Here comes the Pain

it goes against every cell of my body to be agree with smasher
but he is rigth

look i saw your map, and for a first melee is very good work.
if you put 2 players more in the empty corners (4 player) map
and
put 4 gold mines in the center (you have space)

it will be a very good 4 player map

you can do then the minor changes like better the creeps, expand a little the terrain of the original bases, and bla bla bla

but very good for a first melee.. keep working , you are at two steps for a good melee


edit: original bases size is fine for me, AI works good and i like to have small bases, easy to defend

Dude. Too much Creeps and too big for 1v1 map. Also, one glance I can see the terrain is not symmetrical, work on that. This tutorial may help you. And keep in mind, that after level 5, heroes do NOT level up from creeps anymore. And one thing, ladder melee maps DO NOT GUARD THE TAVERN. I learned that from experience and confirmed in -Kobas-'s tutorial. Kudos and voting for : Pending

Thanks for the comment guys. Will improve the map!

Decent terrain. It looked better in game than in WE. Creeps were fine, I had no problem hitting one camp after another. Maybe it was a little big but that didn't bother me. For some reason I got 5 pendant's of vitality. I know the item table is not set wrong but it was wierd. Anyway, there should be more items and 100% chance on some creeps and 0% on others. 1 item per camp except for red camps them maybe 2. This map is a little flat, the lines are all a bit straight (rivers and walls). Too many doodads, which is not really bad just sort of distracting. I like the map and its a bit professional for a first map. Is this really your first? Its good. I would try to add some feature or theme to make it tell a story or come alive a little more. Balanced, fun, and playable! 4/5

Legal_Ease said:

Decent terrain. It looked better in game than in WE. Creeps were fine, I had no problem hitting one camp after another. Maybe it was a little big but that didn't bother me. For some reason I got 5 pendant's of vitality. I know the item table is not set wrong but it was wierd. Anyway, there should be more items and 100% chance on some creeps and 0% on others. 1 item per camp except for red camps them maybe 2. This map is a little flat, the lines are all a bit straight (rivers and walls). Too many doodads, which is not really bad just sort of distracting. I like the map and its a bit professional for a first map. Is this really your first? Its good. I would try to add some feature or theme to make it tell a story or come alive a little more. Balanced, fun, and playable! 4/5

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Thanks! Will still try to improve this due to some imbalances in it.

Smasher has already pointed out most of the flaws but I can just suggest some things here.

- Try making the temple a bit more symmetric. The hallways towards the red player is much more shorter giving a kind of advantage to the player there.
- Try reducing the number of doodads in that temple (or whatever you call it). I think that's too much doodads placed there.
- The rocks you placed near the starting points prevents me from placing my buildings properly. My base was really spread out when I finished the game. I suggest removing those since its a hindrance in making a base.
- Every one of the creeps has a chance to drop an item. Which I think is too much. Especially for a two player.
- There's some parts of the water that are shaped like squares/rectangles. I'm guessing that the brush you used for making the shallow/deep water was too small and it ended up like that. I suggest you fix those too since It kinda affects the beauty of the terrain.

Anyway, this is a pretty decent map with only a few flaws so you get a 3/5 from me.

BTW, Why dose the neutral buildings drop items? I don't think players will be able to kill those buildings.

Update might be late because due to being busy but I will really do improve this so no worries.

Sorry for the Double but just a question so everyone can see, do you think this is good for more than 1v1? Because I tested it 4 players and AIs concentrates morely on attacking other bases than creeping, leveling up and such.....

Hell_Master said:

Sorry for the Double but just a question so everyone can see, do you think this is good for more than 1v1? Because I tested it 4 players and AIs concentrates morely on attacking other bases than creeping, leveling up and such.....

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yeah adding 2 more players would be nice

OK, would be updating the map later. If possible guys, test it again and change ratings

I cant really take that 2.5/5...lol! XD Maybe I'll make it better so the flow of things will change.

If map becomes better and rating will become - Master Yoda.

Anyway for me it is bad, but at least you have started created, work and it must be better.

Any suggestions, bro

Well nothing that they havent told allread, okey maybe some more doodads, like destroyed ships or such things.

Will do, should I put it in the land parts or in water parts? But in water parts, there is not much space and it looks awkward in small rivers.

