Slashcraft 2.1.9

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Zonex · Jun 27, 2010

Some screenshots would be nice

hunalexnl · Jun 27, 2010

Zonex said:
Some screenshots would be nice

Added. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll also add a YouTube video later.

meatfactory · Jun 27, 2010

Well controls can do some work to be a little bit more sensitive when jumping for example.
Terrain was just F'in amazing! [crowd pleaser]
The idea is original and since it's not a finished map it has allot of potential.
There is some blue text next to the hp of the players you might want to change that a little bit lighter color cause it's difficult to read it out with that dark background.
I can't give any more suggestions for now cause I see in the description area what you plan to do so keep working on this.
Overall 4/5 (for now) but since it's not finished and you will update it I give it 5/5 :thumbs_up:

Dragonmawclan · Jun 27, 2010

more stages would be cool too, like a city or something

oldmilk · Jun 27, 2010

Age of Myths(an AoS) has a similar hero selection system that you want. You could contact the creator and ask for some help.

EDIT: It's not the Age of Myths on the hive. It's this one, but I don't know if this is the latest version of the map, nor do I know if you can find how to contact the creator from this. This link is just to identify the real Age of Myths map I'm talking about. http://www.epicwar.com/maps/77706/

Wazzz · Jun 28, 2010

Waa, waa, it's not finished! Waa, waa!
lol, jk, this map is looking to be one awesome project, keep it up =D

One thing I would like to know is what other characters you plan on creating (providing you're willing to give away such information, of course

). Also, even though this is just a beta, perhaps you could still add the option for choosing characters to play as anyway? I recall a demo fighter I used to play back on PS that only allowed two characters to be played, but you still got to choose them from the list anyway

Additionally, I'm guessing you haven't done the 'U' attack yet? I ask because I thought you said these were complete, yet I didn't see an attack there. It is possible that I missed something in my brief playtest, though, perhaps something like a special requirement which must be met to unlock the attack? That sounds feasable, and would explain the 'U' ('U' is for 'Ultimate' =D)

hunalexnl · Jun 28, 2010

Thanks for all the feedback so far! I've read throught them and updated the following things:
- Controls: Changed it so when you stop with your character, it automatically faces the enemy.
- Energy: Its color was changed to a lighter color.
- Ultimate: Sorry, I accidentally typed 'U' instead of 'D' in the description of the characters. Ultimate attacks can be launched with the 'D' key when your energy is at 100%.

Requests:
- More stages: Won't add any for quite a long time, maybe there will never be any others. Don't know that yet.
- Character plans: Will add them to the long description at the top.
- Character selection: Don't know how that'll look like, so that's why I haven't added it yet.

I've asked the creator of AoM how it is done, and sadly, I had to realize that I'm unable to create that system, as it requires model/animation editing. Need to figure out a different hero selection - which is nothing like the one in the previous version.

Something else I did was making the abilities somewhat faster. You don't have to wait so much between different skills.

Wazzz · Jun 28, 2010

To save you *some* time and because I love your project idea and how it looks atm, here's some suggestions on character selection options:

1) Dialog buttons could be used. These won't display the actual combatant, however, so this is not what I would call a great suggestion. Still one worth considering, though.

2) Dummy units can be used like in Azeroth Grand Prix. Basically have some abilities that flick through the Dummy Units of each character, and when they hit the 'Select' button, it chooses that fighter for them.

As for other stages, I would suggest making at least a couple.

Also, I notice you seem to have this planned out for 8 players. Perhaps allowing the players to move around as the characters they choose and then enter a 'tournament' or a 'duel' could be an idea?

