1. You should rather write with white or some other colour on the loading screen for ease of reading...
2. Maybe not use models with hero glow on units to avoid confusion and have their bodies not decay.
3. How do you put the camera back up? Some written commands in the Quest Log would be useful.
4. After the inro, the camera should apply to the current player's main base.

Approved.

deepstrasz said:

1. You should rather write with white or some other colour on the loading screen for ease of reading...
2. Maybe not use models with hero glow on units to avoid confusion and have their bodies not decay.
3. How do you put the camera back up? Some written commands in the Quest Log would be useful.
4. After the inro, the camera should apply to the current player's main base.

Approved.

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1. Originally used white text, didn't like it, tried a couple of others and settled on this one. Point noted though and will see if I can find another colour.
2. Any specific units you had in mind?
3. I deleted the command quest in F9 by mistake, will put it back up for next version.
4. Will do.

Krotos said:

2. Any specific units you had in mind?

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I don't remember the names but you can see them if you run the map, they're pretty obvious. I think they're some female elf mages or something and maybe others too.

deepstrasz said:

I don't remember the names but you can see them if you run the map, they're pretty obvious. I think they're some female elf mages or something and maybe others too.

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Aight, if I recall right the unit in question would be the Alchemist. I found a nice replacement model on Hive so that'll get taken care of. There are a couple of unique named units on the map that are named and they're meant to have hero glow as they fall under the demi-hero category.

I cannot play this multiplayer (BANNED), so this is just me looking into it on single player.
1)I really really like the map design, and the terrain is so nice!
2)Why is the entrance to the majority of the troll camps connected to both the Undead and The elves at the start



I could understand if the the elves/undead could only connect with each other at the end of the troll lands (so that they would be racing to farm the creeps, like in SoQ), but by connecting them at the entrance of the troll lanes, would it not make neither side want to take the initiative/be aggressive to kill the trolls, since both could be ambushed by the other since the entrance is connected to both UD/Elf forces.

3)What is the point of bases like these:





The Elf heroes do not have teleport abilities (at least Sylvanas), and only have a one-shot TP back to Farstrider base.
In SoQ, almost none of the small elf bases were dead ends (so there was a chance of retreat), and even ones that were dead ends, like Wind-runner Spire, could be teleported out of by the heroes. Just wanted to know if Elf players will ever try to defend these bases.

tulee said:

I cannot play this multiplayer (BANNED), so this is just me looking into it on single player.
1)I really really like the map design, and the terrain is so nice!
2)Why is the entrance to the majority of the troll camps connected to both the Undead and The elves at the start

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I could understand if the the elves/undead could only connect with each other at the end of the troll lands (so that they would be racing to farm the creeps, like in SoQ), but by connecting them at the entrance of the troll lanes, would it not make neither side want to take the initiative/be aggressive to kill the trolls, since both could be ambushed by the other since the entrance is connected to both UD/Elf forces.

3)What is the point of bases like these:

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The Elf heroes do not have teleport abilities (at least Sylvanas), and only have a one-shot TP back to Farstrider base.
In SoQ, almost none of the small elf bases were dead ends (so there was a chance of retreat), and even ones that were dead ends, like Wind-runner Spire, could be teleported out of by the heroes. Just wanted to know if Elf players will ever try to defend these bases.

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2. The trolls act primarily as a roadblock for the Undead they have to fight through to reach the eastern pathway into the elven lands. The elves also have an easier time accessing the trolls than the Undead do as they don't have to fight the gates like the Undead do (there's currently a bug where you can walk around the gates that I'll fix as it has to do with pathing).
3. Windrunner Village/Spire and Suncrown Village are hard to defend as they're the 2 bases that offer Undead huge rewards: the Undead unlock naval units with destruction of the village, a global 200 HP boost with destruction of the Spire and an extra hero + tunnel for Nerubians with destruction of Suncrown. Attacking these villages leaves the Scourge vulnerable to flanking from the other Elven players. Elves can also reinforce these 2 villages through naval transports as DG and OJ have access to transport ships from minute 0. Teal is also able to reinforce any base he wants with Belo'vir's teleport spell. He can also support the other Elves with spells from the Sunwell.

In other words: Yeah, they will as they have a fair share of tools to keep these defended.

Hey, tried the map a little with my little brother and we would like to see more of it. However, a few minutes into the game and it crashes to desktop. A brief google-search results in the probability that this occurs due to the 1.30 patch. Hereby an heads-up, because if it is, the mapmaker is the only one who can fix it.

Blaecar said:

Hey, tried the map a little with my little brother and we would like to see more of it. However, a few minutes into the game and it crashes to desktop. A brief google-search results in the probability that this occurs due to the 1.30 patch. Hereby an heads-up, because if it is, the mapmaker is the only one who can fix it.

