Spring Festival

Otherknownoise · Mar 20, 2020

Cool idea

deepstrasz · Mar 20, 2020

Lol, first I thought it was, from the minimap:

Keep up the humanitarian effort China!

ZLY199377 · Mar 24, 2020

deepstrasz said:
Lol, first I thought it was, from the minimap:

Keep up the humanitarian effort China!

　　Dear foreign netizens, if my blood can make my country grow better or stronger after being dried, then I also die without regret. :psmile:

deepstrasz · Mar 24, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
　Dear foreign netizens, if my blood can make my country grow better or stronger after being dried, then I also die without regret.

Imagine if you were a panda

deepstrasz · Apr 5, 2020

A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in Use by Spring Festival | HIVE

Awaiting Update.

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MAPS IN GENERAL
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Description Guide - Maps
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A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
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If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
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ZLY199377 · Apr 6, 2020

deepstrasz said:
A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in Use by Spring Festival | HIVE

The author of the images and models used in the external manager has been acknowledged. Is there anything else to add?

deepstrasz · Apr 9, 2020

OK, everything in the game that's supposed to be text (quest log, dialog buttons) is blank, probably because it was supposed to be in Chinese.
Bilingual maps are allowed but foremost they have to be in English.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Spring Festival)

ZLY199377 · Apr 14, 2020

deepstrasz said:
OK, everything in the game that's supposed to be text (quest log, dialog buttons) is blank, probably because it was supposed to be in Chinese.
Bilingual maps are allowed but foremost they have to be in English.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Spring Festival)

　　I spent several days staying up late, not only changing the task menu and dialog box to English, but also changing the name of custom unit and skill to English. Now this map supports both English and Chinese. Please review it.

deepstrasz · Apr 20, 2020

The workers start too far from the main building. They should appear between the main building and gold mine. For me they appeared between the mine and the building.
The terrain is flat, one tiled and has ugly black boundary tiles in places. Also, there's doodad spam in many place especially the southern point of interest.
There's also stuff mostly used for aesthetics like Taverns instead of Shipyards and Goblin Laboratories very far away from the players. The issue is that the map is huge and not all players might have the same advantage.
Gold Mines should have some cover so that Acolytes won't easily be killed.
Mine guards should have biggest camp range so that towers won't be build near before attacking them. Another possible thing because of the current lower camp range is constructing a main building behind them before killing them.
Wishes should probably have a bigger cooldown. They also go out over the water where you can't use them anymore. Actually since they so few, the cooldown is OK.
It's not fair to buy a gift and not be able to spawn a unit from it because you need more food.
Another issue is that gifts appear near the hero and some other hero can steal it. They should appear in the hero inventories.
Not sure if you're supposed to get a Draenei Labourer and start building Draenei stuff. I guess the gifts should have a specific RNG list.
The issue with Draenei buildings is that you can put them over other buildings or doodads.
Hopefully, no random heroes spawn from gifts?

Well, sadly as a melee map this doesn't work because of the obvious inequalities of the layout. As an altered melee map, the changes/added material is too simple.
This serves more as aesthetics. Although I suggest making it look really nice inside too, not just on the minimap if you'd want to turn it into a Template.

Nice touch on the entertainment mode. However, it's really nothing special with the map layout not helping the gameplay. Maybe you could touch more on game modes and probably you should redesign the map/terrain better.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Spring Festival)

ZLY199377 · Apr 20, 2020

deepstrasz said:
The workers start too far from the main building. They should appear between the main building and gold mine. For me they appeared between the mine and the building.

The terrain is flat, one tiled and has ugly black boundary tiles in places. Also, there's doodad spam in many place especially the southern point of interest.

There's also stuff mostly used for aesthetics like Taverns instead of Shipyards and Goblin Laboratories very far away from the players. The issue is that the map is huge and not all players might have the same advantage.

Gold Mines should have some cover so that Acolytes won't easily be killed.

