Matriarch

Moderator · Mar 31, 2014

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MiniMage: Work on the proportions.

MiniMage · Mar 31, 2014

The proportions look a little off.

Misha · Mar 31, 2014

I'd say, gimme more 'faceless feel' and less lich .u. make her feel more terrifying

Heinvers · Mar 31, 2014

MiniMage said:
The proportions look a little off.

Yep.

Misha said:
I'd say, gimme more 'faceless feel' and less lich .u. make her feel more terrifying

exactly my thoughts.
Nevertheless, it looks interesting

Forsaken · Mar 31, 2014

Misha said:
I'd say, gimme more 'faceless feel' and less lich .u. make her feel more terrifying

I totaly agree with Misha!
The model is really good and brings a nice feeling!

Good work!

Misha · Mar 31, 2014

hmm.. wonder if tentacles could be longer and barbed.. and maybe if one of her arms could be disfigured, morphed and barbed.. some global anims moving the tentacles independently could be cool as well (as i did on my nightmare weaver) complimenting the anims

Sin'dorei300 · Mar 31, 2014

The proportions need a bit of improvement and u could tint the tentacles to the skin color via geoset animations.

Homor · Mar 31, 2014

I could see some uses for this.

Lord_Marrowgrath · Mar 31, 2014

She looks like my girlfriend. 5/5 +rep

Heinvers · Mar 31, 2014

Lord_Marrowgrath said:
She looks like my girlfriend. 5/5 +rep

O oh 0_o LOL I guess jokes never die

Make it spit lava!!!(I'm joking)

DaHomieG · Apr 1, 2014

You should make the tentacles match her skin color. Also the arms and torso are pretty stiff.

Other than that, it's an amazing idea. 4/5 for now and +rep

Engkanto · Apr 1, 2014

i once did a newbie Azshara (naga) model like this but i was noob back then (still a noob tho). Anywayss i like the idea but i dont like the proportions, unless they're supposed to be like that. i think it's useful somehow. 3/5, i'm giving room for improvemrnt

Uncle Fester · Apr 1, 2014

MiniMage said:
The proportions look a little off.

I know, the hands are quite long, but IMO it fits in some way to an undead monstrosity that has tentacles instead of legs.

Misha said:
I'd say, gimme more 'faceless feel' and less lich .u. make her feel more terrifying

Eh?

Except the anims and the one body part i don't see all too much lich style in her....i'd even say she has more BansheeRanger than Lich stuff. :wink:

Heinvers said:
Yep.

exactly my thoughts.
Nevertheless, it looks interesting

ty

Forsaken said:
I totaly agree with Misha!
The model is really good and brings a nice feeling!

Good work!

thx a lot

Misha said:
hmm.. wonder if tentacles could be longer and barbed.. and maybe if one of her arms could be disfigured, morphed and barbed.. some global anims moving the tentacles independently could be cool as well (as i did on my nightmare weaver) complimenting the anims

I don't want to make her too much like a kraken or jellyfish.....as said, my concept was the Matriarch from Armies of Exigo, and not the faceless ones. The matriarch in this game has tentacles too, mainly on her back though, but they don't move that much. I don't want to make the tentacles move too much as she isn't a faceless or octopus creature, but an own category. :wink:

Sin'dorei300 said:
The proportions need a bit of improvement and u could tint the tentacles to the skin color via geoset animations.

well, i guess the hands should be made somewhat shorter, after so many demands about the proportions. :wink:

Yeah, that's a good idea, IMO. :thumbs_up:

Homor said:
I could see some uses for this.

I'm glad to hear that. :grin:

Lord_Marrowgrath said:
She looks like my girlfriend. 5/5 +rep

Rly??

Jk, jk.

thx a lot

Heinvers said:
O oh 0_o LOL I guess jokes never die
Make it spit lava!!!(I'm joking)

why lava and not villagers? :wink:

DaHomieG said:
You should make the tentacles match her skin color. Also the arms and torso are pretty stiff.

