Grim Batol

Moderator · Sep 16, 2014

20:42, 11th Nov 2014
StoPCampinGn00b: Map approved, I've opened the map and I've checked off all the map submission rules that apply to melee maps.

NOTE: I have given no rating nor review to melee maps with user ratings and/or feedback today so I have time to get the other maps that require more inspection. If you desire a review, feel free to ask; you may catch me unbusy.

Deleted member 238589 · Sep 16, 2014

Oh, not bad. It needs more tile variation in a few locations, but overall, it's good

Vinz · Sep 16, 2014

^Either that, or more doodads. The place looks so clean!

Bases have adequate space. Though Night Elf AIs might have a difficulty (most of the time they're the crazy pathing victims).

Shadow Fury · Sep 16, 2014

A good and bad melee map in the same moment. Here is why I think it's bad:-

BAD POINTS:-
- What I noticed immediately from the screenshot and by having a quick look at the map is that it lacks of tile variation. The central part is mostly made of Black Marble and there are almost no signs of White Marble (except at the Ogres). Then, there aren't enough doodads to enhance the theme
- Some creeps do not fit this kind of theme. I would never imagine an ogre or a dragonspawn to be inside a dungeon-like mountain (that's why they are not in the Dungeon neutral creeps)
- The two fountains at the bottom are too unbalanced. One fountain is approriate, but two (one of health and one of mana) would create real unbalance. I can go and restore completely health and mana to my units. Not good
- The bridge at the bottom is too restricted! It's a too tiny area to pass or to fight in
- Computers cannot destroy gates and this gives me a super-advantage. They cannot have a quick access outside their base and cannot ambush mine as simply as I would ambush their
- Item drops aren't perfect. I found out that the faceless ones at the fountains drop two power-ups which is wrong. One power-up would be enough but it would be unfitting. Most tend to heal, resurrect or restore mana but those are totally useless beside two fountains which already heal, restore mana and grant my army greater vitality. Not only this, a level 6 creep cannot be dropping a level 1 item. It's too underpowered for such a creep

SUGGESTIONS:-
- More tile variation. Put more White Marble in places like the fountains and the tavern plus some Dungeon Square Tiles (Gray) on all that Dalaran Ruin Square Tiles (Purplish). More dungeon doodads like skull piles, remains scorched, skull on sticks, cage trashed, head on spear etc...
- The closed gates should be open by setting their HP to 0 as you did with the secondary ones
- Replace the ogres with Revenants, they suit more the theme. And for the dragonspawn, you can replace it with a Salamander, it's also level 5
- Only one fountain can remain at the bottom. Either the mana or health one, not both
- Fix the item drops. No power-up items drop right there and no level 1 items. Something like a random level 3 charged/permanent item seems good

OVERALL RESULT
Overall the map needs some more improvements. For me, it gets 2.5/5, a rating of 3 and I will AWAIT UPDATE!

Filmting · Sep 16, 2014

Oh hive u so funny. I can't even be arsed to respond to your sillyness.

Shadow Fury · Sep 17, 2014

abgm said:
@Shadow Fury

"I would never imagine an ogre or a dragonspawn to be inside a dungeon-like mountain (that's why they are not in the Dungeon neutral creeps)"

actually the orges of burning blade clan destroyed grim batol in warcraft 2
and there are dragon whelps and raptors near grim batol pre cataclysm

so i think is accurate, you have to consider that this is a dungeon near wetlands, so dungeon creeps wont fit.

i am agree with the other stuff

Oh ok didn't know about that. About Warcraft 2 I have 0 knowledge.

Arrr · Sep 17, 2014

I am no fan of 1way entrance to the goldmines
I find the elevated fountains area is too easy to turtle, but considering the difficulty of the creepcamp (mainly because of the limited ramp witdth), feels balanced
Rest looks fine to me

rcshaggy · Sep 17, 2014

So you based a map on the Catacyslm dungeon?
I enjoyed that dungeon when I got to it, and still it would be nice if other people actually made the other dungeons into maps.

kakuzu · Sep 21, 2014

Nice map, the idea is cool and the terrain well made.

UrijelV · Oct 11, 2014

Nice little map, appreciate that the gold mine isn't too easy to get, for me two mercenary camps are too much on a small map like this one.

The fountain location isn't too OP (disregarding creeps which I like) as it's not close to your base/expo meaning if either of those get attacked you have to walk/tele there.

Eagle XI · Nov 12, 2014

The 'backdoor' cavern has too narrow chokepoints, its seems very easy to air-blockade your opponent.
'Super-fountain'-duo like the one you just put down are generally considered an very bad idea.
You may want to install a 'no-fly zone' over the huge lavapit in the middle, keep in mind that ( mass of deepwater = possible unretaliated air attack/harass ), inspecially in such a central location. Could be in the form of applying damage over time to any flyer within the area because excessive heat, etc.

Nemesis_ · Nov 2, 2015

The terrain in the central part of map looks quite empty(correct word?) but it definitely looks good. Nice map overall.

quasio · Jan 4, 2024

Guess where I spent my years after classic WC3? Cough WoW...

I do like this map, but considering playability it would need either 2x more gold mines or increased amount of gold. And I wouldn't mind more creeps. Good effort!

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