Mine guards should have biggest camp range so that towers won't be build near before attacking them. Another possible thing because of the current lower camp range is constructing a main building behind them before killing them.

Wishes should probably have a bigger cooldown. They also go out over the water where you can't use them anymore. Actually since they so few, the cooldown is OK.

It's not fair to buy a gift and not be able to spawn a unit from it because you need more food.

Another issue is that gifts appear near the hero and some other hero can steal it. They should appear in the hero inventories.

Not sure if you're supposed to get a Draenei Labourer and start building Draenei stuff. I guess the gifts should have a specific RNG list.

The issue with Draenei buildings is that you can put them over other buildings or doodads.

Hopefully, no random heroes spawn from gifts?

Well, sadly as a melee map this doesn't work because of the obvious inequalities of the layout. As an altered melee map, the changes/added material is too simple.
This serves more as aesthetics. Although I suggest making it look really nice inside too, not just on the minimap if you'd want to turn it into a Template.

Nice touch on the entertainment mode. However, it's really nothing special with the map layout not helping the gameplay. Maybe you could touch more on game modes and probably you should redesign the map/terrain better.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Spring Festival)

　　The workers are too far away from the base, because I designed the initial point of the base on the gold mine, and the location of the base was randomly assigned by the game. Because the layout of the base alone will make the "Ｘ" of the map thumbnail particularly obvious, which is ugly.

　　The flat terrain is because I designed it in the shape of "春", and the black boundary tiles are also used to set off the background of the map thumbnail.

　　The gift appears near the hero. I designed it on purpose, because it increases the fun of "stealing". For example, hidden swordsmen steal gifts.

　　Dalanell is an independent race designed by me outside of the four races, and I don't want to cover it in the buildings of the four races. To get Darnell, players need to kill the red lantern in the middle, then control the Darnell workers with the Banshee or the dark ranger, or get it from the gift by luck.

　　It is impossible to modify the terrain, because this is the original intention of my design, which is to present a word of "春".

　　If it can't be used as a melee map, can it be used as another type of map? I'll change the map classification. Can you give me approval? After all, it took me four months.

　　All the above English is translated by me with translation software, I hope to express my meaning.

deepstrasz · Apr 20, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
The flat terrain is because I designed it in the shape of "春", and the black boundary tiles are also used to set off the background of the map thumbnail.

You can have a custom made minimap so that the actual terrain looks nice.

ZLY199377 said:
Dalanell is an independent race designed by me outside of the four races, and I don't want to cover it in the buildings of the four races. To get Darnell, players need to kill the red lantern in the middle, then control the Darnell workers with the Banshee or the dark ranger, or get it from the gift by luck.

I'm talking about something else, I think?

ZLY199377 said:
　It is impossible to modify the terrain, because this is the original intention of my design, which is to present a word of "春".

It is not impossible. You just have to figure out how to properly place starting locations and whatever there is on the map. As I already wrote, you can use a custom minimap for the shape of the star and circle.

ZLY199377 said:
After all, it took me four months.

Well, sometimes the work time does not go hand in hand with the end quality result.
As a template maybe it'd work with proper editing to make the terrain nice. As a melee, it does not. As for altered melee, it's way too simple right now.
You can ask other reviewers if you're not satisfied with my comments though:
Shar Dundred
Paillan
Alexen
eubz

ZLY199377 · Apr 20, 2020

deepstrasz said:
As for altered melee, it's way too simple right now.

　　How to design, make it more complex? Make some suggestions to see if I can make any changes?

deepstrasz · Apr 20, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
How to design, make it more complex? Make some suggestions to see if I can make any changes?

Yes, look at some altered melee maps around here to get some ideas.
Basically, try thinking of fun modes and stuff.
Also try making the current one with the lamps better, balanced and such.

ZLY199377 · Apr 20, 2020

deepstrasz said:
Yes, look at some altered melee maps around here to get some ideas.
Basically, try thinking of fun modes and stuff.
Also try making the current one with the lamps better, balanced and such.