Other than that, it's an amazing idea. 4/5 for now and +rep

thx a lot

yeah, i think that tentacle issue should be done. :wink:

XxDizzyxX said:
i once did a newbie Azshara (naga) model like this but i was noob back then (still a noob tho). Anywayss i like the idea but i dont like the proportions, unless they're supposed to be like that. i think it's useful somehow. 3/5, i'm giving room for improvemrnt

as above: the hands will be made somewhat shorter :wink:

. Ty

Tauer · Apr 1, 2014

This is pretty cool. Very creative. If there was one thing I could say, it's that the textures don't really fit that well together. But that's the price of using ingame textures.

Also, the wrap on her back is a bit messed up.

Other than that, good work

Heinvers · Apr 1, 2014

Yes, the wrap could be improved and as Misha said the tentacles better animated(and make them a lil' longer if you deem that good).

why lava and not villagers?

Here's a better one: shoot ogres with burning clubs :wink:

Misha · Apr 1, 2014

well you got good points uncle .u. i just have this feeling that she needs something else changed.. not too sure what that would be atm :xxd:

Ujimasa Hojo · Apr 1, 2014

Cool. Maybe you could also make an Azshara model based on this.

sunshinex3 · Apr 2, 2014

looks good to me, adds some more like her. make some with out tentacles too.

TheWhiteWolf · Apr 2, 2014

Do you maybe want to make a Faceless version of this? Similar model, purple in color, but with more tentacle movement and more disfigured?

Heinvers · Apr 2, 2014

You have some small bugs on that model uncle.
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Portrait:
1. the eyes texture wrap could use more work:/
2. During the portrait talk, portrait talk 2 sequences her eyes(the round geosets) don't move and such clip through her head:/
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Main model:
1. Those tentacles look better colored that way, however during most of the animations they look like they're trying to strangle her.
2. Those Gargoyle hands look odd (I would add fists instead uncle)
3. During the walk animation, her hands look pretty stiff and forced, if you have time fix them

4. Where's the Dissipate animation?
5. The model floats too high in-game, is she flying?
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P.S I'm sorry for complaining too much

Uncle Fester · Apr 2, 2014

Tauer said:
This is pretty cool. Very creative. If there was one thing I could say, it's that the textures don't really fit that well together. But that's the price of using ingame textures.

Also, the wrap on her back is a bit messed up.

Other than that, good work

ty

O.K. I'll take a close look at here again. Thx for telling me. :thumbs_up:

Heinvers said:
Yes, the wrap could be improved and as Misha said the tentacles better animated(and make them a lil' longer if you deem that good).
Here's a better one: shoot ogres with burning clubs

Which part especially? As said, the creature is supposed to be more elvish than faceless. At first i though of animating the tentacles more, but i didn't do it coz i didn't want it to become to octopus like. It's an undead creature that hovers over the ground and not a kraken-mermaid that glides above the coral reefs. :wink:

Nice idea, but why ogres and not ghouls, zombies or gheists?. :wink:

Misha said:
well you got good points uncle .u. i just have this feeling that she needs something else changed.. not too sure what that would be atm

i agree that there might be some issues that would require minor changes, but i can't rly thing of anything bigger, unless the aim is to create a new creature. :wink:

Ujimasa Hojo said:
Cool. Maybe you could also make an Azshara model based on this.

Ty

well, i generally make undead, Troll and LOTR stuff. I am not that familiar with most Nightelf and Naga stuff. :vw_sad:

sunshinex3 said:
looks good to me, adds some more like her. make some with out tentacles too.

thx a lot

i am planning to make more Elven-Creature models. :wink:

MaTiJa97 said:
Do you maybe want to make a Faceless version of this? Similar model, purple in color, but with more tentacle movement and more disfigured?

eh....not rly. :vw_sad:

There are already some faceless creatures that come close to this, made by other modellers. I like the faceless ones, but i think there are modellers around who are better in the creation of pure faceless stuff. :wink:

Heinvers said:
You have some small bugs on that model uncle.
-----------
Portrait:
1. the eyes texture wrap could use more work:/
2. During the portrait talk, portrait talk 2 sequences her eyes(the round geosets) don't move and such clip through her head:/
-----------
Main model:
1. Those tentacles look better colored that way, however during most of the animations they look like they're trying to strangle her.
2. Those Gargoyle hands look odd (I would add fists instead uncle)
3. During the walk animation, her hands look pretty stiff and forced, if you have time fix them
4. Where's the Dissipate animation?
5. The model floats too high in-game, is she flying?
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P.S I'm sorry for complaining too much

Bugs?