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When exactly does it crash? Did anything specific happen that caused it?

Krotos said:

When exactly does it crash? Did anything specific happen that caused it?

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We start up the game, everything works as it should be. We start playing and it works for 5-10 minutes perfectly. No lag or anything. Then it suddenly just crashes, no error-messages/crash reports. As if you alt+F4 the game.

New version is out! Here's the changelog: Fall of Quel'thalas 1.1d

Krotos said:

New version is out! Here's the changelog: Fall of Quel'thalas 1.1d

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Very pog momento

@Timoren check it out is cool fr.

Found a few issues that need ironing out so will be working on a new version this week.

Can't work on Normal Warcraft 3?

Chiron said:

Can't work on Normal Warcraft 3?

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Works in both modes. I don't understand what "Normal Warcraft 3" means in this context as - like I said - the map works in SD and HD mode.

Map updated with latest fixes! Changelog's here: Fall of Quel'thalas 1.11d

deepstrasz said:

1. You should rather write with white or some other colour on the loading screen for ease of reading...
2. Maybe not use models with hero glow on units to avoid confusion and have their bodies not decay.
3. How do you put the camera back up? Some written commands in the Quest Log would be useful.
4. After the inro, the camera should apply to the current player's main base.

Approved.

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Changes listed here have been applied.

New version is up. Changelog is here: Fall of Quel'thalas 1.12d

Another quick update with fixes and a small balance change. Changelog is here: Fall of Quel'thalas 1.13d

One more update for tonight. Changelog is here: Fall of Quel'thalas 1.14d

Hi, it's seems you use my High Elven Archer 2nd skin (not her Hippogryph but I'm not dislinking that hehe), but I noticed I did forgot the icon! So I finally added it. (what did you use instead?)

Is it possible to stop the troll attacks? In one playthrough I managed to clear out all the animals and Zul'jin, but the spawns continued and the temple stayed invulnerable.

Shades still cost lumber in demon buildings, so they can't be trained.
Infernal doesn't use upgrades like the tooltip says.

In one playthrough (as Arthas' undead), one of the Windrunners sisters came back as a Forsaken and started attacking the demons in Arthas' base, who fought back, and since both were allied I couldn't do anything.

"can't attack allies" applies to neutral critters as well.

Got a crash on a playthrough as the Trollhunter elves. No idea why since it was relatively early in the game (although the program had been running for a while), all the other times I played on the undead side there were no such problems.

I would suggest that if a player is not present, their units get basic Attack-move orders if not their own spawns (for example, that one place in the north that turns into an undead base with a bunch of voidwalkers/Kel'Thuzad after revival that just sit there until the end of the game without a player).

Got another crash, as Trollhunters still, though this time it lasted longer (the fact that I was in single player with all other slots as AI might be behind it).

For some reason there was a banshee archer that belonged to the Silvermoon AI (See Sylvanas? It is possible to become a banshee without turning evil. What's your excuse now?).

Some buildings are Ancients and not buildings (the destroyed Goldenmist village, the spire in the undead base) and so can't be attacked.

Elf AI forces don't go all the way into the undead base, just to the entrance in reach of the towers. If there's nothing attacking them, they turn back. Same with the trolls, they go a little further past the secondary base but then turn back, and the elves attacking the nerubians. This creates a huge blob of units going back and forth, maybe put a limiter in the spawns?

Mana Walkers/Wraiths are amphibious, this should be mentioned in their tooltips. Wraiths also have Abolish Magic but no mana.

Why can't the undead build (non-AI) ships?

Had the "rebellious windrunner" thing happen for all three of them. Maybe it's because they were killed by spawns?

Windrunner Necklace should fuse when you have all 3.

Dark rangers appear at Red's base on creation but are mutually hostile with red. Which makes sense, but means they don't survive long enough to keep playing (I had to hide in the demon base since they stay neutral). Once that happened I was neutral/allied to both sides except red, purple, and yellow's attack waves.

Killing all the spawning pits/unique buildings should trigger victory for the elves.

Maybe have a rebuilding mechanic where killing an undead-conquered building lets you rebuild it as it was.

Instead of just winning/losing when the timer runs out, maybe have a cinematic where the Sunwell finishes charging a spell and hits every undead unit with concentrated sunlight, it's a better justification than "the elves will be too powerful after an hour".

"Remember to build income buildings" message should check if the player has, in fact, built them, and stop showing up one they've all been constructed.

Got another crash, as demons this time. Didn't have every slot filled, but I wonder if having orange is the problem.