html

Also, is this map belong to you ?

Sir.Laggalot · Aug 17, 2008

I liked it a lot, it was irritating at times dealing with resources though (part of the game).

I need mass so I can create things, but I don't need much of it, but to get it I need to spend it. Agony!

But like I said, it's part of the game. I had a great time with my friend, a couple mins ago we finished a game.

1v1, I took over all of the mass areas across the map, except for his one island, and he never knew.

I also had radar set up around everything so I could always counter him, it was great fun.

I highly recommend this map to people who like resource management.

The way you use resources to build and everything else is really beautiful.

I give it a 4/5

The only thing that keeps it from being a 5/5 is the terrain, it's very bland.

All in all, a great game.

TKF · Aug 17, 2008

I tried this map. It's a very good game. But...

Bugs

Commander is weaker than sub-commander. bug?
Tinkers can walk on water!
But there was a bug with support skill. You can't undo it, my commander did follow it everywhere and I couldn't stop it. Make stop command able to undo follow
I could kill a shield gen lv2 with 1 shot from lv3 artillery tank. Is that normal?

Suggestion

High level radar sucks all energy, i would prefer scout lv3 as my radar
The game isn't leaver friendly - Maube if team all his units goes under his team mates control? Except his commander
Add disinegrator and hide ability to commander? 1000 energy pr shot and 1000 energy pr second when going into cloak.
Add a alternative mode, where you can live even if your commander is dead, you only die when your last worker dies
Also anti nuke defense seemed to have short protection radius

N-a-z-g-u-l · Aug 17, 2008

Commander is weaker than Sub-Commander, no bug
Tinkers can walk on water, no bug
Support skill, read the description, no bug
shield gen probably was weakened before, no bug

radar, its like in the original game
leaver friendly, actually when one leaves all units are controlled by an ally of him...
hide, for a single unit this isnt useful, but i was thinking about a unit hiding nearby units
alternative mode, no, just be more careful, shouldnt be that hard
anti nukes range is in the tooltip, nothing wrong with that range

anyhow, i am updating all units values based on the original supreme commander values, will be different to play then

TKF · Aug 18, 2008

N-a-z-g-u-l said:
shield gen probably was weakened before, no bug

Shield gen had full hp! I doubt this is no bug. 1 Single attack destroys it. (ops, i meant i attacked my team mates sry)

Why is that tinker can walk on water no bug???? I don't understand

It looks ridiculous if you ask me. Unless that's the purpose. (I never played Supreme Commander)

Teammates can go attack each other. Maybe make a stop trigger which prevent team commander assassination. I nuked my friend to death in my last game, cuz i can see all his units, while I cant see enemies, so it's much easier lol.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Aug 19, 2008

TKF said:
Shield gen had full hp! I doubt this is no bug. 1 Single attack destroys it. (ops, i meant i attacked my team mates sry)

allied shields dont block your projectiles

Why is that tinker can walk on water no bug???? I don't understand It looks ridiculous if you ask me. Unless that's the purpose. (I never played Supreme Commander)

its just how the game works...

Teammates can go attack each other. Maybe make a stop trigger which prevent team commander assassination. I nuked my friend to death in my last game, cuz i can see all his units, while I cant see enemies, so it's much easier lol.

doesnt force you to do that... and a stop trigger, lol... ^^ i could also deactivate friendly fire, stop wouldnt be the finest solution

but anyway, i want to have team attack in this map

Now i complety updated this map, the others are still old, but this one has a very improved engine and values

Sir.Laggalot · Aug 19, 2008

I really like it, but I found something that is either a bug, or needs to be changed for balance reasons.

I get how the mechanics can go across water, this is cool. But they can apparently build in water too.

I just was doing incredibly better than this player and he turtled me into my base by massing anti air and point defense towers around me and slowly pushed me onto my one beginning island.

I really don't think that the mechanics should be able to build towers or pretty much anything else out at sea.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Aug 19, 2008

okay, maybe you are right

turrets are now restricted to ground (in the next version then)

TKF · Aug 19, 2008

It's kinda lame with no victory condition. Make a win when only 1 team remains, instead of a never ending game.