Portrait:
1. the eyes with the surrounding are or the pupils in specific?
2. OK.....that clipping through the head sounds a bit strange to me. I checked out the model before uploading it for such things, but i guess another look won't hurt. :wink:

Model:
1. He? I didn't see them ever moving to her throat.... :eekani:

2: I didn't quite find anything else for the hands that rly convinced me. I know the gargoyle hands differ from modelling style from the rest of the model. Did you check it out ingames or in Magos? I can't check it out ingames unfortunately. :vw_sad:

3. the hands or the entire arms?
4. she has the same dissipate effect (+dissipate anim) as the Lich (the skull-like ghost thing that moves from the body to the air). :wink:

5. No, she's floating a bit over the ground, same height as the Lich. If you want to have her float deeper, it's most easily done in the Unit Editor of WC 3 Editor by changing the Movement Height. But be warned: making her float deeper might cause the bottoms of her tentacles to clip into the ground when the bottom is uneven. :wink:

It's OK, actually i am glad that you point these things out, so that i can fix them before the model gets used in a map or campaign that's uploaded @ the Hive. :thumbs_up:

Misha · Apr 2, 2014

let's see.. why don't you try crypt fiend hands/arms, giving her wider hips to better work with tentacles, but also the better waist and torso, to reskin the tentacles with crypt-fiend texture and maybe try something with the mouth or other flesh-bits on the cryptfiend texture for the underside of the tentacles? also to replace lich texture with something with a darker feel.. don't be afraid to rummage through campaign or UI textures

Splub · Apr 4, 2014

I really like this. Good job.

MiniMage · Apr 4, 2014

I'd say the biggest issue for me is that the head just does not fit with that body.
The body is too long. Thus, either make her head bigger/taller. Or make the lichbody shorter.

Uncle Fester · Apr 4, 2014

Misha said:
let's see.. why don't you try crypt fiend hands/arms, giving her wider hips to better work with tentacles, but also the better waist and torso, to reskin the tentacles with crypt-fiend texture and maybe try something with the mouth or other flesh-bits on the cryptfiend texture for the underside of the tentacles? also to replace lich texture with something with a darker feel.. don't be afraid to rummage through campaign or UI textures

While making it, i thought of using the cryptfiend hands/fingers, but the problem is that they would require additional animation to look good and i also wanted to have a model that's half undead elf and half faceless. Putting more crypt/nerubian influences would make it look like a criss-crossed-hybrid from many races, which was not my intention on this one. Some of my future Doom Elves (undead elves) will have such influences too. :wink:

Some of the UI textures are already reserved for my next doom elf models. :wink:

Splub said:
I really like this. Good job.

ty

MiniMage said:
I'd say the biggest issue for me is that the head just does not fit with that body.
The body is too long. Thus, either make her head bigger/taller. Or make the lichbody shorter.

Rly? Is the head so much smaller? For me it seems O.K. from the size..... :eekani:

animewidri2 · Apr 15, 2014

I like this!

Bloody Wolf · Apr 17, 2014

godamnit fester stop being amazing

Uncle Fester · Apr 29, 2014

animewidri2 said:
I like this!

thx

i am glad u like it

Bloody Wolf said:
godamnit fester stop being amazing

so, should i make cheap, low-quality stuff again? :wink:

Heinvers · Apr 29, 2014

Uncle Fester said:
should i make cheap, low-quality stuff again?

NOOOOOO, be amazing as you are right now :wink:

Uncle Fester · Apr 30, 2014

Heinvers said:
NOOOOOO, be amazing as you are right now

ty

oOmassOo · May 2, 2014

I really like her. I hope i could use her in my map! :vw_wtf:

Uncle Fester · May 2, 2014

oOmassOo said:
I really like her. I hope i could use her in my map!

ty

you can freely use her wherever and for whatever you want..... :wink:

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