　　I think it's a big change that I've added a dalanell race to this map. The race has 11 buildings, 14 units, dozens of skills and scientific research. It's just that I've hidden them in the map, and as long as players can get the dalanell workers, they can use the dalanell clan.

　　The balance of the dalanell race was determined several times after I tested it against the other four races.

　　Because my map is encrypted, I don't know if you have found the hidden content. If you need to learn more about the hidden content of the opposite, I can give you the open source map.

　　Otherwise, I'll have to think about making another map.

deepstrasz · Apr 20, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
I think it's a big change that I've added a dalanell race to this map. The race has 11 buildings, 14 units, dozens of skills and scientific research. It's just that I've hidden them in the map, and as long as players can get the dalanell workers, they can use the dalanell clan.

That happens too late. Right now it's like an Easter egg.
I need to check the faction to see if it's not too similar to the original races.

ZLY199377 · Apr 20, 2020

deepstrasz said:
That happens too late. Right now it's like an Easter egg.
I need to check the faction to see if it's not too similar to the original races.

　　If you need open source maps, please leave your email address.

　　If not, I will focus on the next map.　：）

deepstrasz · Apr 20, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
　If you need open source maps, please leave your email address.

My e-mail is not public

It's your choice what you want to do with the map in the end.

Consider that for instance, such a map was put to Substandard because it had simple content as well:
Lantern Festival - Owl-keeping

ZLY199377 · Apr 21, 2020

deepstrasz said:
My e-mail is not public
It's your choice what you want to do with the map in the end.

Consider that for instance, such a map was put to Substandard because it had simple content as well:
Lantern Festival - Owl-keeping

　　It is right to classify it as unqualified, and it should be implemented now. :goblin_boom:

　　I don't want to change this map at the moment (Do not exclude later).

　　I'll concentrate on the next map. :grin:

　　However, when the forum holds related activities such as Spring Festival and Lantern Festival, I hope to take this map as a template. :pcry:

deepstrasz · Apr 21, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
　It is right to classify it as unqualified, and it should be implemented now.

Well, it's not about the classification. It's the quality of the map that doesn't help it.

As for template, you have to make the terrain really nice. Take a look at the template maps:
Template | HIVE
You can take inspiration and even models from this one
Aos Template 1.0
Maybe from this one too: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/data/ratory-images/119/119633-0f0ed17fff9e5dec945cf4e4b26cdc77.jpg

ZLY199377 · Apr 21, 2020

deepstrasz said:
Well, it's not about the classification. It's the quality of the map that doesn't help it.

As for template, you have to make the terrain really nice. Take a look at the template maps:
Template | HIVE
You can take inspiration and even models from this one
Aos Template 1.0
Maybe from this one too: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/data/ratory-images/119/119633-0f0ed17fff9e5dec945cf4e4b26cdc77.jpg

　　First of all, thank you for your proposal.

　　Maybe the translation software translated the meaning of my above article wrong. I mean, I want to give up this map and make a new one.

　　Otherwise so be it, give me three months. If I can come up with more content, I will update this map. Otherwise, after 3 months, it will be defined as "Substandard"! :mwahaha:

ZLY199377 · May 7, 2020

　　Sorry to have kept the map reviewers waiting.

　　I took a lot of brain tonics, but I couldn't figure out what to add to the map, so I'd better classify it as "Substandard". Because I'm currently focusing on making a new map, and it's more like "blizzard". Thank yous for your support! :grin:

deepstrasz · May 7, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
I took a lot of brain tonics, but I couldn't figure out what to add to the map, so I'd better classify it as "Substandard". Because I'm currently focusing on making a new map, and it's more like blizzard. Thank yous for your support!

Then Substandard it is.
Thanks for understanding.
You can always return to this if you ever decide to and ask for remoderation after updating.

(previous comments: Spring Festival)

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