I played the ice map, i noticed the mass was very difficult to get surplus of. It's kinda easier to go air since they cost less mass.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Aug 23, 2008

New version uploaded, even if it still has the same version number etc... changes are:

- mass fabricator values are now mixed from forged alliance and the standard supcom
- nuke effect is updated a bit, and the damage circle grows over time, not damage to all units at the same time, but related to where they stand
- probably some smaller bug fixes i dont remember

Supreme Commander now has a homepage:
http://btanks.net/m/sc/download.htm

Septimus · Aug 24, 2008

Review

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Map Review

1) Terrain - Horrible (1)
2) Trigger - Excellent (5)
3) Minor Error - Average (3)
4) Major Error - Excellent (5)
5) Replay Value - Excellent (5)
6) Fun factor/gameplay - Excellent (5)
7) Use of imported material - Excellent (5)
8) Single player - Average (3)
9) AI support -
10) Camera - Horrible (1)
11) Originality -
12) File Size - Excellent (5)
13) Internet/LAN Friendly -
14) Balancing -
15) Packaging - Excellent (5)
16) Credits - Excellent (5)
17) Storyline -
18) Theme - Excellent (5)
19) Protection - Excellent (5)
20) Quality - Excellent (5)
21) Description/Information/Detail - Average (3)
22) Hiveworkshop rules & regulation - Excellent (5)
23) Game Mode - Excellent (5)
24) Difficulty -
25) Unit Placement -

Total Accumulation Point : 76/90 * 100 + (-7) (Review) = 77.44

[+] -
[!] - You should tell people that the camera can be zoom by using "Esc"
[-] - Very bland terrain.
[!] - Lack of information/hint/strategy/guide on how to play at quest log.
[!] - Typo error found, you mistype "resource" as "ressource"
[!] - Hotkey for Anti-air tank clash with Amphibious tank. Refer to hotkey "A"

Review : Hmmm... this map have a very bland with just palm tree. It could use a bit of improvement as the terrain ain't that impressive.

In addition, the game play seems to be annoying if a person doesn't know why their mass and energy depleting drastically. Probably because the lack of info regarding about it.

And the author surely neglect something at certain point, it could be seen clearly when there is 1-2 typo error and 1 hotkey malfunction.

Other then that, the map overall seems to be good. But, the terrain could kill the joy of the map. Recommend you to improve the terrain.

Another -7 point for this map.

Rating & Miscellaneous information

Score - 77/100
Rating - 4/5
Condition - Good
Status - Approve
Review - 1

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Discohydra · Aug 24, 2008

Bug, (Possible with entire game engine)

The submarine's Torpedo's DO NOT explode on frigates. too many torpedo's launched causes a game crash.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Aug 25, 2008

Discohydra said:
Bug, (Possible with entire game engine)

The submarine's Torpedo's DO NOT explode on frigates. too many torpedo's launched causes a game crash.

ok, found that bug... frigates have a collision Z offset of 75, and a collision of 70, torpedos have a fly height of 0, so they always go below the frigate^^ i will fix that

N-a-z-g-u-l · Aug 26, 2008

new game engine & new terrains:

Supreme Commander

Version 3:
- Rescaled Ranges (15% reduction)
- Added acceleration for units
- Fixed a torpedo bug
- Rebalanced Aiming
- Improved Tooltips
- Fixed some text bugs
- Reduced the damage dealt by bombers by 75%

Discohydra · Aug 26, 2008

Awwww, You had to reduce range, I loved the 4500 range on the artillery

TKF · Aug 26, 2008

I hope the system is improved, I hate to play with 2-3fps and 0.2 when the game is going hard :angry:

Advanced physics engine for weapons is kinda waste, unless you want to build weapons which counters it, well I guess it's very important for you shield generators in the map... And for hitting the ground when on different elevations... Missing...

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Well, such weapon system could perhaps be a revolutionary change for BT. Imagine shield systems, and you can seek cover. Also allowing to focus fire

... Point defense weapons to attack incoming projectiles

I already made such point defense based system against projectiles where i use phönix fire and other projectiles to work as point defense. 1 example is how laser towers work in missile wars. Also it work the same way with the shields...

