This is a map with great potential. The biggest problem has nothing to do with game design, but with the state of Warcraft 3.



Very few people play it. Few people will play your map properly because of this. Sunken city, one of the most downloaded and popular maps on the website also has this problem...and it's a very polished and beloved map!

The answer is obvious, make it playable with 2 players minimum. However this is up to you.

For the map:

1) some camera controls are always appreciated.
2)More items of course. If you don't want to do this, maybe give players 1 starting item they could choose.

Can't really say anything that isn't obvious. Just add more stuff as you see fit. Seeing that there are a few amazing W3 dungeon crawlers you can get inspired by those!

Anyway, glad new W3 maps are still being made!

robizeratul said:

This is a map with great potential. The biggest problem has nothing to do with game design, but with the state of Warcraft 3.



Very few people play it. Few people will play your map properly because of this. Sunken city, one of the most downloaded and popular maps on the website also has this problem...and it's a very polished and beloved map!

The answer is obvious, make it playable with 2 players minimum. However this is up to you.

For the map:

1) some camera controls are always appreciated.
2)More items of course. If you don't want to do this, maybe give players 1 starting item they could choose.

Can't really say anything that isn't obvious. Just add more stuff as you see fit. Seeing that there are a few amazing W3 dungeon crawlers you can get inspired by those!

Anyway, glad new W3 maps are still being made!

Click to expand...

I added functionality for 1-4 players. There will still be 4 heroes but you can control multiple at the same time. I do agree with the minimal player base of WC3 but the nature of the holy trinity and bosses falls apart at low player counts, even with 4 people there are a lot of mechanics I simply cannot make. I think multiple unit control is the best this map will offer in that front. As for your other ideas I will take them to heart and work on adding further item to the game, I have been toying with the idea of item recipes and a shop in the main hub but we will see. Thanks for the review!

1. Some heroes don't have glow. You could add it to them: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
2. Spells are pretty much Warcraft III's.
3. Terrain could use more love. Also, the minimap would look nicer uncharted.
4. You mostly kill units on the map but it's somewhat a hasty dungeon crawler. The downside is, the bosses kind of kill you in one shot with their spells.
5. Items are quite scarce.

Overall, it's a good map for those fans of the genre.

Approved.

=============================================

Always check/recheck the Map Submission Rules! (Map Submission Rules)

To make your work run smoother, fix the so called leaks: Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

If you want more reviews, come here:
The Grand Review Exchange!

A dungeon crawler. Im excited to play it. I'm making one too, because i love how much fun they are with friends.

I got together with 2 friends to try and play it on Easy with only 3 heroes. My only complaint would be that the final boss was a bit of a brick wall, in a bad way. We spent an hour on it boss, wiping to his silence ability, and we just did not have the raw auto-attack dps to beat it even if we got into the phase with all heroes at full HP. Robbing you of your toolkit as the final climax battle just wasn't very fun, and it's a shame that the map would end on such a note.

Other than that, the ~2 hours we spent getting to the last boss was great fun.

DrunkenDirt said:

I got together with 2 friends to try and play it on Easy with only 3 heroes. My only complaint would be that the final boss was a bit of a brick wall, in a bad way. We spent an hour on it boss, wiping to his silence ability, and we just did not have the raw auto-attack dps to beat it even if we got into the phase with all heroes at full HP. Robbing you of your toolkit as the final climax battle just wasn't very fun, and it's a shame that the map would end on such a note.

Other than that, the ~2 hours we spent getting to the last boss was great fun.

Click to expand...

Glad to hear you enjoyed the map!
As for the mass silence of the last boss do not forget there are abilities and items that make you invulnerable so you wont get affected by the cast. The debuff applied by the cast is also dispellable by items and units

That being said frustration over unfairness is not something I want players to feel regardless. The ability could be a misinformation issue as well as a difficulty spike. I will look at the ability both in the fight and dungeon journal to see if more info can be given to prevent frustration or if further tuning needs to be done.

Thanks for the feedback!

Now that you mention it, I tried to use the invulnerability staff, but it seemed to stop working during the second phase of the fight. At the time I figured it was intentional because you wanted to force the silence, but by the way you put it, that might have been a bug in that case? I might have been mistaken though, the fight is pretty hectic after all, but I could have sworn it didn't active.

As for dispells, I think we got stuck with a comp that didn't have any through abilities, but that's the fate of playing 3 heroes I suppose

EDIT: Oh yeah, while I'm at it, I wanted to mention another minor bug with the map. We tried to start it in 3-player mode, with one player in the purple slot, leaving the teal one empty, however that left the player in purple with no wisp to choose a hero. It's a minor thing, and it was solved when we restarted and put the player in the teal spot instead, but it'd be a nice thing to change for all the purple-lovers out there.

I just wanted to give an update on some of the changes in 1.3 and moving forward.

First off, why the weird tuning throughout 1.2 and again in 1.3?
During testing/playing of 1.2 I kept finding issues with the design and feel of several classes. The classes felt under-performing or just had large down time in general which led to a small, iterative design to get them more in line with the others. During this tuning, I had several people point out larger design flaws in several classes such as the Drudgelock and Mage. I decided to bite the bullet and do the time intensive math/individual testing to see how each class stacks up in each tier of the game and found some drastic imbalances on top of some glaring issues I had been wanting to fix in general. In all, the widespread changes are a measure to narrow the potential dps gaps of various compositions and bring caster play more on par with the physical attackers. The Mage and Drudgelock should be more engaging and rewarding to play, with better visual effects and a rebalance of their abilities.
In all, I believe that the state of the map is now the best it has been which leads me to my second point.

Moving forward:
I love working in this quirky weird engine making strange, challenging coop experiences for a handful of people to (I hope) enjoy. So with Warcraft Reforged coming out I knew I need to bring my best creations forward (the very few I still consider decent). While I still have a lot of ideas for updates and even future maps in this style, I feel it is wasted working on it until we have Reforged in our hands. Custom models and Sfx are almost required in many places now. So moving forward I am planning no future updates for this map until Reforged (unless some big breaking bug requires a fast patch) but cant wait to get this thing running on the remaster as fast as I can!

See you with the release day update!

Version 2 is coming with Reforged and will have a new difficulty mode as well as a bunch of tweaks and updates. The current state of Reforged broke a lot of models, scaling, sounds, etc. so I am going back and re-mastering the map to be crisp for the new version. I am hopeful to have it up by the end of the month and will link to it here once it is uploaded. If you plan on playing classic I will not override this map and it will stay as is.