Anyway, this is all big picture shit, so for now just get the character creation done and out of the way and consider your possibilities later.
Good luck =D

Tutnitweh · Jun 28, 2010

the idea is great and i hope you will go on and pls could you post concepts of heroes and stages you would like to add so we can discuss them^^!!! :grin:

hunalexnl · Jun 28, 2010

@Wazzz:
I guess you have never played the earlier version of Slashcraft. In that one, I did what you suggested (suggestion no. 2, dummy units). You had to use the arrows back then to move/select (left and right are obvious, up was used to select).
I don't want to do that again, because it seemed a bit lame - in that style. But I might simply set down all the characters and add arrows above their heads. Red for P1, blue or green for P2 (or I might just decide to use black and grey).
I think I forgot to mention that multiple heroes of the same kind will not exist in one game. If the other player chose your favorite character, then you'll have to pick a different one.

@Tutnitweh:
I've added the basic idea of heroes to the description. Other arenas won't be made for a very long time - I have no idea what they should be like + I'm too damn lazy to make the terrain (and I also suck at it).

Tutnitweh · Jun 28, 2010

good ideas i will think about the heroes and perhaps i can offer some help^^

bureaulamp · Jun 28, 2010

Played your map today and it was cool although it could use a replay function.
Also maybe a tournament option would be nice so that you can play with more than 2.

Offtopic, If your amnael you should get ur ass back on garena >.< :cute:

hunalexnl · Jun 28, 2010

bureaulamp said:
Played your map today and it was cool although it could use a replay function.
Also maybe a tournament option would be nice so that you can play with more than 2.

Offtopic, If your amnael you should get ur ass back on garena >.<

It definitely is me. ;D
There's no point in getting on Garena, as I get blue screens after playing W3 for more than 5 minutes or so... I got quite a few blue screens while testing my map too lol. To me, editing maps is more fun than actually playing. ><

I'll add several modes to the map, one of which is pretty similar to what you have suggested - so keep checking back every now and then!

gerf · Jun 28, 2010

Make Blademaster Character. Ability: Blade storm (ultimate) and Slah (basic ability). Blade storm dealing 5% damage per second last 1-3 sekond. Slah dealing 1-5% and teleport caster for short distance. It would be pretty interesting character.

hunalexnl · Jun 28, 2010

gerf said:
Make Blademaster Character. Ability: Blade storm (ultimate) and Slah (basic ability). Blade storm dealing 5% damage per second last 1-3 sekond. Slah dealing 1-5% and teleport caster for short distance. It would be pretty interesting character.

I've been thinking about the same while being under the shower. But I want the Blademaster to be a frog... Maybe the modified version of the original. And I'd also like to use this as the ultimate, but I'm not sure it'd work properly, if it wasn't added to the original model to begin with (like in Blademaster's original model).

oldmilk · Jun 28, 2010

IMO the summoner hero is a bad idea. The user either has to control each individual summon with the same key settings as their hero, or let the summons just auto attack. Either way, it's too hard for the user to use, or it defeats the purpose because all they'd have to do is summon and watch the enemy take damage.

Hero idea: Crypt Lord
-can place an exploding locust above him in the air, which explodes upon contact with the opponent and causing damage. The locust doesn't move.
-can use impale, which fires a line of spikes and launches the enemy into the air, causing damage and a short stun.

Ultimate: A earthquake spell that deals DoT to anything in an AoE around the Crypt Lord for a period of time. DoT only affects the enemy when the enemy is on the ground.

This way, when the Crypt Lord sets 1 or several locusts, the Crypt Lord's other skills have the ability to manipulate the opponent by forcing them into the air to take damage from the locusts, or making the choice of either taking damage from the earthquake or the locusts.

kidsoulex · Jun 29, 2010

oldmilk i see "elemental" summoner which summons elements like fire to fight
i gonna test this map today if im on mood

Wazzz · Jun 30, 2010

hunalexnl said:
@Wazzz:
I guess you have never played the earlier version of Slashcraft. In that one, I did what you suggested (suggestion no. 2, dummy units). You had to use the arrows back then to move/select (left and right are obvious, up was used to select).
I don't want to do that again, because it seemed a bit lame - in that style. But I might simply set down all the characters and add arrows above their heads. Red for P1, blue or green for P2 (or I might just decide to use black and grey).
I think I forgot to mention that multiple heroes of the same kind will not exist in one game. If the other player chose your favorite character, then you'll have to pick a different one.