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This is probably the best enchance melee map I ever played, but I stick to BS and BT, due to unplayness and my shitty computer can't handle the map.

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I wondered what that guys at wc3c would have said about this map, I bet it would be disapproved there and graveyarded within 48 hours.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Sep 6, 2008

Engine 4 is finished and released.

Version 4:
- Esc no longer changes the camera distance
- Esc aborts unit production even without ressource supply
- Engine allows deep water
- Low-range units now move to enemies to attack them
- Changed AOE to exact Supreme Commander values
- Reduced Radar ranges by 12%
- Shield Generators can be deactivated to save energy
- Shield Generators have a constant use of energy
- Shield Generators have an increased regeneration
- Shield Generators cannot regenerate while attacked
- Shield Generators need a minum mana amount to reactivate
- Mobile Shield Generators have higher ranges (30%)
- Added Experimental Generator
- Added Experimental Artillery
- Added a Nuke Warning
- Added Overcharge ability for the Commander
- Added an ability to the Commander to change the camera
- Added an ability to the Commander display unit ranges
- Added Firing Randomness while moving
- Added a hint to supcom.btanks.net
- Added a help system
- Added timestamps to some messages
- Improved the Strategic Missile Defense
- Improved the flying arc of projectiles
- Improved performance
- Improved special effects
. Improved most of the terrains
- Fixed tree destruction for all types of trees
- Fixed a hotkey bug (Take Over)
- Fixed the little height difference for projectiles near the shore
- Fixed a damage bug for units with a high vertical collision offset
- Fixed some other bugs

Supreme Commander

Puncho · Oct 10, 2008

i was wondering, is there any way to incorporate the way u shoot the bullets and stuff into a modern-esque map? Like the way the stuff doesn't hit the mark all the time? Because i saw this a while back and now i'm wanting to use this on my zombie survival map, and i just find that to be a highly realistic way of shooting things.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Oct 13, 2008

its possible, yes, however, i dont really want to release this as a standalone system... you are allowed to use it, however, im quite sure you are unable to extract that from my map... sorry

Puncho · Oct 14, 2008

so you mean that i couldn't use it because that JASS is wired to those certain projectiles?
or the map won't let me....because i looked at it just to see what it was....some complex GUI or actual JASS....and it is unprotected.

Discohydra · Oct 29, 2008

Looks like your developing this engine very well nazgul, You should implement it into Combat Zone.

N-a-z-g-u-l · Dec 13, 2008

Supreme Commander
See the changelog there and download some other terrains.
Comment here.

Discohydra · Dec 13, 2008

You should pack all the maps into a zip and submit it to the packs section

wereguy2 · Dec 26, 2008

This map is brilliant! One of the best ones I have ever played! Keep up the great work!
5/5 +rep

Archangel_Tidusx · May 6, 2009

I personally find this map amazing! It's bug free and the ideas are amazing. terrain could use some work but overall the control is limitless. I look forward to playing this time after time. Very good work. More terrain! 5/5
aaand.. +rep

ShadowDemonLord · Sep 29, 2009

Yippie to the more sup coms! I love these maps. 5/5

deepstrasz · Aug 8, 2010

Cool, so this is made after the game: Supreme Commander ?

Sometimes the game slows especially when aircraft units are involved.

Archangel_Tidusx · Aug 9, 2010

deepblade said:
Cool, so this is made after the game: Supreme Commander ?

Sometimes the game slows especially when aircraft units are involved.

If you've played the map, why ask? It's pretty obviously made after Supreme Commander.

Otherwise that's a hell of a coincidence..

deepstrasz · Aug 9, 2010

Archangel_Tidusx said:
If you've played the map, why ask? It's pretty obviously made after Supreme Commander.

Otherwise that's a hell of a coincidence..

I've never played Supreme Commander: This map is good propaganda.

Archangel_Tidusx · Aug 14, 2010

deepblade said:
I've never played Supreme Commander: This map is good propaganda.

Indeed. About to host one on USEast. lol

77android77 · Mar 19, 2012

It's a very nice map , but were are models of all this tanks , robots , ships and planes !?!?? I WANT MODELS FROM SUPREME COMMANDER !!!! ( better from supreme commander 2) =)

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