Absolutely love the atmosphere of the map, even though it looked a tad different ingame from the editor. Using the snowstorm as a stream of bubbles is a great idea.

I get easily swayed by good-looking maps, however gameplay is more important. One of the biggest problem of this map are imo creep routes. Players have basically only one choice for the initial creep camp and that is the orange camp at the base. Other green camps don't feel like initial ones, they rather work as a follow up to the orange camp. Another thing with the orange camp (and some other camps too) is that it's situated on a higher ground level and upon going up the ramp, you aggro it. I don't mind it if it's done in small measures but this is the first camp and imo it's a bit annoying. Then there's the "big ass choke", I understand why it's there, I get that it offers the defensive advantage to one team while it also connects it to middle but these corridors always feel so forced to me. If only there was a way to maintain the flow or make it into a good initial creep route.

I enclosed some scribbles of creeproutes, propositions etc.
- white are creep routes
- teal is stuff I don't get
- yellow are proposed things, that could make the creeping in the corridor more viable

For the teal stuff, those green camps in mid top/bottom feel redundant with the lvl 1 perm. One of the team's players has possibly a worse creeping experience as he's missing that creep route to the expo.

So in conclusion, I like the map, it's pretty good, creep routes need a bit work though.

@Knecht this kind of feedback really helps! Thanks! the big ass choke (lol) part really could do something better and be part of the more smooth creeping experience. Great stuff fella!

Edit: map updated

It's possible for uncleared creep camps to join in during assaults on bases.

cleavinghammer said:

It's possible for uncleared creep camps to join in during assaults on bases.

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I'll look into this thank you for telling me. Creeps should know their proper spot!

This map is well made. Personally, I'm unfortunately no the biggest fan of the tileset, but whatever.

About the the layout, while it is definitely interesting and unusual, it might be not feel very natural, but maybe I'm wrong.

Regarding gameplay, I most of it is fine, but some itemdrops are too extreme. For example, the lvl 3 permanent from the relatively weak lvl 10 spot outisde of the base might be too strong. Generally I'd normally recommend:
-lvl 1 items for lvl 3-7 creepspots.
-lvl 2 items for lvl 8-13 creepspots.
-lvl 3 items for lvl 13-18 creepspots.
-lvl 4 items for lvl 17-22 creepspots.
-lvl 5 items for lvl 20+ creepspots.
Additional powerups, are possible, espcially for creepspots at the stronger end of the scale.

Oh yeah and if you don't mind, I'll put the map to Awaiting update because I'd rally like you to fix this. If you don't have time or don't want to change it, please say so and I might approve it anyway.

@mafe my editor kinda broke after I updated my wc3 so you can approve it as it is or not I don't mind. I'm afraid the new editor will render this map useless for older wc3 patches. Anyhow I maybe get back to it someday

Folderz said:

@mafe my editor kinda broke after I updated my wc3 so you can approve it as it is or not I don't mind. I'm afraid the new editor will render this map useless for older wc3 patches. Anyhow I maybe get back to it someday

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I really like a lot of it part may took some of this environment and atmosphere as inspiration hope to see you rework this some day.

No update in more than 3 months. Therefore map set to substandard.
However, since your editor seems to work again, please send me a message if you happen to update this map.