Nope, I haven't played a previous version of this mod

Ahk, your idea is much better :3

hunalexnl · Jun 30, 2010

My idea of Elemental Summoner was this: a character that can summon stuff like a Phoenix and Water Elemental for a short time. These units don't move on their own or anything, they are simply forced to launch an attack by a trigger. They wouldn't even have the ability to attack, it's just animations and special effects. If you guys still think this is a bad idea, tell me so.

By the way, how the hell do you make that hide/show stuff that can be seen in other map descriptions? It'd be awesome if someone gave me the "code" for that or whatever... ;D

gerf · Jun 30, 2010

Summoner

All the same, summoner is not a good idea. It is better to remove the water elemental, and add any attack magic. For example a pillar of fire. Ulta and Phoenix. However, it's your choice. good luck.
PC
in the shower?) frog?) O_O

hunalexnl · Jun 30, 2010

Hell yea! A frog samurai... How awesome is that?

Btw, about that fire pillar and Phoenix stuff...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0RcGcP3OkI
Already had that... And now the map has a new fire elemental unit, so I guess there's no need for the old one.

gerf · Jul 1, 2010

Great idea!
Fire mage ability: rain of fire? Not good, sorry. Maybe u remake it to fire bolt?

intkilla · Jul 4, 2010

hey I'd recommend some abilities to the "dark character". So I think the simple attack "A" could be a regular meele hit which doesn't do much damage at first but it gives a "curse" that makes the enemy lose some hp over time.A-A could be a small ranged attack which drains some hp and adds it to your's if you manage to land a successful hit. I'm not sure what "S" should be, probably a long range shot with fairly big damage and no special stuff on it. A-S could be a skill that covers 3/4 of the place in black mist or smoke which gives cripple aura to the enemy in it. I'm thinking about the ultimate skill but I don't have any idea yet.

gerf · Jul 5, 2010

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..!!! New version!! It's coolllL!! +1 rep from cool map!

kidsoulex · Jul 6, 2010

Hmm when i played my friend made the ultimate to kill and when we reselected our heroes the ultimate still made me some damage and let me 93%...
Also the soul harvester or how its called a+s only make a life drain chain on feet and does nothing

hunalexnl · Jul 6, 2010

kidsoulex said:
Hmm when i played my friend made the ultimate to kill and when we reselected our heroes the ultimate still made me some damage and let me 93%...
Also the soul harvester or how its called a+s only make a life drain chain on feet and does nothing

I'll fix the problem with the ultimate thing, thanks for pointing it out.
Soul Harvester's A-S makes your opponent walk towards you. Your enemy has no control of his unit while doing that. This way, you can kinda force him to walk right into your ultimate ability, as that one takes quite long to complete.

SpankyDmonkey · Jul 7, 2010

Hmmm... maybe instead of the summoner summoning creatures with auto-attack/trigger-attack, make them cast some ability? Like if he summoned some ice elemental, make it so that the summoned creature would like shoot an ice bolt or do some ice-spray-like thing where if the enemy is in range/does not dodge it, it will stun, daze, or force em so that they cant jump for a bit? Then after they do their little thing they dissapear/die.

Lol and his ultimate could be like, summoning a giant dragon that just burns the crap out of the battlefield.... I like fire...

hunalexnl · Jul 10, 2010

SpankyDmonkey said:
Hmmm... maybe instead of the summoner summoning creatures with auto-attack/trigger-attack, make them cast some ability? Like if he summoned some ice elemental, make it so that the summoned creature would like shoot an ice bolt or do some ice-spray-like thing where if the enemy is in range/does not dodge it, it will stun, daze, or force em so that they cant jump for a bit? Then after they do their little thing they dissapear/die.