Updated to v1.1:

• Map is now 4 player due to some requests
• Reduced creeps in the map
• Removed some unecessary doodads in the Player Bases and also in the Temple
• Gold Mines has 30000 gold stored in it due to no expansions in the map
• Fixed a bug that prevents heroes on leveling beyond 5

Hell_Master said:

Updated to v1.1:

• Map is now 4 player due to some requests
• Reduced creeps in the map
• Removed some unecessary doodads in the Player Bases and also in the Temple
• Gold Mines has 30000 gold stored in it due to no expansions in the map
• Fixed a bug that prevents heroes on leveling beyond 5

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Lol its not bug it should be like that lolol
now its not meele anymore

Yeah because I changed Gold Mines stored Gold 30000 lol! But that is the only way to make it.... I guess.

Hell_Master said:

Yeah because I changed Gold Mines stored Gold 30000 lol! But that is the only way to make it.... I guess.

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I mean hero not leveling past 5 is normal
they wont get exp from neutrals but will get from player killing

you can put 4 gold mines where you put the goblins and the merc camps, and those you can place it in other zone, like in the corners of the cross out side

and you will expand the game play.
even my first melee the ship of doom has gold mines to expand, you can do it

-SmaSHeR- said:

Lol its not bug it should be like that lolol
now its not meele anymore

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Dude its still classed as melee he just had to change the colour of a doodad or change anything like that in object editor besides units which makes it think its altered. There are no gameplay changes so its melee

you can change the color of some doodas to green, go to objets,,graphic color*normal doodad red doodadcolor 1 255 color 1 255color 2 255 color 2 100color 3 255 color 3 100you can change the color to green blue red whateverits easy, i learned that from a map i did the reviewi only know how to change to red because im working on red map.adn yea 4 player map, some gold mines in the center or that stuff and it will be interesting with not much work, and it will work as team map or FFA

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Oh yeah got it, abgm! =D

Melee map looks good. 4/5! Just add some expansions, players cannot build much in the bases, you know....

Don't take it wrong, but the minimap.. doesn't really make me want to play it
minimap is the first impact with a melee map, a nice one will make players want to download it, at least

map sucks ew! what is this? -2/5

You need to work on map symmetry. That's most important in melee maps.

Seems quite good for a first melee
But the previews image is strange with that cross becuase its bit more to the left than in the centre

Will fix that, I cant seem to balanced it but I will be fixing it.

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Finally played it! Sorry it took a while for me to write this review. First off, there's this usual errors for melee maps, the boundaries around the map be sure not to fill the map around with trees otherwise once these trees are cut down, its gonna make an awkward wall of black trees, I'd replace this with water or cliffs.

The lack of depth on terrain feels plain and empty, though I like the fog implementation. The creeps are just right though would you kindly fix their position, its weird to think that they face backwards. Lacking of goldmine expansions doesn't provide much thinking and would eventually lead people to 'turtling' up and won't provide much thinking.

There are plenty of issues in this map I suggest take your time and try to do different tricks, you never know what you could do.

This is pretty mediocre map but good enough for first time melee makers.
Rating this 2.5/5, PM me if you want me to review this again.

Thank you Ken-E for the review even with this busy times, you still give minutes of your time to review. Will do improve this but I cannot be sure that it will be updated easily because... you know School days... lol!

Hell_Master said:

Thank you Ken-E for the review even with this busy times, you still give minutes of your time to review. Will do improve this but I cannot be sure that it will be updated easily because... you know School days... lol!

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Right back at you friend! School days a bitch...

This melee map... damn its a disaster(just talking about the map symmetry).

Well Ken-E covered most of the stuffs that you should improve well I just hope that you do improve this map.

Not bad.

Comment

Nice map, description is gr8, but needs screenshots. (screens are very important)
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Rating:
4/5

Terrain

Terrain is very good, neat terrain
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Rating:
5/5

Gameplay

A regular melee map, but player 2 start location is to far, bring it closer to the gold mine
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Rating:
4/5

Final Rating:

Terrain:4/5
Gameplay:4/5
Comment:5/5

FINAL RATING:
5/5

Suggestions
-Fix player 2 start location
-Add some screenshots

GIFT
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Quite asymmetrical and loot is scarce.
The Gold Mines that have the Starting Locations are not guarded (we're talking about 30k gold there).