Lol and his ultimate could be like, summoning a giant dragon that just burns the crap out of the battlefield.... I like fire...

Yea, that's the way I imagined it as well, but actually it'd just take away abilities from other characters... And it's a bit too random as well, so guess I'll drop the idea.

By the way, does any of you guys want me to change the A-S ability of Soul Harvester? I know it's a bit lame, so if anyone of you came up with a decent idea, I'd be happy to modify it.

Lodrak · Jul 12, 2010

I suggest u make more fighting places not just one its gets boring just fighting at the one same place all the time

make a beach for a example or a forest or why not hell itself

also have u ever thought u could make that volcano (or is it a mountain?) in the background from time to time have a eruption and launch fire rocks all over the place and when the rocks hits the players it dmgs them or u could have the ship launching its cannons at the players too

also u could make a timer which ends the match after xXx seconds and have the players choice if they want to have long or short matches and obviously the one with most % hp left wins

also what about team games? for example 2 vs 2 it will still be 1 vs 1 but the ppl can swift out with their partner with t.ex button f so when one click on it one will disappear and ones team mate come out insteed

btw what about computer players couldnt u make computer players have a ai which controlls them think about it some ppl maybe wants to play against computers so for a example a dude create game offline he pick to be red and makes blue a computer(hard) and then starts game he pick a char and after that the comp picks a random char and then they fight and cuz comp is on hard mode it plays on hard mode nice right?

and u could have a dungeon mode where u have to fight throught alot of Monsters(AIs) to eventualy come to boss and fight him and win

hunalexnl · Jul 13, 2010

Lodrak said:
I suggest u make more fighting places not just one its gets boring just fighting at the one same place all the time

make a beach for a example or a forest or why not hell itself

also have u ever thought u could make that volcano (or is it a mountain?) in the background from time to time have a eruption and launch fire rocks all over the place and when the rocks hits the players it dmgs them or u could have the ship launching its cannons at the players too

also u could make a timer which ends the match after xXx seconds and have the players choice if they want to have long or short matches and obviously the one with most % hp left wins

also what about team games? for example 2 vs 2 it will still be 1 vs 1 but the ppl can swift out with their partner with t.ex button f so when one click on it one will disappear and ones team mate come out insteed

btw what about computer players couldnt u make computer players have a ai which controlls them think about it some ppl maybe wants to play against computers so for a example a dude create game offline he pick to be red and makes blue a computer(hard) and then starts game he pick a char and after that the comp picks a random char and then they fight and cuz comp is on hard mode it plays on hard mode nice right?

and u could have a dungeon mode where u have to fight throught alot of Monsters(AIs) to eventualy come to boss and fight him and win

It's pretty crazy, cuz... I thought about ALL of this actually. The main problem is that I don't see the point in this map anymore. When I host it, most people leave cuz they think it sucks. I think I'll abandon this project once more. Maybe I'll add 1 or 2 more heroes, delete the save system, and let people just have fun with a few characters... Now that I think about it, the save system isn't necessary at all.

Lodrak · Jul 13, 2010

theres always gonna be ppl who gonna like this and then there is also those who doesnt like things to be how do I say to diffirent from usual wc3 maps

this map clearly breaks the standard norm of all wc3 map and dat will say point to move system, this uses arrows which some ppl might find good or bad its all about taste

kidsoulex · Jul 13, 2010

Can you include a changelog on description?

hunalexnl · Jul 13, 2010

kidsoulex said:
Can you include a changelog on description?

No flippin idea how people make that hide/show stuff... That's why I haven't been doing it so far. But actually there are the 'what I've done', 'what I want to do' and 'what I might change' parts, which pretty much describe things that could be read in a changelog.

.mitsuki · Jul 14, 2010

This is nice, cool, and AWESOME!!!

Dj0z · Jul 14, 2010

Uhh i'm pretty sure i had commented this map before, where are my comments? Did you just re-upload it instead of updating, or something?

hunalexnl · Jul 14, 2010

Dj0z said:
Uhh i'm pretty sure i had commented this map before, where are my comments? Did you just re-upload it instead of updating, or something?

Yup, I restarted the whole map and reuploaded it. Before creating the new map, I ran through the previous one's comments to see what people would like to have in this. I remember you were really helpful back then, thanks again for that.

Bloody_Turds · Jul 14, 2010

rather than more units, it would be nice to add more abilitys, am i correct to asume that everything has a cast time? and most spells inturupt the other players cast time? because that would really increase strategy...
(should i click the fast jab, that inturupts, or the power shot that deals alot of damage, or the longer range hit, because hees likely to back up..

me and a friend were actually planning on doing a map similar to this, and i wish i still had the terrain, it was pretty nice, and i wouldnt mind giving it to you, as thats about as far as we got..

aka fast heros, strong heros.., and mixed heros

each unit should have atleast 10 skills to really maximize the games micro potential, although the tooltips should be basic and precise, and inform the user of:
Dmg
Cast time
range
Inturupts others attacks or not
any recoil effects (maybe a casting grace period after casting the spell, or self stun for .5 secs, after attack)
and lastly, any other special effect it may do, like DOT, or slowing an enemys cast rate for xx duration

You probably cant get away with much more than 10, still expecting the users to know them all, and use them effectivly.., aditionally, each skill should look differently, especially at the start of the skill, when its critical, to counter if aplicable.

and ofcourse you are aware that this game will probably never reach full potential on b.net XD

Wezthal · Jul 14, 2010

Prehaps you could use health bars instead of percentage numbers.
Like this:
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...and you could put the lives somewhere in the multiboard too, so there won't be 2 separate boards.
Oh! And you could also use floating texts or something as cool effects for combos or ultimate attacks ect.

Dj0z · Jul 14, 2010

I second the thing with floating text displaying the casted spell's name, it could be really neat. Like "Meteor Storm!" (or w/e) in red flashing above the caster's head for a second.
It could be applied only to ultimates, or have different colors for different spell importances.

tomika44 · Jul 15, 2010

nice game 4/5

Lodrak · Jul 15, 2010

hey isnt there a way to make a icon flash red u could make two instant spells which activates same effect but got two diffirent icon one red one normal

then u could simple make so when player is able to use it it will change from red to normal and vice verse until player isnt able to use it t.ex when player doesnt have enough energy/mana aka a flashing icon button

does this work?

sebascol · Jul 15, 2010

- Dialog at the beginning - I'd make it so that everyone starts as a fighter, and if you type '-spec', you'll have your lives set to 0 and participate only as a spectator for the rest of the game.

Please do, me and my friends played it and half of us got stuck as spectator, I dunno if it was a bug or something because I didn't see a choosing screen ever.

Dromlexer · Jul 15, 2010

Maybe you should need make some more stages like:
Crystal Cavern
Jungle
The Upper Tower
King's Hall
The Underground
The Jail Fortress

kidsoulex · Jul 15, 2010

Maybe you could add random events

gerf · Jul 16, 2010

kidsoulex said:
Maybe you could add random events

hm... maybe it cool. Every 1 minuts rain of fire, - 99% hp, Tsunami : permament kill) Finally this idea cool!

.mitsuki · Jul 17, 2010

add some ai?

martinxx24 · Jul 17, 2010

Awesome map. The only thing that bugs me about this map is the jumping, they jump up and levitate, an arc sort of aspect would really add some flair to the game.

Jaret · Jul 18, 2010

Well, I couldn't get to play this map cuz I couldn't go online with my Warcraft3 (And btw. it's deleted (

)) but i see from the clip it's cool looking. You definitely should add more stages. If you need help with the terrain, feel free to ask. I'll do them for y'a

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